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Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


Doing a TRADE shoot for Pics is just that Pics meaning a few or just one picture. You would really have to establish what you will be getting from the photographer you are doing the trade with before shooting with them. I try give out as many images as i can to please the models for doing a fair trade with me. But you must understand that they may not want you to see images that are out of focus not croped or just bad images that may go in the whole bunch of images they shot of you while on that trade. A model can see an image and say oh that looks cute i want that and a photographer will look at that same image from a photographer point of view and say "Nope" that is a bad image. You must work thies details out before hand or else your gonna end up with just a few images. The proccess is very hard and if the photographer has to go through about 200 images and pick out the best from the trade and then have make out a cd for you and mail it out it is a lot of work.

Next time you show up to a TRADE shoot have a USB Flashdrive about 4 gigs or so and and ask if they can down load all of the images for you. Now i must advice you not always will that work because if a photographer is shooting RAW rather than JPEG images he will not give you his or her RAW files that would be the same as if i was shoot film and gave you the roll of film then what would i have for my self.
Jan 10 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AgX
Posts: 1,221
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Next time you show up to a TRADE shoot have a USB Flashdrive about 4 gigs or so and and ask if they can down load all of the images for you. Now i must advice you not always will that work because if a photographer is shooting RAW rather than JPEG images he will not give you his or her RAW files that would be the same as if i was shoot film and gave you the roll of film then what would i have for my self.

I wholeheartedly disagree with "showing up" with something not previously agreed upon. Not a flash drive, not a new hair style, not a tattoo, not an escort, not an expectation. In my opinion, if it’s important enough for you to bring along, it’s important enough to discuss in detail well in advance of agreeing to do the TF (or any other) shoot.

Jan 10 13 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,482
Muncie, Indiana, US


I am happy if I get one great image. If I get several I am on cloud nine. If someone doesn't give you a fair amount(according to YOUR definition) don't work with them again. It's really that simple.
Jan 10 13 01:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Next time you show up to a TRADE shoot have a USB Flashdrive about 4 gigs or so and and ask if they can down load all of the images for you. Now i must advice you not always will that work because if a photographer is shooting RAW rather than JPEG images he will not give you his or her RAW files that would be the same as if i was shoot film and gave you the roll of film then what would i have for my self.

This would be a GREAT way to get sent home if you bring it up at the beginning, or to cause a conflict if you bring it up at the end.  Some photographers will give "all the images" if requested in advance.  Probably very few who don't offer it will be please to have the model bring a thumb drive and just expect to get them.

Personally, if I was comfortable with the model, I might give her the proofs on the thumb drive.  But she'd need to wait the 4-6 hours it takes me to get a proof set ready, assuming I don't have other commitments.

Jan 10 13 02:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,364
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


L Bass wrote:
It depends entirely on the photographer. If I'm shooting TF for 2-3 hours with a skilled model, I will typically put 10-20 shots on a CD and mail it to the model, if she's not local. I put high-res shots on there and I will include a folder called 'Web Ready' which are all the same shots reduced in size for web use. That's just me.

I shoot for the love of photography and creating unique images that (I hope) will benefit the model. In return, I use the model to as a 'guinea pig' to experiment with different lighting, angles, camera settings, etc. Sometimes I say 'Wow!' And sometimes I say 'Oops, you won't like that one.' Again... that's just me.

To me... 'trade work' is just that. You give me your best as a model and I will give you my best as a photographer.

this is the closest to what I do that I have seen on MM. I also use a model agreement that defines a time schedule for the model to receive images from the date of the shoot.

Jan 10 13 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
safe as houses
Posts: 435
Schaumburg, Illinois, US


IsabelH wrote:

Laura UnBound wrote:
FYI: No Nudity- Don't bother asking.

Also, I will almost always have a friend/escort with me. They will not interfere with the shoot. They are there for my comfort and support.


https://www.facebook.com/izzyhowmodel/info

Will your escort almost not interfere with the shoot?

