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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


STASIS wrote:

This is what happened on our last shoot. Showed up with a completely different body type that when we've worked previously.

She doesn't have a portfolio. She is not a professional or even aspiring model like most of you on ModelMayhem. She is has only done 3 shoots, all with me. But I treat her as a professional, and she acts like a professional.

I'd love to keep working with her and help her develop a book. But not if she doesn't care about her body.

If you want to come across as a concerned party who is genuinely interested in helping her fulfill her goals as a model while also filling your own career goals, then maybe you can find a tactful way of telling her that it is unlikely in the future that she will get the type of jobs she is looking for unless she has a certain body type. Maybe instead of telling her, "This is what I need you to look like in order to work with you" You can tell her that agencies and many other photographers look for a certain aesthetic, and that if she is not willing to work in order to maintain that then she might want to consider plus size modeling (and then explain nicely that you don't shoot plus sized models and perhaps suggest to her some photographers you might know who would be willing) or to reconsider modeling altogether.

Is it a possibility that she has gained some weight because she does care about her body? I know a lot of women who were anorexic in high school and when they received help for that they gained weight. Antidepressants and other medications like that for people who struggle with eating disorders can cause weight gain that is very hard to control, even with proper diet and exercise. And even if that isn't the case for her, its important to know that just because someone doesn't fit your standard it doesn't mean that they are 1. overweight (only her doctor can determine that) and 2. that they don't care about their bodies.

Jan 08 13 07:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STASIS
Posts: 30
Terre Haute, Indiana, US


Jordan, I absolutely agree with you.

Framing it in terms of her goals and her career is probably the best thing to do.

I understand completely how difficult losing weight can be. I lost 60lbs a few years back, and I've battled my weight and unhealthy habits and eating disorders my whole life.

I know I sound snarky in my comments, but I'm sensitive to the subject in reality and would never be so blunt face-to-face.

But I hope everyone understands I post on ModelMayhem to be brutally honest and have an open dialog. Not to just hear the accepted wisdom of "You might hurt her feelings. Don't say anything."
Jan 08 13 07:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
design goddess
Posts: 18
Atlanta, Georgia, US


sweetcheekscouture wrote:

You don't.

Cast someone else who fits the part. It's not your job to educate the world.

If she approached you it would be different but you don't need to approach her. Pretty sure she knows what she looks like.

In my humble opinion.

agreed

Jan 08 13 07:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
design goddess
Posts: 18
Atlanta, Georgia, US


STASIS wrote:
I want to cast her, but she needs to lose weight first.

That is my dilemma.

This is a shoot I'm planning for ~6 months from now.

why are you casting so far ahead? you could hire a skinny model now and be stuck with a fat one 6 months later. Not smart.

Jan 08 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
STASIS
Posts: 30
Terre Haute, Indiana, US


design goddess wrote:
why are you casting so far ahead? you could hire a skinny model now and be stuck with a fat one 6 months later. Not smart.

Hah! Well, that's very true!

Jan 08 13 07:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


To paraphrase a female friend: 'NEVER EVER -EVER- EVER SAY ANYTHING  NEGATIVE TO A GIRL ABOUT HER PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.

Bottom Line: if she doesn't fit what you need find someone else.

As I understand it, women feel about their physical appearance the way men feel about their " Personal Endowment" . Unless it's praise-- Don't Even Go There. Nothing good can come from it.

(PS I'm the guy who in his early days would advise girls to get nose jobs...what can I say? I thought it would be helpful.
Jan 08 13 07:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mercia Productions
Posts: 41
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


STASIS wrote:
From what you're all saying, I should not only *not* cast her and give her a chance (even though she would be the best choice), but also not offer her a reason why she wasn't chosen.

Alright.

It is a little confusing. If you have a problem with her being 25 lbs overweight how can she possibly be the best choice? Either she is your best choice or she is not.... regardless. Which is it?

Jan 08 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


There are plenty of models. I just move on to one that it right for the gig without the need to lose a bunch of weight.
Jan 08 13 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,957
Costa Mesa, California, US


STASIS wrote:
I've worked with a model who has put on a lot of weight recently.

