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Looknsee Photography
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Report: Apple may build less expensive iPhone.

Apple has had a great run for the past decade or so, and I'm very happy that I was able to ride that wave (I bought stock when it was
Jan 09 13 02:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
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You may be right, but then again, you may be wrong.
Jan 09 13 02:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Christopher Hartman
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What Fun Productions wrote:
You may be right, but then again, you may be wrong.

you might be right.  But you might be wrong.

Jan 09 13 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Section 008
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why couldnt they keep innovating?
Jan 09 13 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Skydancer Photos
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Section 008 wrote:
why couldnt they keep innovating?

The original iPhone was extremely innovative, but other products eventually caught up.

iF the rumored iTV comes out as rumored, i'M sure iT will iNvigorate the iFans.  wink

Jan 09 13 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
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Christopher Hartman wrote:

you might be right.  But you might be wrong.

I disagree.

Jan 09 13 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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KeithDewey3
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Slower growth may be coming but growth of any kind is still a reason to be invested.  Putting your money in any fixed investment type will earn a person less than 1% interest.  8 or 10 % is still a good earnings.
Jan 09 13 03:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brian Diaz
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Christopher Hartman wrote:

you might be right.  But you might be wrong.

You may be right.  I may be crazy.  But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.

Jan 09 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kev Lawson
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Brian Diaz wrote:

You may be right.  I may be crazy.  But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.

Since I knew this was by Billy Joel, does that make me old? hmm

Jan 09 13 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Skydancer Photos
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UltimateAppeal wrote:

Since I knew this was by Billy Joel, does that make me old? hmm

may be...

Jan 09 13 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Legacys 7
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The Zone
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Stocks are strange.  You could have doubled your money if you bought and sold your Rim stock recently.  That right there is a lesson about the stock market.  I am giving up my iPhone and probably replacing my Blackberry Torch with a Blackbery 10 (which actually has a better screen and hardware than the iPhone 5) and still use it with the Playbook.  I will be upgrading my workstations and will probably go to touch screens and go with Windows 8 or 9 (whatever they call it).  I will probably go with the Surface Pro version along with a Windows 8 Phone.   No Apple anywhere.  I have had cell phones since 1991 starting with a Motorola Flip which was "the" phone to have.  Then to various Blackberrys and iPhone. I think Microsoft may get this right from small business.  Apple is too expensive for most businesses.  How can you justify the profit margin of an Apple vs a Dell for multiple workstation companies?  Anyway that is my 2 cents.   

Remember Motorola and Blackberry.  Apple will be no different.
Jan 09 13 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jason Haven
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Until their revenue numbers start slacking, I'm not prepared to call for Apple's demise, no matter what the analysts say. They've never been a company that really cared about complete market control, they generally care more about making profit.
Jan 09 13 03:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nate Wood
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I can't say I disagree with you on this. I felt that when Steve Jobs passed, that the innovation we once saw would start to decline. I think that the ipad mini would of never been released under his watch. He was all against fragmentation of product lines, and furthering the sales cannibalization of a already sustained product line like the ipad. Now we are seeing this happen first hand with the ipad and the ipad mini.

After reading his biography it was clear with out his famous "reality distortion field", and his strive for perfection in every facet, that things would be different. I really hope to see this Apple TV that he was speaking of, saying he finally cracked the code for the perfect TV. I think if this is so, and Apple releases this TV, it will be a game changer. Just like the iphone and the ipad changed the landscape of cell phones and personal computing. This TV could change the landscape of how we view and interact with media. Steve Jobs plan was to create a whole new way of seamless media interaction using portable and home devices combined with the icloud services. I think this TV would be key in bringing this vision to life.

With all that being said, I think this next year will be very telling on if they are going to continue to innovate, or just compete.
Jan 09 13 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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California Girls Skate
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The iPod, iPhone, iPad, iPadMini and iTouch are all the exact same thing!

http://i.qkme.me/3rmsgt.jpg
Jan 09 13 03:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
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Apple market leadership? You mean like how they invented personal media players, smartphones and tablet computers? Oh right, they didn't any of those.

But they invented the computer mouse and graphical, windows computing! Oh no, right, that was Xerox.

What has apple invented? You can domminate a market without leadership - american cars of the 70s, 80's, 90's, etc showed that. To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.
Jan 09 13 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Let There Be Light
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Looknsee Photography wrote:
The above mentioned article is an indication that Apple is shifting from being innovative to being competitive.  When you set the market, you can charge a lot of money; when the competition catches up, you often have to lower price (and costs to manufacture) in order to stay competitive

You completely misread this article.  It's not just Apple whos smartphone are too expensive for emerging markets. Al of the major provider have phones priced in same range for thier premiere products.  Apparently you missed the announcement by Intel at CES of a new lost cost Atom processor targeted for the value smart phone market where cost is an issue and suppliers will look to phone OS platforms where they don't have to pay a hefty license fee, cutting Windows phones out of this market and leaving it to Android and iOS unless Microsoft decides to build its own phone since that approach has worked so well with the Surface RT.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/inte … -hands-on/

Jan 09 13 04:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peter Claver
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Looknsee Photography wrote:
Report: Apple may build less expensive iPhone.

