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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Fashion photographers.

I have some money saved up and I was thinking I would take some time off and do my own thing and travel to London /Paris and Milan .

I would really like some advice on getting my foot in the door in the industry,once I am over seas.

Right now I am working on my portfolio obviously and  once I gain more experience I'll start testing w agency models.


Or Any thoughts/advice in general are welcome!

Thanks!
Jan 10 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Al Cooley Photography
Posts: 450
Allendale, Michigan, US


Do some internet home work... find some well known Photogs over in the targeted counrty, and ask them if they need an american assistant... or if they know anyone who does.. being assistant is still the fastest way to learn the business and if they believe that you will be going back to america after learning.... and are not a threat to them.... who knows.
Jan 10 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Al Cooley Photography wrote:
Do some internet home work... find some well known Photogs over in the targeted counrty, and ask them if they need an american assistant... or if they know anyone who does.. being assistant is still the fastest way to learn the business and if they believe that you will be going back to america after learning.... and are not a threat to them.... who knows.

Haha true!

Yeah I was thinking about contacting some photographers, it's just nerve wracking and I feel like its almost too forward. But I have to start somewhere!


Thanks :-)

Jan 10 13 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Peter Jaay
Posts: 16
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


I dont see why you shouldn't already be testing with Agency models. your pics look great and the kinda style im sure they will go for. Get in touch with your local agencies, have a look on line and just ask if you can test with some of there new faces. Most agencies want there new faces to get as much camera time as possible so if just go for it.
Im the same position, planning on going to milano in July...
Jan 10 13 11:21 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


I wonder if I can work with agencies over seas.. I wouldn't need a work visa righT?
Because I wouldn't be getting paid.
Jan 10 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Jean Renard Photography
Posts: 2,044
Los Angeles, California, US


If you work, whether paid or not, you are still technically in violation of the law. Will they care? probably not, still be aware.  Either way make sure your gear is insured to replacement cost internationally and you have a production insurance rider that covers you world wide.

Before embarking on a European tour you might want to develop your skill in NY/LA/Miami where there are "real" models and agencies.  Doing that round will teach you a lot and if you get solid shots from that, you can ask for referrals in Europe so you do not go in cold.
Jan 10 13 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


I'm not scared of going in cold... But that is very good advice, I was actually thinking I'd go to Europe to learn and immerse myself and then come back to NYC/ la and conquer
I'll definitely look into it, if the euro thing doesn't work out.
Thanks!
Jan 10 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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JoJo
Contest Queen
Posts: 25,028
Clearwater, Florida, US


Rachel Reilly wrote:
I wonder if I can work with agencies over seas.. I wouldn't need a work visa righT?
Because I wouldn't be getting paid.

If you are an American citizen traveling on a US passport?
Check VERY carefully with the countries you want to work in, make sure you have all your paperwork signed/sealed/delivered before you even book your flight.

One little hint - remove all the "I'm and American" things from your working kit.
In the USA the US flag are "colours that don't run"
In many places in Europe and the UK the US flag are "colours that don't work... and don't get service"

Jan 10 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Renato Alberto
Posts: 866
San Francisco, California, US


JoJo wrote:
One little hint - remove all the "I'm and American" things from your working kit.
In the USA the US flag are "colours that don't run"
In many places in Europe and the UK the US flag are "colours that don't work... and don't get service"

^^^^ This is so true^^^^

I do quite a bit of work in Europe, and I am a US citizen. Since I was born in Portugal, I am also a Portuguese citizen, and now also hold an European Union Passport.

Work got much easier for me in London, Italy, Spain, and other European Union countries when I enter the country with my EU passport...

So the advice above is very important, You don't have to hide you are an American, but don't advertise it either, until it helps you. which in some ways it also will.

If you have any specific questions about working in Europe, send me a message with your questions, and I will be glad to share with you my experiences.

Jan 10 13 12:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


JoJo wrote:

If you are an American citizen traveling on a US passport?
Check VERY carefully with the countries you want to work in, make sure you have all your paperwork signed/sealed/delivered before you even book your flight.

One little hint - remove all the "I'm and American" things from your working kit.
In the USA the US flag are "colours that don't run"
In many places in Europe and the UK the US flag are "colours that don't work... and don't get service"

What do you mean remove all my American things from my kit?
I would just be assisting, not getting paid.

Jan 10 13 12:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


RenatoJr - RJ wrote:

^^^^ This is so true^^^^

I do quite a bit of work in Europe, and I am a US citizen. Since I was born in Portugal, I am also a Portuguese citizen, and now also hold an European Union Passport.

Work got much easier for me in London, Italy, Spain, and other European Union countries when I enter the country with my EU passport...