She has a beautiful face, but she is probably 25 pounds overweight. (huge gut, overflowing love handles, and too big of a bust)

I'd love to cast her for a shoot, but she won't fit the part.
__________

How can I approach this with her without seeming like an insensitive clod?

You can't. It would be like me saying that your photography would be perfect for this job I have in mind if..then list your short comings for the project needs. We all have them. Few like to be told about them even in a polite manner. In her mind she's perfect for the job. In yours she to fat. How can that be politely discussed.

Jan 08 13 08:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


New Art Photo wrote:
To paraphrase a female friend: 'NEVER EVER -EVER- EVER SAY ANYTHING  NEGATIVE TO A GIRL ABOUT HER PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.

Haha.

Models can take this -- usually.  It doesn't sound like his model is actually interested in modeling so I think this would be wise advice in this situation. smile 

Models need to be able to take hearing negative things about their appearance.  It's part of the job. 

Most girls who just want pretty pictures won't.  Try telling "You're not right for the project, you're two sizes too large" and she'll just hear "You're ugly and fat".    Being able to separate the job requirements from personal feelings of self-worth and beauty can be hard; it's not for everyone.   For me, it's the difference between hearing 'I liked your long hair better/ I wish you were 2 inches taller / I wish you were a B cup' from a potential client and my boyfriend.

Jan 08 13 08:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lola Misfit
Posts: 1,039
Anaheim, California, US


Perhaps I can put it in better terms.

*hypothetically speaking*

You want a girlfriend. Your only requirements are that she's female, and not overweight.

Do you go to every female you see and tell them, "I'd love to make you my girlfriend, but you're overweight, if you're interested in being with me, please work on that." ???



NOOOOOOOO.

You skip the chubsters and go straight towards what you're looking for.


Why should this be any different?
Jan 08 13 08:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


STASIS wrote:
I've worked with a model who has put on a lot of weight recently.

She has a beautiful face, but she is probably 25 pounds overweight. (huge gut, overflowing love handles, and too big of a bust)

I'd love to cast her for a shoot, but she won't fit the part.
__________

How can I approach this with her without seeming like an insensitive clod?

You can't, won't and shouldn't. Why in the world would you even consider pointing out your opinion on someone's physical shortcomings, unless she's asking why you haven't used her?

There is no way to say, "Gee...you'd be so perfect for an upcoming project if it wasn't for the fact that you're a fat sow" without sounding like a clod. And it's incredibly self-absorbed.

Seriously, you don't think she already knows she's overweight? Do you think you're going to point out something that has completely escaped her? Or that the revelation that you'd hire her if she wasn't fat is going to send her running to the nearest Jenny Craig facility?

Cmon, man. That's just horrible.

Jan 08 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
291
Posts: 11,911
SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US


this is one of those threads where if the op spent two-minutes before hitting the submit button logic would prevail in solving the dilemma.

i'm really trying to figure out the difficulty here.  but i can't.
Jan 08 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


New Art Photo wrote:
To paraphrase a female friend: 'NEVER EVER -EVER- EVER SAY ANYTHING  NEGATIVE TO A GIRL ABOUT HER PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.

Bottom Line: if she doesn't fit what you need find someone else.

As I understand it, women feel about their physical appearance the way men feel about their " Personal Endowment" . Unless it's praise-- Don't Even Go There. Nothing good can come from it.

(PS I'm the guy who in his early days would advise girls to get nose jobs...what can I say? I thought it would be helpful.

But a man who wanted to be in the porn industry with a Vienna sausage would be expected to hear the negativity and move on. Unless there is a fetish for tiny dicks I don't know about he probably wouldn't be getting much work.

A professional model should be able to hear respectful but honest critique about her look, and be able to accept rejection based on these things. Anyone who has ever cracked the spine of a fashion magazine should be able to see that not every model will work for every job. The models Marc Jacobs works with are like night and day compared to a Victoria's Secret model.

Jan 08 13 08:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lola Misfit
Posts: 1,039
Anaheim, California, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

But a man who wanted to be in the porn industry with a Vienna sausage would be expected to hear the negativity and move on. Unless there is a fetish for tiny dicks I don't know about he probably wouldn't be getting much work.

