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rick lesser
Posts: 685
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-
Jan 10 13 04:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
hs photography
Posts: 468
Houston, Texas, US


I'm not on Facebook either.
Jan 10 13 04:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Jaime Criel Makeup
Posts: 149
New York, New York, US


While I feel like this posting is a rant, yes, it is unprofessional to send someone a facebook link via casting.
Jan 10 13 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pinup Fantasies
Posts: 949
HIXSON, Tennessee, US


I also refuse to be on FB.

Besides I kill too much time here already. I don't need another time waster.
Jan 10 13 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Raven-Lily
Posts: 77
Eastbourne, England, United Kingdom


the plus side of facebook is you can upload any size/any amount of pics you like with no restrictions.. which is very helpful for photographers/models who have hundreds of photos to upload.. many people keep their photography page strictly for portfolio pics and connecting with others in the photography world.

so no falling out of a club/family pics.

maybe your dislike for using social networking for your work is holding you back from finding even more work for yourself, so essentially you are the one losing out, no one else.

just my two cents.
Jan 10 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,015
Olney, Maryland, US


I have an account but I don't use it.  Facebook changes faster than I can keep up with it.  I have a lot of issues that I believe are caused by Facebook.  I pay no attention to messages directing me to Facebook.

I don't understand why people have MM accounts and don't post their best work here.
Jan 10 13 04:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Personality Imaging
Posts: 1,559
Hoover, Alabama, US


Won't find my work on Facebook.  Not that cheesy.
Jan 10 13 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nicholas Fischer
Posts: 40
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada


I love using Facebook to upload more then just modelling photos. It allows friend and family to quickly and easily view my photos and also friends of friends can see them. I also like to throw out promotions especially with days like Valentine's day approaching.

Also more to OP, I kinda like to see a lot of pictures of someone I wanna work with, and not just instagram or bathroom mirror pic's or the MM limit but just the whole range of what someone can do.
Jan 10 13 04:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
rick lesser
Posts: 685
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


I'm sorry if you thought I was posting a rant.  I wanted to give the background as to why I was posting this question.  It's curiosity more then anything.   R-
Jan 10 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,082
Orlando, Florida, US


Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.
Jan 10 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,585
Jacksonville, Florida, US


NO FB here
Jan 10 13 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


rick lesser wrote:
Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

So, instead of informing them you don't have a FB account and perhaps provide you with another link, you shut the door completely to make some statement about your dislike of FB? And you hold it against others for referring you to it?

I'm curious. If you saw a great job opportunity with a major corporation and they advised you to review the project specs and similar style images on their FB page, you would be similarly offended by the suggestion? I highly doubt that.

No, there's no mandatory requirement for joining FB. However, many individuals and companies have accounts there for both personal and business. But dismissing it and the people who do use it simply because of your personal dislike for it is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Jan 10 13 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


No business FB here either.. A website trumps FB ALWAYS. I dont care if everyone is using it. Its not professional, its social media.

Really its Greedbook & Trampbook lately. Its become a joke since it became a publicly traded company.
Jan 10 13 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.

I get the feeling the OP feels his anti-FB stance is some non-conformist badge of honor. It's one thing to not have an account for whatever reason. It's another to hold it against the people who do find it useful.

I'm sure it's just a fad like those portable telephone things people carry around.

Attica! Attica!

Jan 10 13 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

Another point. Referring you to FB to view images doesn't require you to join the site. It only requires you to type in a URL...so there need not be any assumption that you're a member or not. There is, however, the assumption that you're willing to click on a link or type.

Do you have an issue when someone directs you to their .com website? Or is it just when you're referred to FB that you're so outraged?

Jan 10 13 04:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


Michael Pandolfo  wrote:
I'm curious. If you saw a great job opportunity with a major corporation and they advised you to review the project specs and similar style images on their FB page, you would be similarly offended by the suggestion? I highly doubt that.

Yes, but a big corporation will have a website first then have you look at their FB.. Only a FB page is not the way to run business if you are a professional. It should be used as an "extra" to your business.

If I were applying for a job or the like I would never send a social media site, Id send my website.

