Kaouthia
Posts: 3,080
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom
Haha, well, be warned, your mileage may vary. They don't fit into everybody's workflow (I only transmit JPG files with them, because big RAW files can take forever).
I shoot RAW to the CF slot, JPG to the SD slot (D300s), and it gets sent over WiFi to the iPad/Laptop to check focus and composition, and then post process the RAW file once I get to a computer with a proper card reader.
I have recently gone to Dropbox delivery of the 15-20+ files, instead of the CD/DVD.
You may want to reconsider the amount of images you are giving away for a TF shoot. Fifteen to twenty images seems like a lot. They could create their whole portfolio pretty much from one shoot with you by you giving them so many images.
It depends on what the job is. If I'm doing an annual report, the client may see our top 3-5 images. There are things the art director needs to consider like crop, where text will go, among other things.
If I'm doing a portrait of a individual, I post a website. I edit out blinks, expressions or poses I don't feel are complimentary to the client. I also edit out extra images that may be too similar to show more than one.
The more they see the harder it can be to make a decision. Group shots get the same attention but I show a sample of everyone, in one shot or another that is their best.
No matter what I shoot, I always have a laptop on location and in the studio to review the images prior to finishing a shoot. That way I have the client's approval that we have images they're happy with and also I can make notes as to which ones are their favorites. Plus if they mention a particular thing they'd like to be addressed in post that I can do that as well.
The client gets whatever they want...it's called service. It's what they pay for.
If I feel I can improve the shot, I'll shoot it my way also and let them decide.
I shoot for a number of clients who want me to pick my faves and send them along....it's all good..
I'm hired for my experience and judgment and feel it's all part of the job.
I haven't worked for a client looking for any wanker with a camera in many years..and I like it that way.
And that makes perfect sense. And I should mention I wouldn't shoot that way with any client. If I was shooting Senior portraits or engagement shots, or even a model...I wouldn't want family there viewing the images as they're shot and commenting. I would perform the shoot, do my own selection process and provide a proof for their review.
But in a commercial setting with a creative and/or art director, marketing reps and others involved in the process it's very rare that I would be allowed the latitude to just shoot and provide them with what I like the best.
For example, they know the copy/text that is going to accompany the image and where it's going to be orientated on the page (layout). So they will make recommendations based on that so I can fine tune composition, lighting, focus, etc. That's invaluable information to get the shot they want and very often creatives are visual people and need to see the shots before they can comment on how things need to change.
Sure, some provide the info in a creative brief and just let you have free reign and don't even attend the shoot...and we all love those...but they are few and far between for me.
Yeah, I read a few things about shooting for a corporation recently, I gather the rules are much different! Hehe.
Models in particular, I will email 10-15 edited pictures, which are watermarked and resized for web (by request, I will send whatever full sized image they may want for print). I saw it mentioned here that this is a lot, but even in a 45 minute time frame that's as far as I can narrow it down. When I modeled, this didn't seem like an unreasonable amount of pictures to receive from TFP. Is there a reason to limit myself to a lower amount?
Anna Adrielle
Posts: 17,057
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
my boyfriend is a freelance photographer, and has been shooting paid tests for plussize models for the past year.
We select the photos together, and the client is fine with it. But in our case, there are both a model (me) and a photographer looking at the pictures, and also a man and a woman. So we got all grounds covered .
We pick 10 photos together, and if afterwards the client feels like he "missed out" on certain shots, we send them a pdf with sheets of pictures (like 9 pictures a sheet), and they have the option to order some extra ones at a very reasonable price. So far, everyone has been happy with the choices we made.
Personally, I only have a problem with someone else picking for me when I don't like any of the ones they picked... which does happen sometimes!
for other type of paid work (like babyphotography) he does, the client gets access to a gallery where they can chose pictures, if that is what they prefer (sometimes they still want us to choose though). then either we agree on a certain amount of pictures for that price, or we agree on a certain price per picture they want.
really depends on the client and the shoot... I think it's important to have options
I know I'm sounding simplistic but it's true. Sure, we all take shots that aren't exactly what you wanted but I wouldn't call them "junk". And I'm not saying I don't take shots that I don't like. If I'm testing or trying some new technique, I am sure I will take some shots that didn't work or I din't like. That's fine. That's why we test and learn. But when there is a client in front of me, I'm not going to be trying something new and perhaps create "junk". They pay me because I convinced them I was the best person for the job and I know what I'm doing.
"Sorry Mr. Client. During your portrait sitting we shot junk so we will have to do it again." Why would you shoot junk with a paying client? Your a pro because you know what your doing. You know how to deliver the goods. I seem to read that all the time on these forums.
There is a HUGE difference between junk and shot that just needs some tweaking, or a turn of the head, or an eye blink or whatever.
Lights don't go off, one light doesn't go off, model blinks, etc. All of those are junk.
If you actually expect to get every shot as a ad quality photograph? There is a reason you're not shooting people ads in NYC.
Chuck Purnell wrote: You may want to reconsider the amount of images you are giving away for a TF shoot. Fifteen to twenty images seems like a lot. They could create their whole portfolio pretty much from one shoot with you by you giving them so many images.
I understand your point, but since I am the one actually choosing which "final" 15-20images...I want to make sure they have a good number to choose from. And it only takes me about 2hrs to "edit" those 15-20 to a finished product, which seems like a very fair "trade" of our time.
Likely, she has taken about 2hrs to get ready for the shoot, and I take about 2hrs to edit 15-20 images...it seems like a very fair trade of our time.
I show the model the "best" images as they are taken (on the camera) so they already have a good idea of what we shot, so instead of a "proof set" I just choose the best that "we" liked at the shoot, and finish them in less than 24hrs. I just provide the 15-20 "finished" images instead...via dropbox...quickly, and I'm done.
shooter 88 wrote: This is a free country...
What make you think your choice are better?
I gave out all the images on dvd with water mark and let them choose.
I didn't read anyone here saying "their way was better" than your's, because each photographer values his time/images differently.
But, In less than 24 hrs, I'm done providing what the model really wants, and with only 2-3hrs of editing.
I never have to "watermark" 150 images, create a "proof set", or write/deliver a DVD. She already knows/loves what we shot by reviewing as-we-shoot on the back of the camera.
I would rather be shooting my NEXT photoshoot, than spending the long hours/expense EDITING (or "watermarking") the typical 150 images for a model who spent a grand total of 3-4hours of HER time for a shoot.
To each, his own. I'd rather be on to shooting my next shoot, than watermarking and such. I want to spend my time working on improving my "in-camera" skills now, and I'll "edit" when I get old(er). LOL!
When I modeled, this didn't seem like an unreasonable amount of pictures to receive from TFP. Is there a reason to limit myself to a lower amount?
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