A professional model should be able to hear respectful but honest critique about her look, and be able to accept rejection based on these things. Anyone who has ever cracked the spine of a fashion magazine should be able to see that not every model will work for every job. The models Marc Jacobs works with are like night and day compared to a Victoria's Secret model.

The OP clarified that the woman he'd like to use for his project is not seeking a career in modeling. Regardless, she didn't ask for critique, and he's not her manager/agency to be suggesting any changes to her physical appearance.

Jan 08 13 08:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


model emily  wrote:
Haha.

Models can take this -- usually.  It doesn't sound like his model is actually interested in modeling so I think this would be wise advice in this situation. smile 

Models need to be able to take hearing negative things about their appearance.  It's part of the job. 

Most girls who just want pretty pictures won't.  Try telling "You're not right for the project, you're two sizes too large" and she'll just hear "You're ugly and fat".    Being able to separate the job requirements from personal feelings of self-worth and beauty can be hard; it's not for everyone.   For me, it's the difference between hearing 'I liked your long hair better/ I wish you were 2 inches taller / I wish you were a B cup' from a potential client and my boyfriend.

This x 100.

If a photographer said to me, "I'm sorry but I'm casting for someone with a different look." I would feel down that I didn't get the job but I would not take it to heart. I would thank the photographer for the consideration and for responding to me, and then I would say that I hoped he would consider me in future projects and then move on.

But one time my aunt said to me (right after I'd gotten married and put on some blissfully happy weight that women tend to get sometimes) "Jordy belle is there a gym nearby you? I just wondered because you look like you are gaining a little bit of weight..." And I nearly burst into tears! Its a huge difference between professional and personal life.

Jan 08 13 08:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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dave phoenix
Posts: 1,257
Phoenix, Arizona, US


There's no nice way to say, "I'd love to shoot you if you lose 25 pounds." Sorry, but there just isn't.

Make a note on your calendar to check her profile in a couple months, that's the best you can do in the situation.
Jan 08 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Lola Misfit  wrote:
The OP clarified that the woman he'd like to use for his project is not seeking a career in modeling. Regardless, she didn't ask for critique, and he's not her manager/agency to be suggesting any changes to her physical appearance.

You are right. But he said that he wanted to help her make a book which I thought meant that she was interested in modeling but that she didn't have a portfolio to be considered professional. I took it to mean that he is trying to help her in a sort of mentorship capacity, in which case I think helpful advice would be okay if it was given in a tactful way.

But re-reading it all I'm not so sure. If she is just in it for the pictures then I completely withdraw my previous comment.

Jan 08 13 08:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

But a man who wanted to be in the porn industry with a Vienna sausage would be expected to hear the negativity and move on. Unless there is a fetish for tiny dicks I don't know about he probably wouldn't be getting much work.

A professional model should be able to hear respectful but honest critique about her look, and be able to accept rejection based on these things. Anyone who has ever cracked the spine of a fashion magazine should be able to see that not every model will work for every job. The models Marc Jacobs works with are like night and day compared to a Victoria's Secret model.

Yes, if she is actively seeking out work. Or even wondering why she's not getting work. Or putting herself out there. This has nothing to do with the model in question.

This is about the OP feeling the need to offer an unsolicited critique to tell someone he'd work with them IF they weren't overweight. If she had applied for a job, a casting, or even asked the OP why he hasn't used her, then it would be fine.

But that isn't the case. The problem here is with the OP not the model.

I see a lot of 5'2" girls on the street that I think are pretty. I don't walk up to them and say, "Gee, you're really pretty. I'd love to work with you if only you were 7" taller...OK, buh-bye."

Or better yet, let's say you are the perfect height/weight/style, etc. for my tastes (it's not even a paid project the OP is talking about...just what HE likes). I initiate correspondence with you and send a message that says...

"Hi Jordan,

I really think you have a great look and I'd love to collaborate with you on a shoot. But you've got a monstrous nose. But if it wasn't for that you'd be perfect!

OK, good talking to you."

Would you not be CAMing me, starting a WTF thread or at least saying, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?"

And you don't have a monstrous nose, I hope you know that was purely hypothetical lol

Jan 08 13 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,783
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


sweetcheekscouture wrote:

You don't.

