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Mark
Posts: 2,889
New York, New York, US


Canon 7D Canon 24-70L/2.8

Getting ready to shot a job in a week or so, clients web designer wants shoots in 16:9 ratio.  Wonder if I can get a view finder grid to guide me?

Any thoughts suggestions appreciated.

Mark
Jan 10 13 01:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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ACPhotography
Posts: 8,621
Plainview, New York, US


Shoot loose and crop....
Jan 10 13 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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sdgillis
Posts: 2,434
Portland, Oregon, US


strange request, but can't you put your settings on 16:9?  I can on my camera, but I dont have a 7d

*guess not, read somewhere else it doesn't have that functionality. how sad.
Jan 10 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


Mark wrote:
Any thoughts suggestions appreciated.

Pop it into liveview mode, as though you're shootin' video.  Look where the top and bottom of the image crop off.  Put gaffer tape over the black bars on the image.

It won't help you while you're looking through the viewfinder, but this way, if you're not sure about an image, you can just pop it up on the LCD and see where it crops 16:9.

Or, as mentioned above, shoot wide so there's lots of room for cropping.  If you're only shooting stills, 1080p is 2 megapixels.  Plenty of scope for cropping and scaling down.

Jan 10 13 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photographer
-JAY-
Posts: 6,497
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Magic lantern should be able to give you crop lines for 16:9 for stills.

I know they can for video, so if they can't for stills, pop it into video, set it to 16:9. then put pieces of gaff tape where the crop lines are, switch back, and shoot live view.
Jan 10 13 06:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mike Kirwan Photography
Posts: 573
Walnut Creek, California, US


With the 5D MKII you can set the camera to video mode and shoot a still which will result in a jpeg or RAW image set to the aspect ratio you select. The mask is already there so no need for tape. Only problem you have to shoot in Live View mode. Not having your camera I do not know if this will work - but worth a try

MK
Jan 10 13 08:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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WMcK
Posts: 5,272
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


3:2 to 16:9 is not such a huge crop, just leave a bit of space top and bottom to be cropped away and you should be OK. If you have PS CS6 try a crop preview of your existing photos, it has 16:9 as one of its pre-sets, and it will show you what kind of margin to leave.
Jan 11 13 01:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Light Writer
Posts: 18,387
Oakland, California, US


You could always make a small frame, and fit it over your LCD. I made several in unusual ratios for my 4x5 and they really help. 1:3.14; 1:2.78; 1:1.62 and so on. heavy cardboard or ragboard works well.
Jan 11 13 03:52 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Sounds crazy that a client would want 16:9 images, but that's the way the world is going.

New TV's, new computer monitors, and new cellphone/tablets all going to the 16:9 format. I haven't printed anything on my Photo printer for almost a year now.

I think it's just a matter of time before the old 35mm 3:2 ratio dies out, and the actual sensors start to be made in 16:9 format...as the HD video format already is saved.

The SONY has a separate setting to capture in 16:9, and it shows the aspect ration on both the LCD screen and the Viewfinder for accurate compositions (EVF). I'm surprised the Canon doesn't have a 16:9 capture mode.

Here's the approximate difference of the 16:9 (in red) taken from the original standard 3:2 (show in blue)...
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/TyPortfolio/16to9vs3to2.jpg
Jan 11 13 11:08 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticPhotography
Posts: 7,699
Buffalo, New York, US


I think the companies out there that make replacement mirrors can cut the guidelines in any way you want, but I'm not sure you'd get one in a week.
Jan 11 13 11:18 am  Link  Quote 
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sdgillis
Posts: 2,434
Portland, Oregon, US


ArtisticGlamour wrote:
Sounds crazy that a client would want 16:9 images,.

some photographers get all crazy and snippy if they have their images cropped by a designer.

Jan 11 13 11:24 am  Link  Quote 
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Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


ArtisticGlamour wrote:
Sounds crazy that a client would want 16:9 images

Yeah, clients wanting to put photos into a video, or perhaps have them rotate through a slideshow on TV in a store is a very alien concept. wink

Jan 11 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


sdgillis wrote:
some photographers get all crazy and snippy if they have their images cropped by a designer.

And another good reason to have a mask (or shoot a Sony with it's optional 16:9 viewfinder setting) is so that you are not GUESSING in the composition...you can compose the image knowing EXACTLY what the 16:9 perspective is.

Jan 11 13 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


ArtisticPhotography wrote:
I think the companies out there that make replacement mirrors can cut the guidelines in any way you want, but I'm not sure you'd get one in a week.

Katzeye make replacement focusing screens.

http://www.katzeyeoptics.com/item--Cano … od_7D.html

16:9 crop guides add $45 to the price.

PS. Sorry, Mark, would've mentioned them in my first reply but completely forgot about them (as mentioned though, you probably wouldn't get one by the time you need one anyway, unless they just happened to have one there and could expedite the shipping).

Jan 11 13 11:30 am  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Kaouthia wrote:
Yeah, clients wanting to put photos into a video, or perhaps have them rotate through a slideshow on TV in a store is a very alien concept.

Except for my modelling photography where I still crop to 9x12@300...(as if a model still actually had a "book" lol LOL!), I end up outputting almost everything for DVD slideshows or Facebook.