Jan 10 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 27,408
Dearborn, Michigan, US


IsabelH wrote:
Thanks! I would never want 100 pictures I think 10-15 is a decent number...right?  Thanks for the advice!

I changed my basic info on my page to say this....


I love meeting and working with new photographers. I love taking pictures and being creative with others! So far, I have had some great experiences and met some great photographers!!


Feel free to message me if you would like to set up a photo shoot. I love being creative and having a good time! lets make some awesome pictures!!

Please include the following in your message if you would like to shoot:
1. The idea/theme you would like to do
2. The location
3. When you are available so that we can pick a good day!
4. The number of photos I can expect from the shoot.

smile Thanks!

FYI: No Nudity- Don't bother asking.

Also, I will almost always have a friend/escort with me. They will not interfere with the shoot. They are there for my comfort and support.


https://www.facebook.com/izzyhowmodel/info

Uh Oh!  I will never shoot with you.

Jan 10 13 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
River Art
Posts: 74
Kansas City, Kansas, US


I always provide 2-3 (at least) images of each look. These are normally sent to the model on a CD with 2 folders, one full size and one web-ready. I get those out within a week or so. Maybe I just have more time than most folks. Or maybe I'm not as talented. I normally pay gas money to the TF* model as well.
Jan 10 13 02:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,864
Olivet, Michigan, US


River Art wrote:
I always provide 2-3 (at least) images of each look. These are normally sent to the model on a CD with 2 folders, one full size and one web-ready. I get those out within a week or so. Maybe I just have more time than most folks. Or maybe I'm not as talented. I normally pay gas money to the TF* model as well.

I don't give full res files to models, I want to control the quality of the prints, and for my art work, I want to control QUANTITY as well. 

And, don't give "x images per look" because I don't know how to count "looks."

Is this three looks?  She certainly didn't need, or want, nine images in that one location, not counting other clothing combinations we might have shot there.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100729/20/4c5244067acd3_m.jpg

Jan 10 13 02:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


NYMPH wrote:
The same way you politely ask for anything, with a please, a thank you, and some good manners. Oftentimes photographers will be understanding. Yes, things should be discussed before hand, but in the real world, that doesn't always happen.

I also have instances where the photographer will pick a couple of shots that are good for their port, but it's different from what I would have wanted. At that point, I might ask if I can see some of the unedited and select one or two for my port. I might also make a specific request, like, 'one of the headshots with this look where I made xyz expression'. A lot of photographers are understanding, especially if you're polite and not demanding. Saying, "Hey, yo, where are all my 100 edited pictures at you lazy pig!" doesn't get the same results.

This is great advice. Very tactful and thoughtful.

Jan 10 13 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Garry k
Posts: 26,984
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Next time you show up to a TRADE shoot have a USB Flashdrive about 4 gigs or so and and ask if they can down load all of the images for you. Now i must advice you not always will that work because if a photographer is shooting RAW rather than JPEG images he will not give you his or her RAW files that would be the same as if i was shoot film and gave you the roll of film then what would i have for my self.

Sometimes this is the easiest way especially if the model is not local

Jan 10 13 11:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


I have a list of things to talk to a photographer about before I shoot with him, in case I forget to ask. One of those things is how many images can I expect to receive, and in what amount of time. When checking his references, I ask the models the same questions. If there is a difference between what the photographer told me and what the references said, I don't shoot with him. If he ignores my questions even after I ask him the same question more than once (to be sure he didn't overlook it or forget) then I don't shoot with him.

Honestly you are lucky he showed you any of the unedited images. A lot of photographers don't do that.

Many, many, many times the photographer will only pick the pictures HE likes from the shoot and edit those. If he can't use them in his port then to him, the rest of the pics are useless. If you see something you love love love ask him to edit it for you in the nicest way possible and he may do it. Just know that if its not a photo that the photographer loves or he thinks its not his best work, he won't do it. That photo is his reputation and if he edits something for you that he doesn't feel is his best work then he is putting his reputation on the line. They say you are only as good as your worst photo.