Cast someone else who fits the part. It's not your job to educate the world.

If she approached you it would be different but you don't need to approach her. Pretty sure she knows what she looks like.

In my humble opinion.

+10000000000000000000

Jan 08 13 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Lola Misfit
Posts: 1,039
Anaheim, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Yes, if she is actively seeking out work. Or even wondering why she's not getting work. Or putting herself out there. This has nothing to do with the model in question.

This is about the OP feeling the need to offer an unsolicited critique to tell someone he'd work with them IF they weren't overweight. If she had applied for a job, a casting, or even asked the OP why he hasn't used her, then it would be fine.

But that isn't the case. The problem here is with the OP not the model.

I see a lot of 5'2" girls on the street that I think are pretty. I don't walk up to them and say, "Gee, you're really pretty. I'd love to work with you if only you were 7" taller...OK, buh-bye."

Or better yet, let's say you are the perfect height/weight/style, etc. for my tastes (it's not even a paid project the OP is talking about...just what HE likes). I initiate correspondence with you and send a message that says...

"Hi Jordan,

I really think you have a great look and I'd love to collaborate with you on a shoot. But you've got a monstrous nose. But if it wasn't for that you'd be perfect!

OK, good talking to you."

Would you not be CAMing me, starting a WTF thread or at least saying, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?"

And you don't have a monstrous nose, I hope you know that was purely hypothetical lol

brilliance. sheer brilliance.

Jan 08 13 08:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dave phoenix
Posts: 1,257
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I see a lot of 5'2" girls on the street that I think are pretty. I don't walk up to them and say, "Gee, you're really pretty. I'd love to work with you if only you were 7" taller...OK, buh-bye."

haha smile

welp, see ya later!

Jan 08 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Yes, if she is actively seeking out work. Or even wondering why she's not getting work. Or putting herself out there. This has nothing to do with the model in question.

This is about the OP feeling the need to offer an unsolicited critique to tell someone he'd work with them IF they weren't overweight. If she had applied for a job, a casting, or even asked the OP why he hasn't used her, then it would be fine.

But that isn't the case. The problem here is with the OP not the model.

I see a lot of 5'2" girls on the street that I think are pretty. I don't walk up to them and say, "Gee, you're really pretty. I'd love to work with you if only you were 7" taller...OK, buh-bye."

Or better yet, let's say you are the perfect height/weight/style, etc. for my tastes (it's not even a paid project the OP is talking about...just what HE likes). I initiate correspondence with you and send a message that says...

"Hi Jordan,

I really think you have a great look and I'd love to collaborate with you on a shoot. But you've got a monstrous nose. But if it wasn't for that you'd be perfect!

OK, good talking to you."

Would you not be CAMing me, starting a WTF thread or at least saying, "Who the fuck does this guy think he is?"

And you don't have a monstrous nose, I hope you know that was purely hypothetical lol

Point taken on the OP. But I was also responding to the one guy who said something about NEVER NEVER NEVER say anything about a woman's looks which I took to mean allllll women generally.

Jan 08 13 09:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


dave phoenix wrote:

haha smile

welp, see ya later!

Okay this with the video made me LOL for real.

Jan 08 13 09:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Srefis Limited
Posts: 960
Asheville, North Carolina, US


My friend Johnny would tell her "You need to lose about 3 cheeseburgers" lol he cracked me up when he said that!
Jan 08 13 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 760
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


You don't bring it up.

You cast someone else. If she asks why, you can tell her.
Jan 08 13 09:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dark Shadows
Posts: 2,269
Miami, Florida, US


I think a lot of men have trouble understanding how sensitive women can be about their weight. It's hard to relate because it's not uncommon for men to not even know their exact weight, while most women not only know exactly what they weigh, but how much they 'want' to weigh.

In general you can tell a guy he is a few pounds overweight and he will probably shrug or laugh it off and agree with you. If you tell that to a woman there is a good chance she will be immediately offended.