Jan 10 13 04:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,082
Orlando, Florida, US


KA Style wrote:
Yes, but a big corporation will have a website first then have you look at their FB.. Only a FB page is not the way to run business if you are a professional. It should be used as an "extra" to your business.

True.  And good point.

I have a website.  It looks like crap because I built it.  I COULD have a pretty nice business website, but I'd either have to spend 3000 hours learning how to build it, or $3000 to have someone else build it for me.  I choose to do neither.

Lots of people testing the waters as models or photographers won't justify the creation of a real site when there are so many free templated options.  And Facebook is a kind of a great equalizer for online presence.  Everyone's Facebook page is formatted pretty much the same.  The only thing different is the content.

So to shit on Facebook as another avenue for interaction, either personally or professionally, is to shit on your potential clients and collaborators who choose to use it as their primary means of contact.


Do what you want.  It doesn't really affect anyone else doing what they want.


Disclaimer:  I get more paid work as a result of Facebook than I ever did through my website or Model Mayhem.

Jan 10 13 04:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
James Ogilvie
Posts: 6,640
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I think the point being glossed over here is that we're already ON a website where the work is meant to be hosted. 

Common courtesy should suggest that if you plan to apply for a casting and present samples of your work, it should be fairly easy for the person you're trying to impress to view that work.

Providing a link to another site that your intended viewer may or may not be able to get to is stupid. The burden is on the person applying to the casting to make this a simple, easy prospect.  The simplest and easiest way to show someone your work when you're applying to a casting here is to host it here.

Don't want to pay for more photos? Fine, do a great job of picking your best work and showing it here on a free account.  Or get creative and have more than one account here.
Jan 10 13 05:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Hair Stylist
rick lesser
Posts: 685
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Wow, you all think I'm anti facebook.  I'm not.  I just have no interest in it.  Not bashing anything.  I'm just wondering.  In fact I thought about buying stock in it when the IPO came out.  R- (thank you James, my point as well)
Jan 10 13 05:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,418
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Raven-Lily wrote:
the plus side of facebook is you can upload any size/any amount of pics you like with no restrictions.. which is very helpful for photographers/models who have hundreds of photos to upload.. many people keep their photography page strictly for portfolio pics and connecting with others in the photography world.

so no falling out of a club/family pics.

maybe your dislike for using social networking for your work is holding you back from finding even more work for yourself, so essentially you are the one losing out, no one else.

just my two cents.

If you can't show me that you are the right model in the 15 images you have on Model Mayhem, why on earth do I want to look at even more?  I don't mind the option to see more pics if I want to - but don't respond to my Model Mayhem casting and tell me to go to Facebook because you don't have recent pics here.

I also can't hire you for a nude shoot based of your Facebook shots - since they don't allow nudes, and it seems at times also restrict even tamer content.

I am on Facebook, but I don't care to wait for models to accept my Friend Request before I can see photos - so they better at least have a public photo gallery.

Just my $0.02

Jan 10 13 05:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:

True.  And good point.

I have a website.  It looks like crap because I built it.  I COULD have a pretty nice business website, but I'd either have to spend 3000 hours learning how to build it, or $3000 to have someone else build it for me.  I choose to do neither.

Lots of people testing the waters as models or photographers won't justify the creation of a real site when there are so many free templated options.  And Facebook is a kind of a great equalizer for online presence.  Everyone's Facebook page is formatted pretty much the same.  The only thing different is the content.

So to shit on Facebook as another avenue for interaction, either personally or professionally, is to shit on your potential clients and collaborators who choose to use it as their primary means of contact.


Do what you want.  It doesn't really affect anyone else doing what they want.


Disclaimer:  I get more paid work as a result of Facebook than I ever did through my website or Model Mayhem.

You can get a nice site way cheaper. smile


Ive been down the facebook road, was there for a few years.. its changes were too crappy for me so it was time to say goodbye. The stock market has had a serious negative impact IMO.

I do still have my personal page I just shut down the fan page. My business page also caused me stalkers, poaching, and drama from jealous photographer and models.. Even paying clients were harassed just because they were cute and posted them on my page!

