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Laura1982
Posts: 81
Eaton, Ohio, US


Since I have always worked with an agency before and worked with photogs I knew, I'm not sure what the rules are or how to make sure I'm going to a safe location when responding to casting calls. Any advice would be appreciated.
Jan 02 13 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


Laura1982 wrote:
Since I have always worked with an agency before and worked with photogs I knew, I'm not sure what the rules are or how to make sure I'm going to a safe location when responding to casting calls. Any advice would be appreciated.

Hi Laura

Read all the 'sticky' posts in the Newbie and Modelling forums.

Plus - somebody will be along shortly to post lots of useful links for you here. smile

Drew

Jan 02 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,154
Pleasant Hill, California, US


use common sense.
check references.
let someone know where you're going, and what time you expect to be back.
Jan 02 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JLC Images
Posts: 11,559
Phillipsburg, New Jersey, US


Paolo Diavolo wrote:
use common sense.
check references.
let someone know where you're going, and what time you expect to be back.

+1

Also, if you feel uncomfortable or are asked to do something you dont want to say so.  If they persist or you don't feel safe LEAVE immediately.

Jan 02 13 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,439
Paris, Île-de-France, France


You can never be 100% sure of anything with strangers. Ask what you need to and go with your instinct.

Don't go anywhere if this is telling you not to.


It's ultra important that you can feel the sincerity before engaging in a project.

Often the photographers portfolio already says a lot. Then look to the sort of models in the pictures. Follow along those threads, ask models if you are still not convinced.

Good luck with it. Most of the many thousands of photographers here are good people, voyeurs though as all are, ready to play their part as well as you should be.
Jan 02 13 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The F-Stop
Posts: 1,423
New York, New York, US


Bring an escort!

If anyone has a problem with that then leave.
Jan 02 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,076
Orlando, Florida, US


Neil Snape wrote:
You can never be 100% sure of anything with strangers.

Or people that you know, for that matter.

Jan 02 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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J Kegley Photographer
Posts: 486
Renton, Washington, US


Communications is the key.  Sometime a model and the photographer just don't hit it off. It happens. Sometimes it is a match made in heaven.  If you feel comfortable with your communications with the photographer, do as others say. Check references.  Any model I have ever worked with will gladly give you a reference.

Know where you will be shooting, when and when you expect to be done. and let everyone know and the name of the photographer.  Should go smoothly if you follow those instructions.  As a photographer, I second the notion, if it feels wrong, leave immediately.  You can have regrets later.
Jan 02 13 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,832
Portland, Oregon, US


Laura1982 wrote:
Since I have always worked with an agency before and worked with photogs I knew, I'm not sure what the rules are or how to make sure I'm going to a safe location when responding to casting calls. Any advice would be appreciated.

Get to know the models in your local area.  When you are thinking about working with a photographer, ask them if anyone has any stories to share.

Look at their portfolios:
...  If he has credited models, ask them for a reference.
...  Has he worked with a variety of models, multiple times (different dates)?

Ask the models & photographers who are local to the candidate photographer.

Ask permission to bring an escort.  Some photographers are okay with that; some are not.  As a compromise, have a friend drive you to the location, leave, and come back at an agreed upon time.

If you are still worried, decline the opportunity.

Jan 02 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Paolo Diavolo
Posts: 8,154
Pleasant Hill, California, US


The F-Stop wrote:
Bring an escort!

If anyone has a problem with that then leave.

Bringing someone with you does not mean its automatically a safe situation.
This is ignorant advice.
Laura1982, dont listen to that troll.

Its pretty simple:
If you dont feel safe taking internet modeling gigs, then don't model with hobby photographers you meet on the internet.

Work through an agency, or promo company, or work directly with businesses, or find another hobby.

Just use common sense, and have trust in people.

Jan 02 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,734
Santa Ana, California, US


The F-Stop wrote:
Bring an escort!

If anyone has a problem with that then leave.

Your troll post is not wanted here.

Jan 02 13 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chuckarelei
Posts: 9,250
Seattle, Washington, US


The F-Stop wrote:
Bring an escort!

If anyone has a problem with that then leave.

Yup, it's the safest. Because you may not have the shoot then. Stay at home after all. The safest.