Apple has had a great run for the past decade or so, and I'm very happy that I was able to ride that wave (I bought stock when it was
Jan 09 13 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
Posts: 20,129
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Robb Mann wrote:
Apple market leadership? You mean like how they invented personal media players, smartphones and tablet computers? Oh right, they didn't any of those.

But they invented the computer mouse and graphical, windows computing! Oh no, right, that was Xerox.

What has apple invented? You can domminate a market without leadership - american cars of the 70s, 80's, 90's, etc showed that. To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

Apple doesn't innovate????

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan 09 13 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann
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What Fun Productions wrote:

Apple doesn't innovate????

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that compelling arguement certainly put me in my place...

Jan 09 13 04:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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GCobb Photography
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DILLIGAF
Jan 09 13 04:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Looknsee Photography wrote:
So, I'm seeing signs that Apple's glorious ride is plateau-ing out, and I still think I'll sell some of my Apple stock if it peaks in the mid-600s.  You can do whatever your want with your investments, of course.

rather than just the market price being the determining factor to buy-sell-hold, you should be watching the comparisons in pe-ratio from the other competitive/tech driven companies out there. 

following a peak high in '09, apple has remained pretty steady in earnings.  from a valuation perspective, even with a stock price drop down to as low as $575 through a sell-off, their earnings will remain strong which could mean a buying opportunity rather than selling.

Jan 09 13 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
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Let There Be Light
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Robb Mann wrote:
Apple market leadership? You mean like how they invented personal media players, smartphones and tablet computers? Oh right, they didn't any of those.

But they invented the computer mouse and graphical, windows computing! Oh no, right, that was Xerox.

What has apple invented? You can domminate a market without leadership - american cars of the 70s, 80's, 90's, etc showed that. To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

And how well did Xerox do with their market leadership in the GUI market with the Alto and the Star? And the millions Xerox made by inventing Ethernet? Oh, right that was 3Com.  And how about the billions made by all those other makers of portable music players and smartphones before Apple created the market with MP3 players and smartphones that people actually wanted to buy.

Coming up with an idea is great but you also need to develop it into a product that has a market.  Xerox found out there was no mass market for a $10,000 graphic comptuing workstation (as Apple learned with LISA) but there was a market for a $2500 version with useful apps.

Jan 09 13 04:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Giacomo Cirrincioni
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Robb Mann wrote:
Apple market leadership? You mean like how they invented personal media players, smartphones and tablet computers? Oh right, they didn't any of those.

But they invented the computer mouse and graphical, windows computing! Oh no, right, that was Xerox.

What has apple invented? You can domminate a market without leadership - american cars of the 70s, 80's, 90's, etc showed that. To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

You must be a tech geek...

What good was Xerox' invention to Xerox - they had no idea what to do with it...

Jan 09 13 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
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impossible to keep their growth? no doubt

growth has nothing to do with how much they are actually making. They make $10 billion in 3 month, growth means they need to make $20 billion over the next 3 months.

I agree with the OP, its unlikely


But if they make another $10 billion, or $8 billion, or $12 billion, and its actually pretty damn good. Let their stock convulse over growth prospects, but the more money they keep in the bank, the higher the stock will go. The short term speculator might not see a $750 share price anytime soon, but they'll have $200 billion in the bank regardless
Jan 09 13 05:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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GCobb Photography
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Did anyone forget that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were in the first OS together?

Oh and Apple has files multitudes of patent lawsuits saying they were the innovators.  Many of them have held up.
Jan 09 13 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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What Fun Productions
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Apple now pays dividends.
Jan 09 13 05:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
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GCobb Photography wrote:
Did anyone forget that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were in the first OS together?

Oh and Apple has files multitudes of patent lawsuits saying they were the innovators.  Many of them have held up.

they filed multitudes of patent lawsuits saying they owned the rights to the innovation

the semantics are very important, as rights can be bought, sold, traded, co-owned, licensed, sublicensed and crosslicensed, as well as created.

Jan 09 13 05:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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JJMiller
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To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

Apple's biggest innovations have been in software, and more importantly user friendliness. There is a reason why Mark Shuttleworth wants to make Ubuntu as good as MacOS- MacOS, and iOS, are both really good- as in a computer your mom can use good. Sadly, it looks like MacOS peaked at around 10.4, but still- imovie, garage band, iweb, these apps revolutionized the user experience. Look at Microsoft's recent offerings, Outlook 2010 is a bloated nightmare, IE still sucks. Safari is probably faster than Firefox. Apple makes good shit, it's hard to dispute that. My first gen Macbook will play the most scratched up DVDs. It's a nice operating system. I feel though, with Steve Job's passing, this will all change for the worse. People can bad mouth Apple stuff, but the reality is that they make a nice product. For the sake of honesty I've been using Apple stuff from 8.6 to 10.6, but have been using Linux mostly for the past 3 years, and begrudgingly use Windows XP at work.

