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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I say... craftsmanship, imagination, creative intention and above all... GOOD TASTE.

Are you creating images that seem like real art? How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you? What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model?
Jan 07 13 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Kevin Stenhouse
Posts: 2,658
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Are you creating images that seem like real art?

Seems like art.. yea sure. Is art... not sure about that... some maybe.


How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you?

Hard to say most of what I like to look at is artsy. A random search proves that it's closer to .5%

What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model?

If I can see it hanging on a wall or in gallery I'd consider it art. If it seems more fitting that it's in a book, ad, sign etc I call it a photo/illustration. With some cross-over of course.
Jan 07 13 10:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Artifice
Posts: 30,945
Los Angeles, California, US


There are two dirty words in photography; one is 'art', and the other is 'good taste'.

- Helmut Newton
Jan 07 13 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,066
Salem, Oregon, US


the viewer decides if it's art, not the person who made it. and we all have our own definitions. i've seen things sell for tons of money that i thought were a complete joke. i don't claim that any of my work is art. it's just soft-porn for the most part.
Jan 07 13 10:14 am  Link  Quote 
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johnreefphotography
Posts: 175
Washington, District of Columbia, US


You tell me.
Jan 07 13 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Ron Musser Photography
Posts: 107
Sacramento, California, US


the concept of art is not entirely defined  by the maker, but n by the viewer who brings to it his/hers physical and emotion reaction to it
Jan 07 13 10:22 am  Link  Quote 
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L Bass
Posts: 894
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


Sometimes I get it in my head that I'm going to create art. All I use is my camera and lighting. I had a photo-manipulation program several years ago (can't even remember the name of it) and played with that some. I found it was MUCH easier to create 'art' using post processing or a computer program, so I gave it up and went back to manipulating my camera 'before' the shot was taken. I find it's much more of a challenge using nothing more than my camera and experience.
Jan 07 13 10:22 am  Link  Quote 
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dcsmooth
Posts: 1,130
Detroit, Michigan, US


Please define art.

I have been accused of taking some artistic photographs, others likely just happen that way.

I must agree that art is in the eye of those viewing it. What I think is art someone else will not. Only a small percentage of the images I see here are art, in my opinion.

Some people might not think art is a valid concept since it is impossible to accurately define.  Yes, we can probably all agree on the old masters paintings that hang in museums and galleries as being pure art at its finest. But what about everything else?

I was once in an art gallery and saw what looked like a pile of dog droppings on the floor below a neatly pinned sign on the wall with the name of the artwork and the artist. Obviously the gallery people thought it was art and someone certainly took time creating it. Who am I to say it is not art, even if it does not appeal to my eye? It is not art to me, but it will be to someone else.

I think 99% of the population does not know what art is.
Jan 07 13 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Koryn
Posts: 34,594
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I create trash and filth.

It's awesome.
Jan 07 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Kevin Stenhouse wrote:
If I can see it hanging on a wall or in gallery I'd consider it art. If it seems more fitting that it's in a book, ad, sign etc I call it a photo/illustration. With some cross-over of course.

Kevin... Looking at your portfolio you seem like one of the people who can't help but make art.

It's a way of relating and a way of looking at what you are creating. It's not just a captured subject, it's a vision for how to express the subject.

Sometimes the grace or beauty of a particular model is so moving that anyone could stand behind the camera. More often though art has me feel like I'm seeing the world through a new pair of eyes... that someone is showing me a way of looking that opens me up to all new perspectives.

Jan 07 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Koryn Locke wrote:
I create trash and filth.

It's awesome.

As someone who considers himself an artist in a word that often shit on my work I think this is a great attitude. I was doing tattoos before they were cool and paintings that art school teachers said were garbage. I always knew I was making art no matter what anyone said.

So looking at your stuff... I see art. I see you beautifully expressing yourself in images in a way that is not simply about being "hot" or "beautiful" or "naked". I see you being boldly expressed as a subject of fine art. Call it trash and filth... enjoy the freedom of that... and I totally disagree. You are creating beautiful works of art.

And I suppose trash and filth CAN BE art.

Jan 07 13 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


johnreefphotography wrote:
You tell me.

Looking at your work I don't think I have to tell you... making art looks like all you do.

Jan 07 13 10:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


NothingIsRealButTheGirl wrote:
There are two dirty words in photography; one is 'art', and the other is 'good taste'.

- Helmut Newton

Lol... smile
That's a great quote. I do like to talk dirty sometimes.

