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Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


I have been doing a lot of new things with my editing and I would like to know your opinions on these two recent photos.
If you don't like them, give it to me straight. I'm a big boy smile

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130108/21/50ed0114e3c90.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130106/22/50ea6cb437802.jpg

tips are welcome!
Jan 08 13 09:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


there we go. got the photos to show.
Jan 08 13 09:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Square Jaw Photography
Posts: 363
Odenton, Maryland, US


I love the second one. In the first photo, I don't like how blue it is. Her eyes fall flat and do not pop out. Her lips are tight and also fall flat.

I would warm the picture up in post-production, and add a thin outline to her eyes and some color on her lips. Much like the portrait below it. smile
Jan 08 13 10:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J D s Artistic Images
Posts: 72
Port Angeles, Washington, US


In my opinion (for what it is worth;-) : Both are nice shots. I like how the lighting is done.  The second one captures the models eyes very well.  I am not sure about the crop of both (My thoughts would be to crop tighter, emphasizing parts of the face or wider so you don’t cut any part of the head off)  Might have post processed the first one a bit different to create more “pop” to the image.  Keep shooting and things will keep getting better! (And, no matter how long any of us shoot, that holds true!)
Jan 09 13 12:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
E H
Posts: 655
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


Heartbar wrote:
In my opinion (for what it is worth;-) : Both are nice shots. I like how the lighting is done.  The second one captures the models eyes very well.  I am not sure about the crop of both (My thoughts would be to crop tighter, emphasizing parts of the face or wider so you don’t cut any part of the head off)  Might have post processed the first one a bit different to create more “pop” to the image.  Keep shooting and things will keep getting better! (And, no matter how long any of us shoot, that holds true!)

+1 I would only add there seems to be a disconnect in the eyes, unless that is what you wanted/looking for.
  Eyes can be very hard to work with because we look/drawn to them for signs(everyone does day after day). they tell so much happy,sad and so many more, that's what makes one of the reasons why it is hard to photograph the eyes.

Jan 09 13 12:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,891
New York, New York, US


Well the extreme close up throws me off- are you shooting above her eye line? The first one seems like the WB is off and the translucent ear lobe is not good

The second one the WB and exposure are good but again I think you could back off her face some.

Another thing to consider is the size and shape of the catch light in the eyes.  Not that I have a suggestion about that- except that the closer the shot is the more noticeable they are.

Also this close up personality is lost to some degree.

Good luck big boy!
Jan 09 13 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


Thank you guys for the great info! I pretty much agree with all of what was said. That ear is distracting for sure.
The temp on the first one was something I was aiming for, but might need to pull back it a little bit like mentioned.
Jan 09 13 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Juniper Tree Photo
Posts: 51
Piqua, Ohio, US


Whites of the eyes are way too white, and that ear is very distracting.
Jan 09 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,877
Imperial, California, US


Love the second one!:-)
Jan 09 13 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Glenn Hall - Fine Art
Posts: 450
Townsville, Queensland, Australia


In my view, both images suck.
The hair in both images has been edited away post and a false high-key background has been created. Some hair strands are pixelated where they are exposed to white high key effect and some areas have been brushed away to remove stray hairs creating a oiled hair look on the edge of the head. A quick fix for sure, but more care is needed closer to the pixel level. The tool used to select the background in post needs to be fine-tuned in order to separate the hair before anything is done, such as when creating a false high-key background.
The eyes in both look like they belong in another photo somewhere. The colour cast in the whites of the eyes have been removed, but do not match the overall colour cast present in the skin for both images. The apparent sharpness level (and contrast) of the eyes also do not match the rest of the face.
Your skin edit is great, no flaw there. You just need to blend the eyes with the rest of the face once you have finished editing the eyes.
...and when enhancing/painting in eyelashes, make sure you have eyelashes in both eyes and don't forget to check!
Hope that helps with future work.
Jan 10 13 04:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
Posts: 18,763
Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium


like the second one, ditch the first one though smile
Jan 10 13 04:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Frances Jewel
Posts: 9,149
Dayton, Ohio, US


Just a question, did you use Portrait Professional to edit these? It tends to be very heavy handed on the eyes.
Jan 10 13 08:25 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Mark wrote:
Well the extreme close up throws me off- are you shooting above her eye line? The first one seems like the WB is off and the translucent ear lobe is not good

That's what stood out to me as well in the first image. My eye is drawn right to the ear. It's even more of a dramatic change because the tones of the skin are so blue.

The hair is also edited poorly and looks chopped in post. With that said, the second image is much better than the first.

Jan 10 13 08:37 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


Glenn Hall - Fine Art wrote:
In my view, both images suck.
The hair in both images has been edited away post and a false high-key background has been created. Some hair strands are pixelated where they are exposed to white high key effect and some areas have been brushed away to remove stray hairs creating a oiled hair look on the edge of the head.

To you and everyone else that thinks I Keyed the background out.
I set the models in front of a softbox. had a second one pointed at them to fill in the light. The reason you are seeing the hair is like that is because of the light shining through. The light could have been lowered a little bit more. I agree.

Hair was not edited.
what you are seeing is the like shine/bleed through the hair.

as for the eyes in both photos. the whites were not dabbled with as well.

Jan 10 13 06:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


Frances Jewel wrote:
Just a question, did you use Portrait Professional to edit these? It tends to be very heavy handed on the eyes.

This was all made in Photoshop Cs5.5

Jan 10 13 06:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


Here is an update to the photo using all of your useful tips and recommendations

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/130110/18/50ef7948c3310.jpg
Jan 10 13 06:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J D s Artistic Images
Posts: 72
Port Angeles, Washington, US


I like your revised version much better!
Jan 10 13 07:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,355
Olney, Maryland, US


I don't care for the light shining through the ears of both.  Both have hair coming out of nowhere on camera right.

#1 has flaw on camera left lower jaw/upper chin.  Poor retouching of fly-aways on top of head.

#2 has out of focus jam-like red stuff erupting from brown gook on camera left.

Tendrils of hair are choppy.  This may be a combination of over sharpening and spill from over lit background.

I like the lighting on the faces and the skin texture.
Jan 10 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,644
New York, New York, US


much better on your revised version as far as your editing, but honestly both models expressions kill the images for me. Before even spending time on post work, work on visually editing strongest shots from the shoots when you look at your RAW files. Have the models try several different expressions, angles..etc. Both seem very posed (like they are trying too hard to follow instructions or something maybe which gives that stiff expressions and look in the eyes of "am I doing this right"). Also, once you get the shots while shooting with your posing, lighting..etc. you will spend less time later in post which will give you more time to shoot. Good luck!
Jan 10 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jessie Rand
Posts: 42
Sacramento, California, US


Charlie-CNP wrote:
much better on your revised version as far as your editing, but honestly both models expressions kill the images for me. Before even spending time on post work, work on visually editing strongest shots from the shoots when you look at your RAW files. Have the models try several different expressions, angles..etc. Both seem very posed (like they are trying too hard to follow instructions or something maybe which gives that stiff expressions and look in the eyes of "am I doing this right"). Also, once you get the shots while shooting with your posing, lighting..etc. you will spend less time later in post which will give you more time to shoot. Good luck!

+1 to you and Mark.

Will come up with a update soon.

Jan 10 13 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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