However, I dont diss anyone who uses it at all. Its just not for me and one should always send a website link over a fan page. big_smile

Jan 10 13 05:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MakeupbyShannonMarie
Posts: 2
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Business is changing.

I agree!

Social Networking can be an amazing platform! How many gigs have you recieved becuase of word of mouth?

Facebook is just another form of "word of mouth"!  Get a professional page, create an online "community" surrounding your work, build connections and get more jobs!

It's just that simple!

Jan 10 13 05:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
MakeupbyShannonMarie
Posts: 2
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.

Jan 10 13 05:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bold Sheep Photography
Posts: 234
Blacksburg, Virginia, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:

True.  And good point.

I have a website.  It looks like crap because I built it.  I COULD have a pretty nice business website, but I'd either have to spend 3000 hours learning how to build it, or $3000 to have someone else build it for me.  I choose to do neither.

Lots of people testing the waters as models or photographers won't justify the creation of a real site when there are so many free templated options.  And Facebook is a kind of a great equalizer for online presence.  Everyone's Facebook page is formatted pretty much the same.  The only thing different is the content.

So to shit on Facebook as another avenue for interaction, either personally or professionally, is to shit on your potential clients and collaborators who choose to use it as their primary means of contact.


Do what you want.  It doesn't really affect anyone else doing what they want.


Disclaimer:  I get more paid work as a result of Facebook than I ever did through my website or Model Mayhem.

+1

Jan 10 13 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


I think we all get time are changing but one thing that will never change.. If you are a professional applying for work, a bid, whatever.. your website will always trump social media. Period.
Jan 10 13 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,585
Jacksonville, Florida, US


FB is quickly becoming a MYSPACE..and we all seen how that ended up...worthless
Jan 10 13 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY wrote:
FB is quickly becoming a MYSPACE..and we all seen how that ended up...worthless

Yes, there has been a decline in users..

Jan 10 13 05:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,658
Houston, Texas, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Yes.

Why WOULD you want a presence on the largest social networking site on the planet.
Stay strong. Buck the system. Screw what everyone else is doing and an easy way to communicate.




Business is changing.  Change with it, or die.



Then again, if you're doing a bang up job without facebook, then who cares.

I think it depends on your market and clientele.  Mine is commercial and they have little interest in FB..but if my clientele was family/weddings..etc.. I could see it as possible lead for that sort of work.

Hmm I'm curious...do you see FB as an important factor for getting you business?

Jan 10 13 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,209
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Azimuth Arts wrote:

If you can't show me that you are the right model in the 15 images you have on Model Mayhem, why on earth do I want to look at even more?  I don't mind the option to see more pics if I want to - but don't respond to my Model Mayhem casting and tell me to go to Facebook because you don't have recent pics here.

I also can't hire you for a nude shoot based of your Facebook shots - since they don't allow nudes, and it seems at times also restrict even tamer content.

I am on Facebook, but I don't care to wait for models to accept my Friend Request before I can see photos - so they better at least have a public photo gallery.

Just my $0.02

+1 million.  I give people a few seconds to catch my attention just like every other human.  Add to that that FB f***s images over with their compression why the hell do I want to go there.

I have a few FB pages, but its not my online portfolio, its a social networking site.

Jan 10 13 05:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GCobb Photography
Posts: 15,885
Southaven, Mississippi, US


KA Style wrote:

Yes, there has been a decline in users..

Proof or just blowing smoke?  $1.5 billion must suck pretty bad.

I use it as an effective marketing tool.  And I make more money as a result than I do anywhere else.  I don't send people there to look at work but do have some things there to keep my page active or share with others who use it.

Jan 10 13 05:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


GCobb Photography wrote:
Proof or just blowing smoke?  $1.5 billion must suck pretty bad.

I use it as an effective marketing tool.  And I make more money as a result than I do anywhere else.  I don't send people there to look at work but do have some things there to keep my page active or share with others who use it.

Google it. I only blow smoke when I smoke. big_smile


It can be a great marketing tool if it works for you but it should not be your primary, just an "extra" as I stated before.

