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Vivus Hussein Denuo
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New York, New York, US


"2012 was the warmest year on record in the contiguous United States, according to scientists with The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

Also:

"July [2012] was the hottest month ever on record in the contiguous U.S."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 … treme?lite

I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims.  Warmest year ever and warmest month ever. Period.
Jan 10 13 04:39 am  Link  Quote 
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modeled
Posts: 9,334
San Diego, California, US


It's certainly strange.  The number of days it's been below 60 here I could count on possibly one hand but definitely 2.
Jan 10 13 04:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Vivus Hussein Denuo
Posts: 64,080
New York, New York, US


modeled wrote:
It's certainly strange.  The number of days it's been below 60 here I could count on possibly one hand but definitely 2.

It's the dead of winter, and I've been hearing birds chirping here in NYC.  That's strange, too.  They're supposed to fly south when it gets cold.  smile

Jan 10 13 05:01 am  Link  Quote 
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misszara
Posts: 6,715
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Yeah, but we're going through a 45*C heatwave right now! wink
Jan 10 13 05:32 am  Link  Quote 
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Chris Rifkin
Posts: 24,518
Tampa, Florida, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

It's the dead of winter, and I've been hearing birds chirping here in NYC.  That's strange, too.  They're supposed to fly south when it gets cold.  smile

So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

Jan 10 13 05:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Tim Little Photography
Posts: 11,537
Wilmington, Delaware, US


Last Sunday CNN aired a special called "The Coming Storms".  Pretty http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngstuff!
Jan 10 13 05:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Vivus Hussein Denuo
Posts: 64,080
New York, New York, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:

So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

No.

Jan 10 13 06:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Lisa Andresen
Posts: 8,664
Abingdon, Illinois, US


I can see that try being in boot camp in that heat! Not to mention we had days that it was 70 in nov and dec that is strange for Illinois. This was a weird year for weather.
Jan 10 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Russian Katarina
Posts: 1,413
London, England, United Kingdom


Chris Rifkin wrote:
So you would rather have sub freezing days for 45 days straight and a string of snowstorms?

What's nice for us - less freezing your butt off in winter - is devastating for people living south of the equator, which is where almost all humans living in severe poverty live.

Global warming will kill these fellow humans by the millions every year.

Jan 10 13 06:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Chris Rifkin
Posts: 24,518
Tampa, Florida, US


Russian Katarina wrote:

What's nice for us - less freezing your butt off in winter - is devastating for people living south of the equator, which is where almost all humans living in severe poverty live.

Global warming will kill these fellow humans by the millions every year.

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

Jan 10 13 06:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Sirius Star Photography
Posts: 137
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


We're looking at 70° or so here today! I believe 2012 may have been one of the worst droughts on record as well...
Jan 10 13 06:53 am  Link  Quote 
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Sirius Star Photography
Posts: 137
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

The caldera in Yellowstone is definitely long overdue...

Jan 10 13 06:57 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,685
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


Partial dataset.

Meteorologist discovers U.S. government announcing records before all data analyzed; ‘warmest ever’ July not true
http://www.fcpp.org/blog/meteorologist- … r-records/

"When the data from lower technology sources finally arrives, NCDC update their temperature database typically “cooling” the country when all the data is used.
For July 2012, the real temperature average became 76.93 F, almost 0.7 F lower than that announced in the SOTC.

July 2012 then became about 0.47°F cooler than 77.4°F claimed as the previous monthly record in 1936."
Jan 10 13 06:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,685
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


And the rest of the world --

Vietnam   --              Cold wave unrelenting   
http://talkvietnam.com/2013/01/cold-wav … rn-region/
http://talkvietnam.com/2013/01/heavier- … O7V4h1qTpJ

Forget global warming, Alaska is headed for an ice age
http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/f … ed-ice-age
"In the first decade since 2000, the 49th state cooled 2.4 degrees Fahrenheit."