Jan 07 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pixsrbious Productions
Posts: 90
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Art,  like Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder
Jan 07 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
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DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,774
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Yes, I think I'm creating art.
There is a lot of art on model mayhem (check out my ART list, over 300 pics, each of which i would happily hang on my wall)
Personally, for me to consider a photograph to be a work of art it must be pleasing to look at, display beautiful composition, evoke some kind of feeling or initiate a deeper narrative, and it must be suitable for display in public view, whether in my home or in a gallery.
Jan 07 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


I shoot primarily in B&W, ergo it must be art big_smile





Just my $0.02

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Jan 07 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Ben Hinman
Posts: 596
Westwood, California, US


Art is never self conscious. Art does not care what people think or how people feel about it. Art is truth spread through lies, brush strokes and shadows and images and sounds. Art is a feeling that thinks or a thought that feels. Art is better than you.
Jan 07 13 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
I shoot primarily in B&W, ergo it must be art big_smile

It's funny, but there is a grain of truth in that. Somehow B&W often ads a layer of creative interpretation. That said there is way more that I'm experiencing in your work that has me relate to it as art. It seems carefully crafted and expressive.

Jan 07 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
Personally, for me to consider a photograph to be a work of art it must be pleasing to look at, display beautiful composition, evoke some kind of feeling or initiate a deeper narrative, and it must be suitable for display in public view, whether in my home or in a gallery.

Dan...! I agree. I'm really inspired by your portfolio. I could fill my home with work like this. Stunning!

Jan 07 13 11:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Ben Hinman
Posts: 596
Westwood, California, US


David Bollt wrote:

It's funny, but there is a grain of truth in that. Somehow B&W often ads a layer of creative interpretation. That said there is way more that I'm experiencing in your work that has me relate to it as art. It seems carefully crafted and expressive.

Well the irony is its not adding, its subtracting. I love color. It adds another dimension beyond depth and tonal value.

Jan 07 13 11:17 am  Link  Quote 
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L Raye
Posts: 4,937
Petaluma, California, US


I like to think that sometimes I can make art.
Jan 07 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,939
Costa Mesa, California, US


David Bollt wrote:
I say... craftsmanship, imagination, creative intention and above all... GOOD TASTE.

Are you creating images that seem like real art? How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you? What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model?

You an I have very little to say about what IS art. That's left to magazines, collectors, galleries and critics. But to me the main test of art that most people fail to take into consideration is time. Hot stuff today becomes next year's also ran. Style is another forgoten element it seems. Many people flit from look to look like they are a dozen different artists. Others do the same stuff for 40 years. Another Faux method used to imply style where there is none is to include the same prop in every photo. Style develops or it doesn't. IT can't be forced. An Edward Weston Pepper shows his touch as surely as any of his nudes.

Jan 07 13 11:20 am  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,541
Pasadena, California, US


My images themselves may or may not be art.  But, the way I print them (hand coated cyanotypes and platinum/palladium) makes them fine art, and allows me to sell them as such.
Jan 07 13 11:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Christine Eadie
Posts: 2,613
Charleston, South Carolina, US


David Bollt wrote:
I say... craftsmanship, imagination, creative intention and above all... GOOD TASTE.

I see a lot of art that is in bad taste, but it is art.  (bad taste is everything I don't like)
I have seen art galleries hosting instagram shows, and craftsmanship was laking. Don't need much craft to press a button and upload to instagram. Ah, but they must be imaginative, eh?
Not really. Aren't paintings done by elephants sold as art? Do elephants have imagination? Perhaps.
Basically, I'm saying there is no definition for art.

Jan 07 13 11:30 am  Link  Quote 
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DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,774
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


David Bollt wrote:

Dan...! I agree. I'm really inspired by your portfolio. I could fill my home with work like this. Stunning!

Thank you. Right back at you!

Jan 07 13 11:31 am  Link  Quote 
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DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,774
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Christine Eadie wrote:

I see a lot of art that is in bad taste, but it is art.  (bad taste is everything I don't like)
I have seen art galleries hosting instagram shows, and craftsmanship was laking. Don't need much craft to press a button and upload to instagram. Ah, but they must be imaginative, eh?
Not really. Aren't paintings done by elephants sold as art? Do elephants have imagination? Perhaps.
Basically, I'm saying there is no definition for art.

When it comes to many modern paintings, you can't really distinguish whether an elephant or a human made them... Or if a can of paint fell off a shelf onto some canvas. Lol.

Jan 07 13 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Managing Light
Posts: 1,721
Salem, Virginia, US


Kevin Stenhouse wrote:
If I can see it hanging on a wall or in gallery I'd consider it art. If it seems more fitting that it's in a book, ad, sign etc I call it a photo/illustration. With some cross-over of course.
David Bollt wrote:
Kevin... Looking at your portfolio you seem like one of the people who can't help but make art.