Jan 09 13 06:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
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Kingston, Ontario, Canada


What Fun Productions wrote:
Apple doesn't innovate????

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robb Mann wrote:
Well, that compelling arguement certainly put me in my place...

What they are good at is patenting prior art.

Like this windmill to heat thingy that was around in the 70's (did that in high school chemistry class) and the attached "boil a working fluid" and run it through a turbine hardware setup. (I'm sure the GE and Siemens patents on basic gas turbine generator sets mostly expired half a century ago - heck the building in Toronto where GE used to build turbine generators was demolished decades ago)

http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/12/ … lectricity



from 1982
http://www.google.com/patents/US4421967 … &q&f=false

Summary of the invention
"provides a means and source of heat directly from the rotation of a windmill drive shaft"

Jan 09 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Robb Mann wrote:
To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

nothing can be further from the truth. 

i suggest you read "the macintosh way" by guy kawasaki.  then, take a few minutes to absorb how that applies still today in the thinking applied by apple toward advancing technology with the mechanics of intuitive design.

it's one thing to slam apple, but to do so without recognizing how they have pioneered innovations, whether theirs or others, in how technology is used is limited thinking on your part.

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Michael Bots
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Patent trolls want $1,000—for using scanners
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013 … -scanners/

"He said, if you hook up a scanner and e-mail a PDF document—we have a patent that covers that as a process."   Pay up!
Jan 09 13 06:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wolfstar Studio
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Section 008 wrote:
why couldnt they keep innovating?

Because Steve Jobs is dead. Apple will soon follow. Apple WAS Steve Jobs. When he was forced out Apple when down the tubes. If it wasn't for Microsoft buying them out and FORCING them to take Jobs back they'd have died a decade ago. Now that he's dead and Bill Gates retired, it's all over. They just don't know it yet.

Jan 09 13 06:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wolfstar Studio
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UltimateAppeal wrote:
Since I knew this was by Billy Joel, does that make me old? hmm

Nope, it means your AWESOME!

Jan 09 13 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wolfstar Studio
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Cross Roads, Texas, US


Robb Mann wrote:
Apple market leadership? You mean like how they invented personal media players, smartphones and tablet computers? Oh right, they didn't any of those.

But they invented the computer mouse and graphical, windows computing! Oh no, right, that was Xerox.

What has apple invented? You can domminate a market without leadership - american cars of the 70s, 80's, 90's, etc showed that. To lead a market you have to be a pioneer and innovator. Apple has not done that. Ever.

borat Finally, somebody gets it.

Jan 09 13 06:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wolfstar Studio
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Let There Be Light wrote:
You completely misread this article.  It's not just Apple whos smartphone are too expensive for emerging markets. Al of the major provider have phones priced in same range for thier premiere products.

No they don't. Everyone else is about half the price of an Apple, with more capability. I went to Best Buy to look at the IPad some friends were raving about. However, as it turns out every other pad in the store was at worst half the price. Further research shows they are also far more capable with many, MANY more apps available because Android is an open operating system that anyone can write apps for. Apple will NEVER do that because the company has always been too arrogant to allow anyone access. This is also why Windows has been kicking their butts since day one.

Jan 09 13 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wolfstar Studio
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Peter Claver wrote:
So.. in the USA... with only 3 models.. they managed to outsell all other smartphone makers *combined* in that sales period.  Certainly this is largely due to huge sales of the iPhone 5 which was released in the middle of that survey period. But that's certainly not the whole story.

No, the rest of the story is that Apple's greatest contribution to computers, and it's only real innovation, was marketing. Steve Jobs created a cult of true believers. The Apple freaks will buy ANYTHING Apple offers and just gobble it up with abandon, all evidence that they are getting an inferior product to the contrary. It's the same thing with designer fashions. There's very little difference between those and stuff you can get at any department store and even Walmart, except the logo. Aeropostale is a PERFECT example. All they do is take $10 generic shirts and slap the word Aeropostale on it and jack the price. People gobble it up. When it comes to computers, slap an apple on the back and you double the price.

Jan 09 13 06:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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jesse paulk
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California Girls Skate wrote:
The iPod, iPhone, iPad, iPadMini and iTouch are all the exact same thing!

http://i.qkme.me/3rmsgt.jpg

Jan 09 13 07:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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JJMiller
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You say this anti Apple stuff, but I assume you've never owned an Apple product. It may me underpowered, it may be less of a value, but it's NICER. Again, I use Linux these days, but I've seen all sides. I love Linux, but I still use my macbook on occasion because it simply does some things better. From what I've seen, Windows is third, Mac and Linux are in a tie for first. Win has gaming (DirectX) and corporate software keeping it alive, but that's about it.
Jan 09 13 07:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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GCobb Photography
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R A V E N D R I V E wrote:

they filed multitudes of patent lawsuits saying they owned the rights to the innovation

the semantics are very important, as rights can be bought, sold, traded, co-owned, licensed, sublicensed and crosslicensed, as well as created.

We can tell that to the courts that awarded them the win. smile

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