Jan 02 13 12:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,180
Salem, Oregon, US


you can do your homework on the photographer (google them, check references) but i don't think you ever be 100% sure about someone (and some people won't give a bad reference for fear of reprisal). sometimes the bad things happen after a model and photographer have worked together a bunch of times. sometimes the photographer is great with everyone else but just goes nuts with one particular person.

i've heard of one rape but otherwise it's more nuisance stuff of guys behaving badly. some guys seem to think that the fee they pay to models includes escort-type services. models who tend to freeze under pressure (vs. kicking them in the balls and leaving) can get themselves into trouble with these guys.

you could hire a MUA to stay for the entire shoot. but a guy intent on doing bad might be able to take care of two women.

this site is frequently referenced:
http://madamebink.co.uk/?p=450

that said i know internet models who travel, get paid and do lots of shoots and are still alive and well. your mileage may vary.
Jan 02 13 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Laura1982 wrote:
Since I have always worked with an agency before and worked with photogs I knew, I'm not sure what the rules are or how to make sure I'm going to a safe location when responding to casting calls. Any advice would be appreciated.

I've never felt scared, threatened, or uncomfortable when planning shoots, and I've literally met hundreds of people who I initially met online.

You greatly reduce the chance of running into problems by ensuring good communication (trading phone numbers), asking other models (who should be credited in the photos) about their experience, and doing your research online about the photographer.

You should always put your safety first.  Sometimes the way people talk encourages a sense of risk-taking and dangerous behavior backed up by the suggestion that "that's what the pros do".  As a new amateur/hobby internet model, you're not a pro - experience counts for something, and so does knowing your limits and when to back out if something smells fishy.  Newbies (new to internet modeling) don't always know these things right away, and frankly,  amateur/hobby internet models don't need to take "risks" at all.  Don't get caught up in the sense that you have to take every opportunity and do everything to be perceived as "professional".    Regardless of what others might say, you should not feel pressured into doing anything that makes you feel unsafe or uncomfortable, ever, but especially as a new amateur/hobby model.  Set clear goals and comfortable limits for yourself when first starting out and communicate them to photographers so that there are no surprises when you work together.

Jan 02 13 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


Would you bring an llama herder to a job interview, or a first date, or any other time you might be alone with someone for the first time?

Like everyone has said, get a couple references, let someone know where you're going, and don't be too paranoid.
Jan 02 13 05:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,180
Salem, Oregon, US


i've been on some first dates where i WISH i had brought an escort to bail me out. lol.

Christinare wrote:
Would you bring an escort to a job interview, or a first date, or any other time you might be alone with someone for the first time?

Jan 02 13 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S230
Posts: 551
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


use common sense and let people know where you are, who you're with and when you are returning.
Jan 02 13 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,180
Salem, Oregon, US


i had a model call me on monday for just that purpose. she was shooting on short notice with someone she thought she didn't know (turns out she did know them after all) and told me her plans just to be on the safe side. she was shooting nearby and i would have gone over to check on her if she hadn't texted saying everything was going fine.

use the buddy system.

S230 wrote:
use common sense and let people know where you are, who you're with and when you are returning.

Jan 02 13 05:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Katherine1959
Posts: 2
Crossville, Alabama, US


Take an escort! I made the mistake of not taking one, and it lead me to a bad exprience which has almost cost me my chance at modeling.My word vs the photographer.

TAKE AN ESCORT!
Jan 02 13 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,180
Salem, Oregon, US


not all photographers on here allow them. and usually it's the guys they most want to shoot with who don't.

Katherine1959 wrote:
Take an escort!

Jan 02 13 06:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,885
Southaven, Mississippi, US


The F-Stop wrote:
Bring an escort!

If anyone has a problem with that then leave.

Where's the shield and cape?

Jan 02 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,885
Southaven, Mississippi, US


Katherine1959 wrote:
Take an escort! I made the mistake of not taking one, and it lead me to a bad exprience which has almost cost me my chance at modeling.My word vs the photographer.

TAKE AN ESCORT!

If you stereotype, your options will remain rather limited.

If you don't do your homework and/or don't understand the business, don't think an escort is going to fix things.

Jan 02 13 07:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,885
Southaven, Mississippi, US


Laura1982 wrote:
Since I have always worked with an agency before and worked with photogs I knew, I'm not sure what the rules are or how to make sure I'm going to a safe location when responding to casting calls. Any advice would be appreciated.

I'll say for the most part you're in just as much danger getting out of your home and going to work or to the store.  Discuss things up front.  Don't do anything that isn't covered unless you both agree.