So the advice above is very important, You don't have to hide you are an American, but don't advertise it either, until it helps you. which in some ways it also will.

If you have any specific questions about working in Europe, send me a message with your questions, and I will be glad to share with you my experiences.

Thanks so much!
I'll send you a message later on tonight :-)

Jan 10 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Bump
Jan 10 13 03:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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sdgillis
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Jan 10 13 03:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtistryImage
Posts: 2,731
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Jean Renard Photography wrote:
...Before embarking on a European tour you might want to develop your skill in NY/LA/Miami where there are "real" models and agencies...

Tenured wisdom of considerable merit, albeit there is one "real" agency in your market, that is T.H.E. Artistry Agency... they are at a comparable level to many NYC agencies and are approachable...   

Why are you not testing with them?
Might start by contacting Krystal Ugochukwu, with New Faces.

Keep in mind much of their client base is seeking talent with a "commercial look"... best that it is heavily represented in your book... i.e. predominately imagery which reflects the aforementioned... think lifestyle here... sans high drama Avant-garde make-up/hair/wardrobe etc. 

Testing with new faces is typically about helping emerging talent master a salable repertoire... not so much about working outside the "box", hope this makes sense...

Namaste

Jan 10 13 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Yum Yum Photo
Posts: 442
Park Ridge, New Jersey, US


Depends on what you like to shoot. If you go to NY they generally want a more commercial look. Europe is different..... I would study European magazines and agencies and see if thats is what you want ....
Jan 10 13 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raven-Lily
Posts: 77
Eastbourne, England, United Kingdom


why not just do a casting for each country you plan to shoot in?

adding your dates, pay/tf/, location etc

you can look through portfolios for those who reply and see what their styles are like.

once you have shot in a particular country following their styles then you can apply for those agencies
Jan 10 13 04:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


ArtistryImage wrote:

Tenured wisdom of considerable merit, albeit there is one "real" agency in your market, that is T.H.E. Artistry Agency... they are at a comparable level to many NYC agencies and are approachable...   

Why are you not testing with them?
Might start by contacting Krystal Ugochukwu, with New Faces.

Keep in mind much of their client base is seeking talent with a "commercial look"... best that it is heavily represented in your book... i.e. predominately imagery which reflects the aforementioned... think lifestyle here... sans high drama Avant-garde make-up/hair/wardrobe etc. 

Testing with new faces is typically about helping emerging talent master a salable repertoire... not so much about working outside the "box", hope this makes sense...

Namaste

I've heard of t.h.e artistry agency through photo group!
I really need to get in touch with them, thanks for the name!
And I totally understand testing is not meant for experimenting dramatically, it's more about showcasing the models beauty.

Have you worked with the agency?

Jan 10 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Raven-Lily wrote:
why not just do a casting for each country you plan to shoot in?

adding your dates, pay/tf/, location etc

you can look through portfolios for those who reply and see what their styles are like.

once you have shot in a particular country following their styles then you can apply for those agencies

That's actually not a bad idea!
Thank you :-)

Jan 10 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Yum Yum Photo wrote:
Depends on what you like to shoot. If you go to NY they generally want a more commercial look. Europe is different..... I would study European magazines and agencies and see if thats is what you want ....

You're exactly right. I've subscribed to Italian and French vogue.
Also I follow many big time european photographers websites .
I'm a stalker haha

Jan 10 13 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peter Jaay
Posts: 16
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


Eastern Europe is a great place to travel to and you will find 100s of models to test with. Places like Poland, hungry, etc. Look the the agencies in London, Milano, Paris.. How many of there top models are from Eastern Europe?
Plus its much cheaper than the likes of Paris or Milano.
Jan 10 13 05:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


PeterJ  wrote:
Eastern Europe is a great place to travel to and you will find 100s of models to test with. Places like Poland, hungry, etc. Look the the agencies in London, Milano, Paris.. How many of there top models are from Eastern Europe?
Plus its much cheaper than the likes of Paris or Milano.

I totally agree, I like an exotic look as well !

What will you be doing in Milano?

Jan 10 13 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Peter Jaay
Posts: 16
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


Rachel Reilly wrote:

I totally agree, I like a bit of an ethnic look as well !

What will you be doing in Milano?

Gonna chance my luck...See if i can get some assisting work, or better yet some photography work. Gotta get out of Scotland there is no industry here. Plus I used to live in Italy so makes sense over the likes of Paris.

Jan 10 13 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


PeterJ  wrote:

Gonna chance my luck...See if i can get some assisting work, or better yet some photography work. Gotta get out of Scotland there is no industry here. Plus I used to live in Italy so makes sense over the likes of Paris.

How long are you planning on staying?