Jan 10 13 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Natural Means
Posts: 523
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


rick lesser wrote:
Am I the only one not on Facebook?  I have a casting going on at the moment and some of you are sending me to facebook to see your work.  Does everyone assume that we are all on facebook and is it professional to send someone there for business?  Since I have no account (and no interest in opening one) you have lost any chance of me hiring you.   R-

Yep.  here for glamour networking. FB for social networking.

Jan 10 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
Makeup Hair by Dani B
Posts: 709
Seattle, Washington, US


I just checked my messages here and the last one I read was from a photographer asking me if I had a Facebook account, too funny.

I told him that I had a personal FB account, and a professional website and provided the link. I do see it being used for business more and more, but I prefer to keep those worlds separate.
Jan 10 13 06:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,362
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


question for posters in this thread, not the OP:

so do we add FB to the list of adversarial topics here in the forums?
escorts, canon V Nikon, flakes, creepy photographers, art vs porn, TFP vs paid shoots, and the infinite remainder?

ever heard of live and let live?

so you hate FB? I'm sure you are hooked into something that the rest of us hate.

do what works for you.

Yes, I have a FB profile. its linked from my MM profile. If anyone wants to know more about me, FB is a fairly "ok" place to find out? while you are there, check any of the 24 albums I have there? check more references on me? or.........not.
Jan 10 13 06:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bearz Images
Posts: 782
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Its all about exposure.
Jan 10 13 06:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L Cowles Photography
Posts: 830
Corona, California, US


I always find it silly to send people to your facebook page but have it set up that only friends can see your images.
Jan 10 13 06:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


KA Style wrote:
Yes, but a big corporation will have a website first then have you look at their FB.. Only a FB page is not the way to run business if you are a professional. It should be used as an "extra" to your business.

If I were applying for a job or the like I would never send a social media site, Id send my website.

I absolutely agree with you. And of course a large corp. wouldn't only have a FB page but may use it for certain interactions.

But really my point was only to illustrate that there could be times the OP might find it worthwhile to make it over to FB and, more importantly, not to just dismiss those models so quickly.

I know this makes me sound very pro-FB and I am so not (so I do understand the OP may not actually be anti-FB but just not interested in being forced to go there to see someone's work).

Jan 10 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,546
Plainview, Texas, US


FB, MM and business websites all have their place. As do Flickr, Photoshelter and a dozen others. Keep in mind that most of the people on MM are not professionals - they are hobbyists or beginners. You can accept them as they are or move on to someone else.

I was reluctant to join FB, but it has worked out surprisingly well for me. Models may not think about it, but in most cases when they show me their FB they give me a look at their personal life - for better or worse. A couple of times it has helped avoid disaster - for example the model who posted on FB about her boyfriend being a burglar. In contrast, I've also found a few who showed great attitude and strong family connections.

And as it turns out I have booked far more work - paid and trade - through FB than ever on MM.

Although I planned to keep my FB mostly for business as it turns out I have reconnected with a lot of old friends and past colleagues  - some of whom I had lost track of years ago. So it has paid off personally as well.

Having said all that, I am still careful. I always remember all the world can see anything I put on FB (or MM or my own site for that matter) and I don't put up anything I wouldn't want my family, business associates or client prospects to see.

So no, I do not mind if a prospective model sends me a FB link, or anyplace else. It is just one more tool I can use in the selection process.
Jan 10 13 07:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Makeup Artist
LC Makeup and Styling
Posts: 90
Perth, Western Australia, Australia


Bold Sheep Photography wrote:

+1

Me too!  IVe set up a business page because I do Nails as well. Plus I love that you can upload photos of any size. I ve had so many job opportunities come to me through FB.  But each to their own.

Jan 10 13 07:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AG_Boston
Posts: 342
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Boooooo Facebook!

I don't have an account, can't wait until its time has passed and hate its existence. Without Facebook, I manage to get lots of photo shoots, and don't get found by classmates I've long since forgot.

Booooooo!
Jan 10 13 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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