Escorts have been known to destroy good shoots, steal from photographers, etc.  Many photographers will cancel a shoot if an escort is going to show up.  As for me, I don't need the distraction of an escort.  If a model ever decides she doesn't trust me before a shoot, I won't waste either of our time.

Jan 02 13 07:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Eyesso
Posts: 652
Ormond Beach, Florida, US


Too many "have been knowns" in here....

Escorts who "have been known" to ruin photo shoots.   And then the photographers who "have been known" to kidnap and rape models.  People who "have been known" to steal stuff, blah blah blah. 

Why not just apply the eternal rules of the internet meet up....

If you are meeting somebody from the internet for the first time.....meet in a very PUBLIC location, not in the woods somewhere, never at their house.   If you have any reservations, bring a friend. 

If your photographer is not creative enough to work around an escort, then they probably are not creative enough to work with in general.  Epic photos are not earned on the first photo shoot.....they come after mutual trust is established.
Jan 02 13 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bold Sheep Photography
Posts: 234
Blacksburg, Virginia, US


The F-Stop wrote:
Bring an escort!

Really? I am a professional with a studio. What is inherently more dangerous about me than a massage therapist or a hair stylist or a sole poleprietor CPA, FFS? Would you bring an escort to see your accountant?

Jan 02 13 08:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,780
Olivet, Michigan, US


Eyesso wrote:
Too many "have been knowns" in here....

Escorts who "have been known" to ruin photo shoots.   And then the photographers who "have been known" to kidnap and rape llamas.  People who "have been known" to steal stuff, blah blah blah. 

Why not just apply the eternal rules of the internet meet up....

If you are meeting somebody from the internet for the first time.....meet in a very PUBLIC location, not in the woods somewhere, never at their house.   If you have any reservations, bring a friend. 

If your photographer is not creative enough to work around an escort, then they probably are not creative enough to work with in general.  Epic photos are not earned on the first photo shoot.....they come after mutual trust is established.

I've gotten "epic photos" on the first shoot many times.  Perhaps because "mutual trust" was established through pre shoot and at shoot communications.  And illustrated by the lack of anyone brought to threaten me.

Jan 02 13 08:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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sammyspade
Posts: 98
Portland, Oregon, US


Bring an escort. Have them hang out in the neighborhood but not at the shoot.  If your shooting at a house, they'll know the address.  If you're shooting at a hotel, text them the room number right before you go in.  If it's an "in the yellow pages" studio, you don't need an escort.

How hard is this?

And photographers - you have no right to say, "You don't need an escort!"  Not every photographer is you.  Someone might want to shoot with some guy that does photography as a hobby and has cool stuff in his port.  They can take a few precautions and go shoot.
Jan 02 13 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tonic Dog Studios
Posts: 12,527
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


sammyspade wrote:
And photographers - you have no right to say, "You don't need an escort!"

Actually, I have every right to say whatever the hell I want.

Jan 02 13 09:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Steven Pressler Photo
Posts: 2
Los Angeles, California, US


Yes, I do encourage models to always bring an escort. Also, tell someone the exact location and time the shoot is.
Jan 02 13 10:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Eyesso wrote:
Too many "have been knowns" in here....

Escorts who "have been known" to ruin photo shoots.   And then the photographers who "have been known" to kidnap and rape models.  People who "have been known" to steal stuff, blah blah blah. 

Why not just apply the eternal rules of the internet meet up....

If you are meeting somebody from the internet for the first time.....meet in a very PUBLIC location, not in the woods somewhere, never at their house.   If you have any reservations, bring a friend. 

If your photographer is not creative enough to work around an escort, then they probably are not creative enough to work with in general.  Epic photos are not earned on the first photo shoot.....they come after mutual trust is established.

What a bunch of White Knight tripe.

All the creativity in the world isn't going to isn't going to make a killer shoot out of a scared model constantly looking to her boyfriend escort who's indicating with a nod or scowl what poses she can or can't do.

As for epic photos not being possible on the first shoot... Just more tripe. Mutual trust can easily be attained during and even before the first shoot. Good clear communication, a bit of research, and conditions of the shoot (that don't require a sluggo) can make the first shoot a fun, safe and productive setting.

Jan 02 13 10:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


Laura,

You're completely within your rights to demand an escort. Photographers are also completely within their rights to move on to the next model.