So yeah, it's probably not a good idea to mention weight loss even with the best intentions.
Jan 08 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,626
Eureka, California, US


GCobb Photography wrote:
Without suggesting everything you should say, try talking to her and working up to what you need for the shoot.  The maybe ask her if she thinks it's doable to be able to meet your needs by the time of the shoot.  You don't have to ask what she wears unless she brings it up first but maybe ask if she can be a 5-6 or whatever by a certain date.  With enough tact I wouldn't see where she'd take offense to the suggestion.
STASIS wrote:
This is the kind of advice I was looking for. Thanks!

So 20 people say don't say anything and cast someone else, and you argue with them. Then one single person agrees with what you think you should do and you jump on it as if it proves you were right.

Being a straight-forward and honest person doesn't mean approaching people who aren't asking for it and pointing out what YOU think are their faults.

That just makes you a jerk.

Jan 08 13 10:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Escalante
Posts: 5,367
Chicago, Illinois, US


Dude you are fat , time to go work out .

Chica stop drinking you are gaining More Belly then Bootay ...


   Did anyone try to Harpoon you on the way to the studio from the beach ? ( I like to finish that one with a lil "arrrgh" for effect )

No Seriously girl those where My Fries , the Make up artist's Fries and My assistant's Fries ... Yes Sure You are a Size 0/2 



  I don't think this should be a issue worthy of a forum thread.

Fatal suicidal action , you'll end up getting shot  more times then suicide by cop ....
Jan 08 13 11:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,489
Los Angeles, California, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

But a man who wanted to be in the porn industry with a Vienna sausage would be expected to hear the negativity and move on. Unless there is a fetish for tiny dicks I don't know about he probably wouldn't be getting much work.

A professional model should be able to hear respectful but honest critique about her look, and be able to accept rejection based on these things. Anyone who has ever cracked the spine of a fashion magazine should be able to see that not every model will work for every job. The models Marc Jacobs works with are like night and day compared to a Victoria's Secret model.

That's cool.

But this isn't about accepting rejection. He is talking about reaching out to her to tell her she doesn't fit the project and suggest she lose weight for it.

And no, that's not how professional models work. My AGENCY will tell me if I need to lose weight. A CLIENT will pick me if I fit the needs for a job, or not if I don't. They don't say "We want you to lose 10 lbs and then we'll book you."

Not only is he telling her why she doesn't fit the requirements for a job she didn't sign up for, but he's also telling her to change herself for it.

Thank God for you she's just a regular girl and not an experienced model... Because girls talk so at least if you do this to her she's less likely to tell other models and set your reputation in stone.

Jan 08 13 11:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB Jen B
Posts: 2,833
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


STASIS wrote:
I want to cast her, but she needs to lose weight first.

That is my dilemma.

This is a shoot I'm planning for ~6 months from now.

I think you should not say anything and look elsewhere.

Imagine if someone contacted you and asked you...out of the blue, to work your rear off for something for six months for that you have no desire or love for. Say they asked you to give up something daily that you loved, and to get a tattoo and change your wardrobe and hairstyle and all sorts of whatever all to fit their ideal for a project in six months.

Won't work.

She is not the one.

The 'one' will come along but, it isn't this model. Asking her to change is nothing more than telling her she is not acceptable..and all for casting that she isn't even applying for.

I know, bummer but, the 'right' model should come along, happily.
Jen

Jan 08 13 11:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,833
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
Yes, that's what we're saying.

If you can use her, use her. If you can't, don't.

You aren't her agency. You aren't her mom.

It is not your place to tell someone to lose weight.

++ this,
Plus I do not see you having answered the multiple questions over if she contacted you for the shoot or if you want to contact her.
jen

wait, wait...so you are friends?

STASIS wrote:
It's not "at random", we have a working relationship.

The issue is that if she *does not* lose the weight, that relationship will be over. I can't cast her for any more projects.

So you have shot with her a lot...then what? she went and gained 25 lbs on you?
Your story is convoluted...if you cannot shoot with her any more then what they hay, then just don't. No need to make her feel miserable with your attitude. She will figure it out and if it means anything to HER then she will ask you.

Jan 08 13 11:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Lola Misfit
Posts: 1,039
Anaheim, California, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
Thank God for you she's just a regular girl and not an experienced model... Because girls talk so at least if you do this to her she's less likely to tell other models and set your reputation in stone.