(Global)  Greatest Snow on Record for December
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/ta … p?ui_set=1


Minus 34 Celsius in New Mexico
http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/? … ving&hur=0

Early sea ice --
http://homertribune.com/2012/12/ice-bre … led-barge/
“This year, there’s more ice earlier than in normal years,”

Climate Change in the Arctic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ucpzabzFM

Historic Cold Snap In China
http://www.businessinsider.com/historic … les-2013-1
"The average temperature in northeast China dipped to -4.5 degrees F, the coldest in 43 years, and dropped to a 42-year low of -18.7 degrees F in northern China."

China chills hit 28-year low
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ … D820130105
"cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice,"

In Russia, Frigid Weather Claims Lives
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm … 00375.html
"As temperatures plummet to -50 Celsius in some parts of Russia, thousands have been evacuated from their homes in the country's Far East and Siberia. More than 120 people have died from the severe cold"

India cold snap kills 25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20842932

Ice roads to open early
Cold revs up highway network
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ … 34621.html
"Bone-chilling temperatures have been a boon to builders of Manitoba's northern winter roads this year."
Jan 10 13 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


It's suppose to be 60 here in mid Michigan tomorrow. I'm not complaining!
Jan 10 13 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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sospix
Posts: 21,270
Orlando, Florida, US


My boy Jake is doin' his part ta keep it warm  .  .  .  he puts out more methane than most cows  .  .  .  wink

SOS
Jan 10 13 07:42 am  Link  Quote 
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SKPhoto
Posts: 25,779
Newark, California, US


It's currently 37 here in sunny California.

It's expected to hit 32 in San Jose by the weekend.
Even colder in surrounding areas.

Black ice warnings in some areas.

Heard the guy on the radio say San Jose and area could break coldest temp since records have been kept back to the 19th century.



Warm and sunny California. lol
Jan 10 13 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Bots
Posts: 5,685
Kingston, Ontario, Canada


The Met Office has conceded there is no evidence that 'global warming' is happening


The crazy climate change obsession that's made the Met Office a menace
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … enace.html

"The Met Office quietly readjusted its temperature projections on its website on Christmas Eve.
Until then, it had been confidently predicting temperature rises of at least 0.2 degrees per decade, with a succession of years exceeding even the record-breaking high of 1998.
Its latest chart, however, confirmed in a press release earlier this week, tells a very different story: no more global warming is expected till at least 2017. "



"Dr Whitehouse notes that this is a sad betrayal of the Met Office’s traditional role: ‘When it comes to four or five-day weather forecasting, the Met Office is the best in the world,’ he says. ‘The tragedy is that, for the most part, the Met Office thinks weather forecasting is beneath it.  Climate change is more glamorous — and brings in more money.’"
Jan 10 13 08:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Digital Photo PLUS
Posts: 5,503
Lorton, Virginia, US


Deniers will deny.
Jan 10 13 08:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,195
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:

And an "ice age" type event would probably wipe out at least half the world's population in less than 10 years....all it would take is for one of the many ticking time bombs on the planet to blow off at a VEI 8 Yellowstone style to do such a thing....we as a species were almost completely exterminated 73,000 years ago when Toba erupted.
Even a relatively "minor VEI 7 eruption,which are much more common that VEI 8's are,could so severely cool the climate temporarily that it would cause the worst worldwide famine in history..
Year without summer when Tambora erupted in the early 1800's is the latest example...

You can still grow and raise food when it gets warmer,albeit many of the food belts move around...but you would also get more year round climates to grow food though.
You can't frow food when its too cold

Sir, just no. Logical fallacies like....

Ok, so the people who are noting the extremely warm temperatures and attributing them to global warming are NOT advocating for subzero temperatures and blizzards. Please...

Jan 10 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,195
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Digital Photo PLUS wrote:
Deniers will deny.

This.

Jan 10 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Compass Rose Studios
Posts: 15,979
Portland, Oregon, US


Digital Photo PLUS wrote:
Deniers will deny.

I take my cues from Milli Vanilli. 

Blame it on the rain.

Jan 10 13 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


I'd trade your 2012 anyday!

Last year was the wettest year and coldest summer ever on record in the UK.