You can ask for just about anything, but keep in mind that you'll exclude yourself from consideration by a hefty number of photographers. We all have shoot conditions and either sticking to them or being flexible on them is our individual choice.
Jan 02 13 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,885
Southaven, Mississippi, US


landscapeartphotography wrote:
Yes, I do encourage models to always bring an escort. Also, tell someone the exact location and time the shoot is.

Do they have a reason to not feel SAFE around you?

Jan 02 13 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,754
Dearborn, Michigan, US


landscapeartphotography wrote:
Yes, I do encourage llamas to always bring an escort. Also, tell someone the exact location and time the shoot is.

If a llama wants to bring an escort there will be no shoot with her!
I will shoot with another llama.

Jan 03 13 01:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38,006
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Escorts lol
Jan 03 13 01:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nico Simon Princely
Posts: 1,649
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


My Take:

I meet with all models in a public place when setting up the shoot for my comfort and hers. This has resulted in more comfort for both of us and I weed out the flakes and A.D.D. afflicted.

I also tell them it's ok to check in every hour or so.

I don't do llama herders unless you and your llama herder are willing to take me out for dinner first so I get to know him/her.

I started doing that after one did take me out to dinner and I was fine with him sitting there and he stayed out of the way. I still prefer to shoot without one though most of the time.

Always trust your gut feeling about someone, but if you're a fearful person this is not the industry for you. Even though the chances of being harmed or raped by a photographer are much less than it happening on a date or by your boyfriend or husband.
Jan 03 13 01:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sammyspade
Posts: 98
Portland, Oregon, US


Tonic Dog Studios wrote:

Actually, I have every right to say whatever the hell I want.

Oh, sure.  It's just that no one should listen to you.  You're like, "I have a studio!  I've spent a lot on lighting!  I have lenses!  If that doesn't make me a personal safety expert, I don't know what does!"

Why, I'm surprised you even have time to shoot, what with all the Fortune 500s and colleges that must be breaking down your door to get you to review their campus security.  You are, after all, a photographer!  I mean, who else would they call???

Jan 03 13 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21,320
Seattle, Washington, US


Tonic Dog Studios wrote:

Actually, I have every right to say whatever the hell I want.

No, you don't.

You cannot say "fire" in a crowded theater.

You cannot advocate for the violent overthrow of the government.

On this site, you cannot levy personal attacks or "out" someone for wrongdoing, even if true.

And in most cases, you cannot practice libel without potential consequences.

But you can, if you wish, take a nonsensical position and represent that you are an idiot. If you chose to do that, you would be correct that you, in some fashion, have a right to do so. Personally, I do not advocate for this course of action. The choice is yours, of course.

Jan 03 13 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Gogar
Posts: 134
Göteborg, Västra Götaland, Sweden


Sophistocles wrote:

No, you don't.

You cannot say "fire" in a crowded theater.

You cannot advocate for the violent overthrow of the government.

On this site, you cannot levy personal attacks or "out" someone for wrongdoing, even if true.

And in most cases, you cannot practice libel without potential consequences.

But you can, if you wish, take a nonsensical position and represent that you are an idiot. If you chose to do that, you would be correct that you, in some fashion, have a right to do so. Personally, I do not advocate for this course of action. The choice is yours, of course.

+1

(Except that in swden you are allowed and can advocate for the violent overthrow of the government. It is only the act of violent overthrow they will frown upon wink ).

Jan 03 13 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wolfy4u
Posts: 1,075
Grand Junction, Colorado, US


Treat a first shoot the same way that you'd treat cleaning someone's home, baby sitting, delivering a pizza etc. for the first time.
As adults, we meet many people throughout our lives. Being careful, checking references etc. are the ways that we create the safest alternatives. Photo shoots are no more dangerous or safer than other pursuits in life.
We can choose to be 100% safe and never do anything, or almost 100% dangerous and not be careful at all. As in most things in life, it's about moderation and middle ground.

As to the idea of meeting with a model ahead of time, it's a fantastic idea, I'd like to do that everytime. The problem is that young people (most models tend to be young) don't want to take the time to do that. I've only had one model agree to meet with me ahead of time out of the 50-60 that I've done shoots with.
Experienced (read professional) models never care about escorts. I bet statistics, if they existed for this, would show that those experienced models end up being safer than the beginning models who want to use escorts.
Jan 03 13 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dean Johnson Photo
Posts: 55,901
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


From MM Edu

How to deal with unprofessional behavior in a professional manner

You may find some of that info helpful.
Jan 03 13 08:42 am  Link  Quote 
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