Second that.

Jan 07 13 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Glenn Worton
Posts: 1,406
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


If I'd be willing to put a big image on my wall where it can be seen, and live with it for 20 years, I'd call it art.  I've been trying to produce such images for 40 years with limited success - so far two, of which "Christine at the Window" in my portfolio is one.
Jan 07 13 11:44 am  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Glenn Worton wrote:
If I'd be willing to put a big image on my wall where it can be seen, and live with it for 20 years, I'd call it art.  I've been trying to produce such images for 40 years with limited success - so far two, of which "Christine at the window" in my portfolio is one.

Part of what makes great art... is often the relentless pursuit of creating it.

"Christine at the window" is elegantly expressed. I see why you would choose that as one of your favorites.

Jan 07 13 12:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
When it comes to many modern paintings, you can't really distinguish whether an elephant or a human made them... Or if a can of paint fell off a shelf onto some canvas. Lol.

Yes..! To me it seems like some crazy kind of hypnosis. Critics so often fear true genius and quality. It's like they put mediocrity on a pedestal and condemn excellence. Then other fear to decide for themselves and outsource their own judgment to others.

In my experience... people everywhere are moved by great art. So often it's not in a gallery or a museum, but anywhere in the world. Something inspired stops people in their tracks... it blows them away and has them experience something powerful (even if they were not expecting or or looking for it).

Jan 07 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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The Falcons Nest
Posts: 535
Brooklyn, New York, US


If art is suppose to provoke than how can it always be what everybody considers to be in good taste?
Jan 07 13 12:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bearz Images
Posts: 782
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I let others worry about whether if it's 'ART' or not. I create, shoot, & pursue my passions.
Jan 07 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Christine Eadie wrote:
Aren't paintings done by elephants sold as art? Do elephants have imagination? Perhaps.
Basically, I'm saying there is no definition for art.

There is no "one" definition. The thing I'm curious about is hearing different definitions... and to see who those definitions come from.

Maybe those of us who put our hearts into creating great images have some things in common as to what "ART" means for us.

Elephants painting is a novelty / marketing achievement. To me it's not art. Also so much of what we see in galleries and museums is not art (at least not good art).

My thoughts right now...

No matter what critics or society says art is. Good art moves people and inspires them. It moves people from all walks of life. It touches people who are refined and educated as well as those who are not. Good art inspires the admiration of other artists.

Jan 07 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


The Falcons Nest wrote:
If art is suppose to provoke than how can it always be what everybody considers to be in good taste?

It will never be what "everybody" considers to be in good taste. The question is... will it be in good taste for those of us who have good taste? wink

Jan 07 13 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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sidney_k
Posts: 873
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Bearz Images wrote:
I let others worry about whether if it's 'ART' or not. I create, shoot, & pursue my passions.

+1

The people that care the most about art (with all it's terminology),
are usually the ones, that create the least.

Jan 07 13 12:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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nyk fury
Posts: 2,874
Port Townsend, Washington, US


Are you creating images that seem like real art?  rarely

How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you? next to nothing

What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model? the image is as desirable as a painting
Jan 07 13 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


nyk fury wrote:
Are you creating images that seem like real art?  rarely

How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you? next to nothing

What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model? the image is as desirable as a painting

That seems fashionably dismissive. I was just rocked by your portfolio and did not see anything in there that occurred to me as less than remarkable art.

Jan 07 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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KMP
Posts: 4,510
Houston, Texas, US


David Bollt wrote:
I say... craftsmanship, imagination, creative intention and above all... GOOD TASTE.

Are you creating images that seem like real art? How much of what you see at Model Mayhem seems like art to you? What do you think makes an image a work of art, as opposed to just a photograph or a picture of a model?

Ya know.. I think it's that GOOD TASTE thing.. that is the stickler.. 

Once that's defined.. THEN you can actually discuss this.. but then. it's never truly defined..

Jan 07 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Bollt
Posts: 90
Asheville, North Carolina, US


KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
Once that's defined.. THEN you can actually discuss this.. but then. it's never truly defined..

I don't think it will ever be truly defined, but I want to hear what people experience as great art. Screw the collective definition. What moves any single person.

The viewer brings beauty into the world... not the image. What has the experience of art show up for you... in your world?

Jan 07 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,422
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Hell no.

I just came back from a meeting with Sebastiao Salgado showing some pix for the next world tour expo. Makes everything I've done seem destined for electronic salvage.
Jan 07 13 01:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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