Miserable fucking shithole island!
Jan 10 13 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Wildcat Photography
Posts: 1,486
Valparaiso, Indiana, US


Go Global Warming!

Melt all the Polar Ice Caps!
Totally!

Then this Ice Age and finally be finished!

And then we can start the next one.

Wildcat
Jan 10 13 11:37 am  Link  Quote 
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MS Foto
Posts: 2,224
Manchester, New Hampshire, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims...

The "dispute" arises from what's the cause and what can be done about it, if anything.
The Earth's history is filled with periods of warming and periods of cooling. Being forced to pay any "carbon tax" will do nothing but confiscate more of my money to fuel goverments' wasteful spending, not reverse any so-called trends of warming...

Jan 10 13 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
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H E R B L I S H
Posts: 15,021
Orlando, Florida, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
"2012 was the warmest year on record in the contiguous United States, according to scientists with The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

Also:

"July [2012] was the hottest month ever on record in the contiguous U.S."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 … treme?lite

I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims.  Warmest year ever and warmest month ever. Period.

...Ever?  Whatever!

Jan 10 13 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Gabby57
Posts: 401
Coppell, Texas, US


Pretty big difference between, "on record" and "ever".  I think the "records" only go back to something like 1895.
Jan 10 13 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Model Art Photo
Posts: 636
Monterey, California, US


What are you complaining about?  More warm weather means more nood models.
Jan 10 13 12:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,507
San Diego, California, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
"2012 was the warmest year on record in the contiguous United States, according to scientists with The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."

Also:

"July [2012] was the hottest month ever on record in the contiguous U.S."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01 … treme?lite

I posted this in OT rather than SB because there is nothing to dispute and I make no claims.  Warmest year ever and warmest month ever. Period.

Was July the warmest month or the hottest month? The difference is whether you look at the daily high temperatures or the daily average temperatures. If you go by the high temperature then July 2012 wasn't the hottest month on record. If you look at the hottest months for each state most were set in 1936 I believe.

Here's the comparison from NOAA data:

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/conus_july_2012_ncdc.png

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/conus_july_1936_ncdc.png

Notice how many more states set records for the hottest month ever in 1936.

What's also interesting is that if you look at the 60 month average then the current period is only the 11th warmest on record for the US.

And since the continental US only accounts for 2% of the world's land area a record year doesn't mean anything globally. Globally this year came in at ~0.53C which isn't a record or remarkable as seen in this graph:

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/image62.png

Jan 10 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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JJMiller
Posts: 525
Buffalo, New York, US


I live in Western NY, an area renowned for it's brutal winters- it's supposed to get up to 60 this weekend. It was 50 today. Last year I didn't even touch a snow shovel. It's nice, but it's also creepy-wrong.
Jan 10 13 04:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,507
San Diego, California, US


JJMiller wrote:
I live in Western NY, an area renowned for it's brutal winters- it's supposed to get up to 60 this weekend. It was 50 today. Last year I didn't even touch a snow shovel. It's nice, but it's also creepy-wrong.

Chicago either set or is about to set a record for most snowless days. Here in San Diego we're having the chilliest winter in at least 6 years maybe longer. I'd say "cold" but that's relative. A "cold" winter day in San Diego means it doesn't hit 60 degrees big_smile

Lows could be in the high 30's this weekend. That hasn't happened since 2007. But then San Diego has only had a low temp below freezing about 5 times in the last 150 years.

Jan 10 13 05:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Aaron Lewis Photography
Posts: 5,083
Catskill, New York, US


I don't know where you people are living but it's friggin freezing here. It's been a frozen tundra for 2 weeks straight. The forecast said it was supposed to be 45 on Wed but it turned out to barely break 30.

I realize it's January and that's pretty normal for this time of year but warm it is not. And you know what, it wasn't all that hot this past summer either.

