T
Posts: 53,533
Washington, District of Columbia, US
Watching a live police briefing...
Police said student shot another student. Attempted to shoot another and the teacher and campus supervisor started dialogue with the gunman. They held his attention until the 28 students exited the classroom through the back door. They talked him into surrendering.
Opinion: The teacher and supervisor are heros.
Note: No whiny babies allowed in the thread. Run and tell that!
Police said student shot another student. Attempted to shoot another and the teacher and campus supervisor started dialogue with the gunman. They held his attention until the 28 students exited the classroom through the back door. They talked him into surrendering.
Opinion: The teacher and supervisor are heros.
Note: No whiny babies allowed in the thread. Run and tell that!
Next time you want to start a thread without an opinion, start it in Off-Topic. Opinions are not required there. That way, when it gets heated, they'll move it to Soapbox...and then lock it for not having an opinion.
Police said student shot another student. Attempted to shoot another and the teacher and campus supervisor started dialogue with the gunman. They held his attention until the 28 students exited the classroom through the back door. They talked him into surrendering.
Opinion: The teacher and supervisor are heros.
Note: No whiny babies allowed in the thread. Run and tell that!
Daniels Light
Posts: 4,911
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
I'm beginning to wonder how much more my taxes and liability insurance is increasing because some gun owners don't take responsibility in securing their weapons (from theft and their own children).
If the mantra of conservatives is "personal responsibility" why don't they spend money educating gun owners on just that rather than throwing millions in buying politicians to promote having weapons in National Parks?
Daniels Light wrote: If the mantra of conservatives is "personal responsibility" why don't they spend money educating gun owners on just that rather than throwing millions in buying politicians to promote having weapons in National Parks?
... or having weapons in kindergarden class ... and, don't expect a rational answer to your question.
Daniels Light wrote: I'm beginning to wonder how much more my taxes and liability insurance is increasing because some gun owners don't take responsibility in securing their weapons (from theft and their own children).
If the mantra of conservatives is "personal responsibility" why don't they spend money educating gun owners on just that rather than throwing millions in buying politicians to promote having weapons in National Parks?
I remember researching the added costs for the 35.000 gunshot fatalities and 200.000 injuries in another gun thread and they (health care costs, work leave etc.) totaled at ~ $ 80 billion. Treating a gunshot victim costs $ 160.000 on average - and those were just the medical costs, not the long term costs of leave from work (lack of revenue), permanent disability and so on.
It costs probably even more if you also include further additional costs like vests and additional firepower for all LEOs too.
Americans pay a high price for their fetish for firearms - not just in blood, but also in tax dollars.
Police said student shot another student. Attempted to shoot another and the teacher and campus supervisor started dialogue with the gunman. They held his attention until the 28 students exited the classroom through the back door. They talked him into surrendering.
Opinion: The teacher and supervisor are heros.
Note: No whiny babies allowed in the thread. Run and tell that!
T, you have to stop posting stuff like this. You should only post about school shootings IF the teachers are armed and they all pulled their guns and killed somebody.
Hoodlum wrote: I cant help it if logic, reason and good looks intimidate some people. You know how that goes.
Now we really are getting off topic.
Making a snarky comment about an unrelated post in a completely different thread, with the sole intent of discrediting the poster, isn't really on topic.
To be on-topic: Yes, I agree with the OP. The participants who defused the situation are heroes.
255 West wrote: BULLSHIT! The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun -- point blank. You know why it's true? Because Wayne La Pierre said so.
I'm still amazed that American rednecks trust a guy with a French last name.
The Signature Image wrote: T, you have to stop posting stuff like this. You should only post about school shootings IF the teachers are armed and they all pulled their guns and killed somebody.
That would likely appeal to the Usual Suspects.
Had this school's regular armed guard not been absent this day, then that may have been the result instead of what happened. Proof positive that having armed guards works... and not having them doesn't work.
Lightcraft Studio wrote: Had this school's regular armed guard not been absent this day, then that may have been the result instead of what happened. Proof positive that having armed guards works... and not having them doesn't work.
It's more likely there'd be three people instead of two in the morgue - and I don't mean the shooter. In a sneak attack, the one drawing his gun first obviously is at an advantage. He can take out the security guard at his leisure first, then shoot the people he came for.
It's not like these mall cops are Navy Seals with body armor.
It's more likely there'd be three people instead of two in the morgue - and I don't mean the shooter. In a sneak attack, the one drawing his gun first obviously is at an advantage. He can take out the security guard at his leisure first, then shoot the people he came for.
It's not like these mall cops are Navy Seals with body armor.
Pure speculation. I know of a retired Marine who works as "mall cop", and I can assure you, he wouldn't be easy to take advantage of.
The school should have found a replacement for the guard or cancelled classes... they're going to have some answering to do on that call.
Pure speculation. I know of a retired Marine who works as "mall cop", and I can assure you, he wouldn't be easy to take advantage of.
The school should have found a replacement for the guard or cancelled classes... they're going to have some answering to do on that call.
How many of these guards do you think are retired Marines?
Of course it's speculation, I just provided the alternative scenario that is more likely in my opinion.
Public schools are underfunded as it is and most likely don't have the resources to employ someone with at least police-level training and experience in the field.
How many of these guards do you think are retired Marines?
Of course it's speculation, I just provided the alternative scenario that is more likely in my opinion.
Public schools are underfunded as it is and most likely don't have the resources to employ someone with at least police-level training and experience in the field.
I know nothing about the absent guard in this case, and don't know anything about who's running that particular school... so I can't comment as decisively about it as you can from over there in the UK.
It's more likely there'd be three people instead of two in the morgue - and I don't mean the shooter. In a sneak attack, the one drawing his gun first obviously is at an advantage. He can take out the security guard at his leisure first, then shoot the people he came for.
It's not like these mall cops are Navy Seals with body armor.
And you are privy to his training in what way? Let me see, wild ass, pulled out of the sky guess? Yes...again you show you know nothing.
sublime LightWorks wrote: And you are privy to his training in what way? Let me see, wild ass, pulled out of the sky guess? Yes...again you show you know nothing.
I enjoy living in a place where people don't shoot up schools on a weekly basis, that much is true. Especially after having lived in a city with 3.000 murders per year (six times the murder rate of NYC).
I enjoy living in a place where people don't shoot up schools on a weekly basis, that much is true. Especially after having lived in a city with 3.000 murders per year (six times the murder rate of NYC).
London has plenty of violence in it's schools... this much I know.
Of course our country does have five times as many people as your whole country, so one would expect to see five times as many incidents all else being equal.
You should visit more often. 
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