Well this thread exists. It could have already raised some red flags for models that might someday work with him.

Jan 08 13 11:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


What is there to say unless she has real skinny images of herself and she shows up to your shoot looking like a three in one model. The best you can do as an Artist is to Create the best images you get and make the model feel like a wonderful model.
Jan 08 13 11:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,489
Los Angeles, California, US


Lola Misfit  wrote:

Well this thread exists. It could have already raised some red flags for models that might someday work with him.

True story.

Jan 08 13 11:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Scarlett Renee
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


STASIS wrote:
From what you're all saying, I should not only *not* cast her and give her a chance (even though she would be the best choice), but also not offer her a reason why she wasn't chosen.

Alright.

Clearly she isn't the best choice if she isn't the right weight.

If she didn't ask you for the part, it wont her hurt her to not know she wasn't chosen for something she never asked for. I mean, really...

Don't give someone an unsolicited critique of their body when they didn't ask for it.

She's a female. I can garuntee you she knows she's overweight. Pinky promise. If people want to lose weight they will do it because they want too, not because someone like you says they should.

If someone came to me and said, "Hey I love your face, I'd love to shoot you, but you need to trim up first." I would tell them to go kick bricks, because there are other people who would be happy to shoot me (and her, I'm sure) as is.

Jan 08 13 11:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,762
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


K I C K H A M wrote:
But as a general rule of thumb, don't offer reasons that weren't asked of you.

this. especially when it comes to weight or size!

OP, with 20 or so people telling you to don't tell her and cast someone else, seems like you're still planning on telling her. don't ask for advice if you're not open to what you're going to hear...

even if you do tell her and she responds professional, that's still no guarantee that you might have damaged her selfesteem and she feels like shit. don't do it!

if you enjoy shooting with her so much, keep shooting with her. just because she's bigger doesn't mean she's ugly. just not for projects where a certain size or bodytype are that important.

don't do it.

Jan 09 13 12:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hugh Alison
Posts: 2,049
Aberystwyth, Wales, United Kingdom


STASIS wrote:
I've worked with a model who has put on a lot of weight recently.

She has a beautiful face, but she is probably 25 pounds overweight. (huge gut, overflowing love handles, and too big of a bust)

I'd love to cast her for a shoot, but she won't fit the part.
__________

How can I approach this with her without seeming like an insensitive clod?

You can't.

You could try telling her that you'll be concentrating on nude and swimsuit shoots in the summer.

My advice: http://www.modelmayhem.com/browse.

Plenty of skinny chicks near you.

Jan 09 13 02:27 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


There are soooooo many reasons why she may have gained the weight but the one thing you can be sure about is that she KNOWS she's gained it. Stress, health issues, eating habits, depression, the list goes on and on.

Especially if it's 25 lbs, at this point, her jeans don't fit.

Women have a difficult time losing weight. It's just the way our bodies work, those damn hormones. It's unlikely that she'd be able to lose the weight in a short period of time, unless she does something like hCG (which for the record is amazing but SUPER hard). Perhaps she doesn't even want to.

So your dilemma has a simple solution...cast someone else. Perhaps you want to mention your concerns for her weight gain, but as far as telling her she's too "fat" to be cast for the shoot, I'd pass on that idea.
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Jojo West wrote:
There are soooooo many reasons why she may have gained the weight but the one thing you can be sure about is that she KNOWS she's gained it. Stress, health issues, eating habits, depression, the list goes on and on.

Especially if it's 25 lbs, at this point, her jeans don't fit.

Women have a difficult time losing weight. It's just the way our bodies work, those damn hormones. It's unlikely that she'd be able to lose the weight in a short period of time, unless she does something like hCG (which for the record is amazing but SUPER hard). Perhaps she doesn't even want to.

So your dilemma has a simple solution...cast someone else. Perhaps you want to mention your concerns for her weight gain, but as far as telling her she's too "fat" to be cast for the shoot, I'd pass on that idea.

Or it could even be healthy weight gain, just to point out that option.

Especially if this is someone who you shot when she was a teenager, when women age into their 20's and 30's is perfectly normal to gain weight.

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