I think they need to recheck the numbers on this one.
Jan 10 13 08:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vivus Hussein Denuo
Posts: 64,080
New York, New York, US


Dammit!  I thought for sure I found something non-controversial to post about climate change!  I forgot.  In this field, everyone's an expert, and any statement at all presses people's "Oh, yeah?" button.
Jan 10 13 09:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,507
San Diego, California, US


There's nothing controversial about data unless you try to mislead people with it such as claiming a month was the "hottest" when, in fact, it wasn't the hottest.

If yesterday had a high temperature of 110 degrees and the average temperature for the day of 92 and today had a high temperature of 105 degrees with an average temperature of 95 you wouldn't say today was "hotter" would you? I know I wouldn't!
Jan 10 13 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cosplay Creatives
Posts: 10,714
Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica


This data and news certainly hasn't changed my life habits one bit.
Jan 10 13 09:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vivus Hussein Denuo
Posts: 64,080
New York, New York, US


Instinct Images wrote:
There's nothing controversial about data unless you try to mislead people with it such as claiming a month was the "hottest" when, in fact, it wasn't the hottest.

If yesterday had a high temperature of 110 degrees and the average temperature for the day of 92 and today had a high temperature of 105 degrees with an average temperature of 95 you wouldn't say today was "hotter" would you? I know I wouldn't!

You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

Jan 10 13 11:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,507
San Diego, California, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

Look at the two charts I posted above and tell me which year had hotter temps over a wider area. Many states were signficantly hotter in 1936 than in 2012 during July.

Here's a chart that shows the high temperature, low temperature, and average temperature for every July in the record. It clearly demonstrates what I'm trying to explain to you.

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/604/spencerushcnv2julytemps.png

Since 1936 low temperatures have risen partly due to the urban heat island effect. Larger cities have more asphalt and concrete and that retains more heat keep temps from dropping as much as they did previously.

Which year was "warmer" or "hotter" also depends on which network of stations one choses:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/08/a … e-network/

and it also depends on when you look at the data since the past is constantly being "adjusted" downward which makes any warming to look more pronounced. In other words, before 1999 if you looked at the temperature record for 1936 it was warmer than it is if it you look at it today. Strange but true.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012 … peratures/

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2012/08/jul … -doubt-it/

Lots of ways to look at the data.

Jan 11 13 12:03 am  Link  Quote 
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Vivus Hussein Denuo
Posts: 64,080
New York, New York, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.
Instinct Images wrote:
Look at the two charts I posted above and tell me which year had hotter temps over a wider area. Many states were signficantly hotter in 1936 than in 2012 during July.

I take it that's a yes.  It's the epitome of non-science to claim to know what motivates others, imo.

Jan 11 13 12:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,507
San Diego, California, US


Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
You believe the NOAA scientists are "trying to mislead people."  Mmmmk.

I take it that's a yes.  It's the epitome of non-science to claim to know what motivates others, imo.

I don't know if that's the goal of NOAA scientists but then I doubt a scientist writes the press release. I do know that the impact of the press release is misleading people into believing it was hotter (inferring higher temperatures not high average temperatures) in 2012 than in 1936.

Are you aware of the adjustments made to the data and how it effects which year is "hottest" and also the trend?

If not you might want to check out this blog post. The data is public so you can verify the claims made for yourself.

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012 … peratures/

Jan 11 13 12:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Tropic Light
Posts: 7,259
Kailua, Hawaii, US


SKPhoto wrote:
It's currently 37 here in sunny California.

It's expected to hit 32 in San Jose by the weekend.
Even colder in surrounding areas.

Black ice warnings in some areas.

Heard the guy on the radio say San Jose and area could break coldest temp since records have been kept back to the 19th century.



Warm and sunny California. lol

On December 22-23, 1990, San Jose recorded a low of 19 degrees, and that wasn't the lowest ever.  Your problems with factual data might be the result of the sources of information that you rely upon.

Black ice warnings "in some areas" is typical in January, especially with elevation and wind patterns.  I lived in California for 15 years and I saw snow in Sacramento.  Rare, but it happens.  The regional fluctuations are not the point though.  The point is that global mean temperatures are rising, and that is well documented.

Jan 11 13 12:46 am  Link  Quote 
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