I've worked with a lot of photographers who only give out web sized images, and neeever without a watermark because they don't want people ripping off their work. If you want prints you will have to pay for them through the photographer's printer. I never ask for prints but sometimes the photographer is nice enough to give me one or two for my book. If you are putting together a book (hard copy portfolio that you carry with you to go sees, casting calls that take place in person, etc) ask if they will provide you with a print in the trade agreement. Just know that you RARELY will get more than one print. I think the standard size for a book is 8x10 but I've heard of some people only giving 4x6. I'm not agency represented and I gave up on trying to make a book so don't take my word for it. lol!
Jan 10 13 11:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Grafanovitchi
Posts: 572
San Marcos, California, US


She/He gets 5 fully retouched images max.
Jan 10 13 11:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Or maybe what you thought was good enough, they didn't. Ive done shoots where EVERYTHING looks great in-camera, but when I got home and pulled up the photos on the computer something was off in most if not all of them. Sometimes something goes wrong, on either end.

This has happened to me as well. Even when looking on a monitor and I guess in the afterglow of the shoot I see alllll these great images. Then when I get home and look with a critical eye I see issues here and there that would make it bad for my port.

Jan 10 13 11:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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Scarlett Renee
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


IsabelH wrote:

I try to make sure they are! But it seems some people bullcrap you!

Is there a polite way to ask for the images?

and if so....what on avg do you think is a fair number?

Isabel, here's my experience with TF and what I personally find to be fair with trades.

I almost always sign a release and more often than not, what I will recieve in return is clearly stated in the agreement I sign. Something like, "Model will recieve x amount of retouched photos by x date." I very rarely have to ask what I'm getting anymore, as I tend to work with people who have been around for a while and let me know right away "This is what I give models." If I dont get that just a simple question of what and make sure it's clearly understood before confirming the shoot. Its also good to ask if you get to choose the photos or if the photorapher will, or if it will be a joint effort. This saves you having to ask awkward questions later.

If you do this and still aren't getting anything, a polite message like "Hello x, just following up with our shoot. How are the images coming along? I am excited to see them!" should work. Anyone with a couple brain cells to rub together will get the hint, and usually they'll let you know whats up. If they dont, you aren't going to see those images anyways, and you should move along. Never badger the photographer multiple times in a week. It gets obnoxious and just pisses people off.

I expect to be given the best shot of each look. One. Photo. Two is my preference, and it's nice to have some input into what shots I'm choosing. At the very least - "Please NOT this one". Some photographers I've worked with let me go over the photos right after the shoot and I point out the ones I particularily like, and Ill end up with a couple edits from those. Others upload proofs, give me a password and I get to pick the photo I'd like to have edited. A couple of photographers I work with have become friends and we do so well that I just let them go for it, and whatever I end up getting in my inbox is what I get and I always like it.

Anything more than 5 from one look unless the posing is just really special, is too much in my opinion. I use to think it was super cool to get a shit ton of photos. Now I have loads of crappy pics all over the internet. hmm You want to show only the best, so asking for a bunch of photos from one shoot is pointless if you only need the best for your book. 1-3 of the strongest images per look is fair, I think.

Things I NEVER expect from a photographer for free:
A CD of all the images
High Res w/o watermarks
Rights to commercial use of the photos

Hope it helps!

Jan 10 13 11:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Damianne wrote:
One useable photo is a good number for TF shoots.
Anything more is nice, but you're only ever going to want to use one at a time, so more is just options.

When you TF, you're trading for one image.

But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?

Is it then reasonable to say, "Hi. I love the picture you sent me. I also really, really loved this other picture and I was just wondering why it didn't make the final cut. I really think that it could have really added something special to my port so I am curious what was wrong with it that I didn't see."

Or something along those lines.

Jan 10 13 11:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
A model can see an image and say oh that looks cute i want that and a photographer will look at that same image from a photographer point of view and say "Nope" that is a bad image.