Jan 10 13 05:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,678
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I agree it appears that you are ignoring your own backyard.   You have not even tested with any US agencies?  I have not looked at your portfolio but is it full of agency models?  If not why would an overseas agency give you access to test?

Does you portfolio scream "you"?  Have you developed a style and signature for yourself or are you just good, someone that the art directors will forget as soon as you leave their office?

I have seen that last part echoed in interviews with several working photographers.  Their first meetings end up being a wakeup call; Sure their work was good, just like ever other working professional, but that is just expected at some point - is it memorable?

Again, I have not looked at your work nor am I an art director/photo editor.  I would suggest you also consider going to one of the industry event and portfolio reviews here in the US and find out.
Jan 10 13 05:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Yum Yum Photo
Posts: 442
Park Ridge, New Jersey, US


Go to Europe.... I think you will learn things that will put you ahead of the game here. And you will have more access to models...

Follow your heart and your pictures will reflect that....At your age this is the time to make these sort of moves....
Jan 10 13 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
I agree it appears that you are ignoring your own backyard.   You have not even tested with any US agencies?  I have not looked at your portfolio but is it full of agency models?  If not why would an overseas agency give you access to test?

Does you portfolio scream "you"?  Have you developed a style and signature for yourself or are you just good, someone that the art directors will forget as soon as you leave their office?

I have seen that last part echoed in interviews with several working photographers.  Their first meetings end up being a wakeup call; Sure their work was good, just like ever other working professional, but that is just expected at some point - is it memorable?

Again, I have not looked at your work nor am I an art director/photo editor.  I would suggest you also consider going to one of the industry event and portfolio reviews here in the US and find out.

Ok I don't excpect to test with agencies or to get paid gigs in Europe
I know just because I move over seas I'm not magically going to end up in vogue!

I have no expectations, all I hope for is the chance to be immersed in the fashion industry, assist successful photographers ,meet professionals  in the industry and most importantly LEARN.

Jan 10 13 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,110
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


PeterJ  wrote:
Eastern Europe is a great place to travel to and you will find 100s of models to test with. Places like Poland, hungry, etc. Look the the agencies in London, Milano, Paris.. How many of there top models are from Eastern Europe?
Plus its much cheaper than the likes of Paris or Milano.

Also some Eastern European agencies actively seek out American photographers for their models to work with - and the agency (or the model) pays the photographer. For example, some agencies require a model to work with a certain number of American photographers before they'll try to hook them up with an agency in the states.

Also, be aware that some Eastern European countries have laws or regulations that limit the amount of time you can work in their country - like six months out of a 12-month period, for example. Whatever the limit, after you max out for the year you have to leave the country until you're eligible to return.

Of course, if you're traveling on a Euro passport, and the country is a member of the EU, that doesn't apply.

Jan 10 13 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Yum Yum Photo wrote:
Go to Europe.... I think you will learn things that will put you ahead of the game here. And you will have more access to models...

Follow your heart and your pictures will reflect that....At your age this is the time to make these sort of moves....

Well originally I saved up for this sickly expensive school in Paris.. And I'm like you know screw that I cant afford it!
So I'm having this huge urge to do something drastic! And why not, I have no commitment and I'm young
Thank you so much for the support!

Jan 10 13 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Camerosity wrote:

Also some Eastern European agencies actively seek out American photographers for their models to work with - and the agency (or the model) pays the photographer. For example, some agencies require a model to work with a certain number of American photographers before they'll try to hook them up with an agency in the states.

Also, be aware that some Eastern European countries have laws or regulations that limit the amount of time you can work in their country - like six months out of a 12-month period, for example. Whatever the limit, after you max out for the year you have to leave the country until you're eligible to return

Of course, if you're traveling on a Euro passport, and the country is a member of the EU, that doesn't apply.

Thank you for that piece of info about agencies in eastern EU I will definitely look into it!

Jan 10 13 06:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,110
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Camerosity wrote:
Also some Eastern European agencies actively seek out American photographers for their models to work with - and the agency (or the model) pays the photographer. For example, some agencies require a model to work with a certain number of American photographers before they'll try to hook them up with an agency in the states.

Also, be aware that some Eastern European countries have laws or regulations that limit the amount of time you can work in their country - like six months out of a 12-month period, for example. Whatever the limit, after you max out for the year you have to leave the country until you're eligible to return

Of course, if you're traveling on a Euro passport, and the country is a member of the EU, that doesn't apply.
Rachel Reilly wrote:
Thank you for that piece of info about agencies in eastern EU I will definitely look into it!

If you're thinking about Eastern Europe, PM me, and I'll put you in touch with a friend who works for an American corporation in Slovakia six months out of the year, has a studio there and shoots models for agencies in his spare time.