Either for HD viewing on a standard 16:9 largescreen LCD/TV, or for 1920x1080 photo competitions on 16:9 HD projectors.

Models rarely ask for the 9x12@300 images because they are just not printing much for their "books" anymore...It's all for the iPad and they get resized for Facebook.

I haven't printed in almost a year, everything's going to digital media...and that's more-and-more becoming standardized on the 16:9 ratio!

I took a Black laundry marker and made 4 little black "dots" in the outer corners (at a 16:0 crop) on my camera's LCD screen so I always know without having to change settings.

Jan 11 13 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
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Fotojeroen
Posts: 66
Waalwijk, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


Normaly I work with a D3 from Nikon. I have the option to set the camera to DX, FX or (I believed) 5:4 mode. It's shown by a partial viewfinder black-out.
Sometimes I get the order to deliver the picture in 21:9, wich is a 5 column spread at the newspaper, sometime square. It would be very easy, and I guess only software, if there was a modus on the camera where you can set your ratio to whatever you like. Square isn't a problem, but 21:9 sometimes is when you have to make a picture of people AND you have to capture the surrounding.
Jan 11 13 12:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


It's a damn smart photographer that actually composes the image with the output format in mind...instead of cropping as an afterthought. wink
Jan 11 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticPhotography
Posts: 7,699
Buffalo, New York, US


Kaouthia wrote:

Katzeye make replacement focusing screens.

http://www.katzeyeoptics.com/item--Cano … od_7D.html

16:9 crop guides add $45 to the price.

PS. Sorry, Mark, would've mentioned them in my first reply but completely forgot about them (as mentioned though, you probably wouldn't get one by the time you need one anyway, unless they just happened to have one there and could expedite the shipping).

But he could probably pop out the screen and draw a line with a marker or something.

Jan 11 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Motordrive Photography
Posts: 2,557
Lodi, California, US


If it were me, I'd use rubylith graphics tape on the camera back.
The files will be the same, but you'll have a better idea of composition.
All images can be batch output as 16:9 aspect from ACR/LR, but can
fine tune the selects later.
Jan 11 13 12:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CP_
Posts: 310
Seattle, Washington, US


Mike Kirwan Photography wrote:
With the 5D MKII you can set the camera to video mode and shoot a still which will result in a jpeg or RAW image set to the aspect ratio you select. The mask is already there so no need for tape. Only problem you have to shoot in Live View mode. Not having your camera I do not know if this will work - but worth a try

MK

That's not how it works on the 5D2. The still will be full frame 3:2. Not sure what the 7D does but I would bet it's the same.

Jan 11 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
CP_
Posts: 310
Seattle, Washington, US


Mark wrote:
Canon 7D Canon 24-70L/2.8

Getting ready to shot a job in a week or so, clients web designer wants shoots in 16:9 ratio.  Wonder if I can get a view finder grid to guide me?

Any thoughts suggestions appreciated.

Mark

I don't think you have time to order a new focusing screen or mask, but what you could do is use a sharpie marker and mask off a 16:9 area on your focusing screen, and order a fresh focusing screen (now) and install it when you're done with the job. However it appears the procedure for removing and replacing the focusing screen on a 7D is a bit of a pain in the ass, since it wasn't built to support interchangeable screens. You could still do it if you really wanted to though and had a set of instructions (Katzeye has instructions).

If you are shooting hot lights or daylight, then you can use Live View in movie mode, and use the 16:9 preview mask. If you are shooting strobes, it gets complicated as your exposure meant for strobes will leave the frame black during the preview phase. You can turn exposure simulation off to solve the black frame issue, but that option only exists for stills mode, which won't have a 16:9 mask. You can use tape to create your own mask, but a word of caution about taping the screen. When you are in Live View, the image is flush against the top of the screen. When you are reviewing, the image is flush against the bottom of the screen. If you tape for one position, the image will look wrong in the other position. I'm not saying you shouldn't tape, I'm just saying be aware the image will shift up and down, and you need to make a choice about which position you tape for. If you are tethering, that would help make it so you don't need to worry about reviewing on camera.

Jan 11 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ArtisticGlamour
Posts: 3,846
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Shoot with the liveview LCD screen instead of the viewfinder...and mark the 16:9 corners with a black permanent marker. You can remove the marks later with a q-tip and rubbing alcohol if you choose. Or just leave the corners for future reference, like I did.

Here is a guide to help you...
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g461/TyPortfolio/16to9vs3to2-1.jpg
That will help you with proper composition, then simply crop the image to that later with Photoshop's crop tool set to 16"W and 9"H (@300 = 4800 x 2700) since you don't have an in-camera 16:9 capture setting.

If the web designer didn't specify a resolution (image size), but just the aspect ratio...I would give him HighRes 16:9@300 which is 4800x2700 and well within your 7D's native (3:2) resolution of 5184 x 3456. That will give him the option of resizing them down to current HD files (1920x1080) or even the coming "4K" (4096×2160) images.
Jan 11 13 10:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,889
New York, New York, US


THANKS SO MUCH EVERY ONE

mark
Jan 13 13 08:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fotojeroen
Posts: 66
Waalwijk, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands


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