This too.

Models get personally attached to a certain pose or facial expression that they feel was stellar but maybe a leg or arm looks wonky or there is an issue with focus or lighting or any number of things. There have been times when I looked 100% amazing but the light was screwed up or there was a car going by so the photographer trashed the whole picture. Its gonna happen. It sucks but you keep shooting. You see "Omg I worked so hard to get into that pose and I nailed it! Yay!" But the photographer sees "The shadow of that tree branch is on her stomach and its visually distracting. Circular file."

Also the images I LOVED when I first started modeling, I am almost ashamed of now.

Jan 10 13 11:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


River Art wrote:
I always provide 2-3 (at least) images of each look. These are normally sent to the model on a CD with 2 folders, one full size and one web-ready. I get those out within a week or so. Maybe I just have more time than most folks. Or maybe I'm not as talented. I normally pay gas money to the TF* model as well.

These are the trade shoots I love. 2-3 images means he took the time to be very discerning and only pick the best of the best, yet it gives me an option of what to put in my port based on my needs.

Gas money is sooooo appreciated and never expected! I've done trade with people who've bought me lunch or dinner as well which is also very, very, very sweet.

Jan 10 13 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Scarlett Renee
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:

But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?

Is it then reasonable to say, "Hi. I love the picture you sent me. I also really, really loved this other picture and I was just wondering why it didn't make the final cut. I really think that it could have really added something special to my port so I am curious what was wrong with it that I didn't see."

Or something along those lines.

I think this is where communication prior to the shoot is key. If you have a specific need in mind, be sure to communicate that with the photographer. For instance "I have a lot of mid thigh infront of seamless, so what I'm looking for is something full body, perhaps location." Since it's a trade, you should be shooting some for you, and some for the photographer. Even if the photographer wants to shoot midthigh on seamless, he now knows what you need and since it's trade, will shoot some full body for you, too.

If you never discuss these things prior to the shoot, it's not fair to go back later to the photographer and ask for shots he never knew you really wanted to get. To me it's kind of like the photographer never establishing a wardrobe expectation with the model, the model shows up with bikinis, and he gets upset because he wanted to shoot lingerie.

It's also a part of knowing what you're getting into with the photographer, making sure his work is really something you want. TF is always going to be a game of chance, so being a little picky is always a good thing. I know it can be hard to be picky when you are first starting and dont have a very big book. I've been there, trust me. You just have to remember that you get what you pay for and that sometimes TF shoots are going to be a total waste. It's a learning experience. Even after doing this for two years I have shoots that are total washes. Sh*t happens. And remember there are going to be times when you are the disspointment for the photgrapher, and he'll think that TF was just a total waste of time.

Not saying you can't politely ask for something later. I think it's perfectly acceptable as long as its a reasonable request. You just might not get it, is all, and it's time to move on.

And as always, if you really need to have control over the product you get, pay for it.

Jan 10 13 11:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Scarlett Renee
Posts: 217
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:
Also the images I LOVED when I first started modeling, I am almost ashamed of now.

+1

Oh, god. Yup.

Jan 10 13 11:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bearz Images
Posts: 816
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Last week's model I gave her a 100+ edited images, usually its only 6 hi-res images for a TFP shoot.
Jan 10 13 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,875
Seattle, Washington, US


50 nicely retouched images + cookies, a massage, and a puppy to take home.  big_smile

Seriously though, if I get 2 amazing images out of a TF shoot, it was worth it.  That being said, I would prefer 5-10 amazing images, but that's just not always possible, or realistic.  If I only get a few images back, and none of them are usable, I usually ask if I can see a contact sheet, or if the photographer can send low res images via dropbox so I can pick at least 1-2 more that I can actually use.
Jan 10 13 11:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Next time you show up to a TRADE shoot have a USB Flashdrive about 4 gigs or so and and ask if they can down load all of the images for you. Now i must advice you not always will that work because if a photographer is shooting RAW rather than JPEG images he will not give you his or her RAW files that would be the same as if i was shoot film and gave you the roll of film then what would i have for my self.