Jan 10 13 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fred Greissing
Posts: 6,351
Los Angeles, California, US


Go to Milan.

Hookup with models directly. It's very easy. Just go to the cafes nearest the agencies. Will be easier for you to do because you are a girl... you won't be confused with a GWC...

Shoot some nice beauty of the girls and only then go to the agencies with pictures they can use.

This way you skip the "interview process". You show up with images they can use right away.
Jan 10 13 06:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Camerosity wrote:

Camerosity wrote:
Also some Eastern European agencies actively seek out American photographers for their models to work with - and the agency (or the model) pays the photographer. For example, some agencies require a model to work with a certain number of American photographers before they'll try to hook them up with an agency in the states.

Also, be aware that some Eastern European countries have laws or regulations that limit the amount of time you can work in their country - like six months out of a 12-month period, for example. Whatever the limit, after you max out for the year you have to leave the country until you're eligible to return

Of course, if you're traveling on a Euro passport, and the country is a member of the EU, that doesn't apply.

If you're thinking about Eastern Europe, PM me, and I'll put you in touch with a friend who works for an American corporation in Slovakia six months out of the year, has a studio there and shoots models for agencies in his spare time.

Ok thank you!
I will shoot you a message once I do some research!

Jan 10 13 07:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Fred Greissing wrote:
Go to Milan.

Hookup with models directly. It's very easy. Just go to the cafes nearest the agencies. Will be easier for you to do because you are a girl... you won't be confused with a GWC...

Shoot some nice beauty of the girls and only then go to the agencies with pictures they can use.

This way you skip the "interview process". You show up with images they can use right away.

Ok, I never thought of doing this!
Thank you :-)

Jan 10 13 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Bump!
Jan 11 13 04:59 am  Link  Quote 
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,678
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Rachel Reilly wrote:

Ok I don't excpect to test with agencies or to get paid gigs in Europe
I know just because I move over seas I'm not magically going to end up in vogue!

I have no expectations, all I hope for is the chance to be immersed in the fashion industry, assist successful photographers ,meet professionals  in the industry and most importantly LEARN.

Why not?  You should be testing with agencies smile and as Fred mentioned setup your own shoots with models while you are there

Jan 11 13 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Toto Photo
Posts: 2,611
Belmont, California, US


PeterJ  wrote:
...Im the same position, planning on going to milano in July...

Timing might be a big mistake. My brother went in July, secured a job shooting accessories and was unaware that everything shuts down in August while the populace goes on vacation.

His second tip to me was how to drink espresso, a daily, morning social routine in the apparel industry. Apparently in Milan it is: a) pinky extended, b) one quick gulp, c) semi-slam the cup back onto the saucer.

Jan 11 13 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


AJScalzitti wrote:

Why not?  You should be testing with agencies smile and as Fred mentioned setup your own shoots with models while you are there

I don't know if I'll be 1.) good enough 2.) able since I'm US citizen but as I said I can always hope!

Jan 11 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Toto Photo wrote:

Timing might be a big mistake. My brother went in July, secured a job shooting accessories and was unaware that everything shuts down in August while the populace goes on vacation.

His second tip to me was how to drink espresso, a daily, morning social routine in the apparel industry. Apparently in Milan it is: a) pinky extended, b) one quick gulp, c) semi-slam the cup back onto the saucer.

You are soooo right! I plan on leaving in sep/October
And lol about the espresso tips

Jan 11 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,456
Paris, Île-de-France, France


I too say Milan. If you had a EU passport of course you'd never be asked questions.

Paris is so unfriendly, and decision making processes frightfully slow.

London is where more and more stuff is happening both Milan and Paris are second candle now. Not saying there is nothing happening just the opposite, just a lot of top work goes to London. Berlin is a artsy way to go, but not a direct route to fashion.

There you go, my thoughts.

And true avoid summers or fashion weeks.
Jan 11 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Neil Snape wrote:
I too say Milan. If you had a EU passport of course you'd never be asked questions.

Paris is so unfriendly, and decision making processes frightfully slow.

London is where more and more stuff is happening both Milan and Paris are second candle now. Not saying there is nothing happening just the opposite, just a lot of top work goes to London. Berlin is a artsy way to go, but not a direct route to fashion.

There you go, my thoughts.

And true avoid summers or fashion weeks.

Why avoid fashion week? Just curious.

I've been hearing Milan is more friendly than paris ever since we talked.
My heart was set on Paris for a year but I'm so glad people who know better can convince me to look into something different! Haha

My offer still stands if you ever need an assistant! ;-)

Jan 11 13 11:31 am  Link  Quote 
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