Just about the worst advice ever in this scenario. sad

Not least of which is the technical side of this:

Not all photographers tether direct to a computer in the studio, preferring to edit and retouch at their leisure, so how exactly do you propose to transfer files (regardless of whether they're shot in RAW, JPEG or TIFF) from the camera to a USB stick?

And if they did, they'd probably still tell the model to politely F*** Off...

Once and for all: discuss requirements beforehand, get it in writing, stick to the agreement.

Jan 11 13 03:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:
But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?

Is it then reasonable to say, "Hi. I love the picture you sent me. I also really, really loved this other picture and I was just wondering why it didn't make the final cut. I really think that it could have really added something special to my port so I am curious what was wrong with it that I didn't see."

Or something along those lines.

If it's a picture of her back, the photographer is a moron and it's going to be a really long teeth pulling process to get something useable.

Like I said, "one useable photo".
If it's identical to something she already has, and it's not better than what she already has, she made a really bad TF decision. If it's better, then she gets to replace something with something better, which is the point of portfolio development.

But yes, communication is always reasonable. Expectations that you're going to TF with a photographer and they'll create a whole gallery show of finished images for you is not.
I've never actually received just one image from a shoot, not even from this shoot.

Jan 11 13 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Ed Woodson Photography wrote:
The first time you worked with him and he didn't send you images..... Shame on Him.

The second time you worked with him and didn't send you images.....  Shame on you.

If you didn't get what you felt was satisfactory the first time you shot with this photographer, why did you think the second time would be different?

+1

There is nothing more infuriating that working with someone TF and not getting what you agreed upon. Any photographer that I've worked with that hasn't delivered what was agreed upon the first time, doesn't get a second time. It's poor work ethic. A model gets a bad rep if she cancels, shows up late, doesn't pose well. A photographer should get an equally bad rep for not keeping his word, but many times they excuse it with "well I'm busy with paid work" or something like that. Well then you never work with them again because you already know they have poor work ethic and don't keep their word.

^^^ that was a rant, I'm still waiting for images from two photographers...since November.

Jan 11 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AgX
Posts: 1,221
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Jordan L Duncan wrote:
But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?
Damianne wrote:
If it's a picture of her back, the photographer is a moron and it's going to be a really long teeth pulling process to get something useable.

I know what you’re trying to say, but the generalizations are a bit harsh. Just because it isn’t something that you particularly want for your portfolio doesn’t mean it isn’t useable to others or the photographer is a moron.

All TF shoots, each image is currently in the respective model’s portfolio. All where the model is not particularly identifiable in the photograph:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121209/10/50c4dc93d116c_m.jpg http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121230/11/50e0986c928be_m.jpg
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/23892076 18+

Jan 11 13 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


AgX wrote:

Jordan L Duncan wrote:
But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?

I know what you’re trying to say, but the generalizations are a bit harsh. Just because it isn’t something that you particularly want for your portfolio doesn’t mean it isn’t useable to others or the photographer is a moron.

All TF shoots, each image is currently in the respective model’s portfolio. All where the model is not particularly identifiable in the photograph:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121209/10/50c4dc93d116c_m.jpg http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121230/11/50e0986c928be_m.jpg
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/23892076 18+

This is on my wall: http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/26235152 (18+)
The whole shoot was just to create this image and nothing else, and I helped with the concept development because I like it: http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/26471502 (18+)
This was (and will be again) in my portfolio before I downgraded: http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/28778178 (18+)


I was just kind of accepting the assumption that it's a useless back photo, but point taken.

Jan 11 13 08:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


AgX wrote:

Jordan L Duncan wrote:
But what if its almost identical to what she already has? A similar pose or facial expression or whatever? Or God forbid a picture of her back and you can't even tell who it is?

I know what you’re trying to say, but the generalizations are a bit harsh. Just because it isn’t something that you particularly want for your portfolio doesn’t mean it isn’t useable to others or the photographer is a moron.

All TF shoots, each image is currently in the respective model’s portfolio. All where the model is not particularly identifiable in the photograph:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121209/10/50c4dc93d116c_m.jpg http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/121230/11/50e0986c928be_m.jpg
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/23892076 18+

Going purely off of what the OP said I assumed that she meant its a picture of her back and she's positioned in a way that you can't see not only her face but other distinguishable features, since she said you can't tell its her. In the images you've shown I imagine that if I knew the person I would be able to tell it was her just based off the shape of her body, hairstyle, etc. And the images are beautiful and I think many models would be proud to include them in their portfolios. I think its fine to receive an image like this if its of high quality and there's nothing like it in the portfolio already.

Jan 11 13 09:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


291 wrote:
quality over quantity. 

i've never understood tf* as a numbers thing.  a fair trade is a stellar effort and result by both parties.  if only (1) image per look falls into that category the trade is more fair than a dozen falling into the mediocre pile.

+1

Jan 11 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dan OMell
Posts: 1,335
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


what?! two sessions, each about 2 hours, about 4 (FOUR) HOURS TOTAL. A LOT OF IMAGES, and just one closeup of her ass comes out?

it's not TF*, it's a derision and disrespect to a model's time.
look at the model and her port. he is a dick.

anybody who comments about quality over quantity is delusional.
do you assume it should be not 4 hours, but 200 hours, 2000 hours and then the image gonna be in Louvre or something?

I would personally kick this "too busy" "photographer" in the nuts. hard.
for 2 hours. 2000000 times. he deserves it.
Jan 11 13 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Laura UnBound wrote:
Dont just "omg I love all your work lets do some of that" and leave it up to them.

Instead "I really love your work, especially the head shots, I could seriously use something like that if youre open to shoot a few with me, along with whatever else you had in mind"

Youve expressed what YOU need done.

Exactly! I try to promote a total pre-shoot "collaboration" for each photoshoot, because it results in better images when both the model and the photographer are enthused and "invested" in the shoot...

But, it is SO difficult these days to find a model that really wants to spend the effort to get mentally "invested" in the pre-shoot planning. I have found I have to go with more mature (older) models to get that type of involvement and attention span, or, I have to -try- to develop the collaboration during the shoot itself. Too many models just want to show up and leave the creativity to the photographer alone. This results in LESS quality and less "connected" images.

My typical photoshoot is about 2hrs, and results in me providing the model with 15-20 "finished-best" images. (in both Print and reduced Internet resolution JPEGS)...and the model knows what she's getting because we agree (during the shoot itself) which are the best (as they happen) on the back of the camera. When the exceptional images come up, I walk over and show the model...so, she sees pretty much what she's getting before we finish the shoot, and we don't finish shooting until we are both happy.

VERY simple, and she get's the "finished" (edited) 15-20 "best" images (dropboxed) in less than 24hrs after the shoot.

It takes me about +/- 2hrs to crop/lightly edit those 15-20 images, and I think that's a very fair trade for the +/- 2hrs the model spent getting ready and travelling to the shoot.

Jan 11 13 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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photo212grapher
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If you want a high number of images from a shoot, get that written in the release as your part of your compensation.

Some photographers do not want to release unedited images. It reflects poorly on them. But they will give you a copy of those they edit. Keep in mind, the photographer may have higher standards and think he did a crappy job on your shoot, and does not want those released with his name. In this case, he'll not any edit for publication. Or you might only get a couple that met his standards.

You can specify in your contract that you require a high quality JPEG image of X by Y pixels for any image to be published or sold anywhere. Then if he only gives you one or two but he posts in his portfolio more or different, you can lay claim to the additional images.

Many models who have certain expectations never get a copy of the agreement for themselves. Make sure you do unless you've work with them before or trust them based on reputation.
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