Laura UnBound
Posts: 24,716
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Anna Adrielle wrote: I totally disagree with that. If you are going to make judgements like that (which you shouldn't anyway, but I'll just play along with the OP here....), skirt length alone is not enough of a variable. There are long skits that are completely seethrough, and there are miniskirts that you can wear with dark tights, flats and a top with no cleavage that don't look sexy at all. Too many variables.
Okay, now that I have adressed the OP... I don't find the "asking for it" funny, at all. Rape-mentality is not something people should joke about...
Good thing it wasnt actually a joke, but a rather serious statement about our rape culture and slut shaming society.
I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.
My question is what is the message of this photo and who is it supposed to reach?
I think the most powerful opportunity that the image has would be to reach the people to believe some of those things to be true, and then get them to think about them, and begin to change their mind about them.
I'm not sure that the image complete enough to do that.
Lawrence Guy
Posts: 17,140
PUTNAM VALLEY, New York, US
In Balance Photography wrote: My question is what is the message of this photo and who is it supposed to reach?
I think the most powerful opportunity that the image has would be to reach the people to believe some of those things to be true, and then get them to think about them, and begin to change their mind about them.
I'm not sure that the image complete enough to do that.
What really is important is making this dialogue spread through society by osmosis. If the image doesn't reach the "target audience" it doesn't matter, since people who see it and discuss it will have a tendency to be more vocal/informed on the subject in the future. This helps percolate the ideas through society. Just because Joe Rapist doesn't get the point doesn't mean it's a loss, if Joe Rapist's friends get the point and stop Joe instead of remaining silent.
What really is important is making this dialogue spread through society by osmosis. If the image doesn't reach the "target audience" it doesn't matter, since people who see it and discuss it will have a tendency to be more vocal/informed on the subject in the future. This helps percolate the ideas through society. Just because Joe Rapist doesn't get the point doesn't mean it's a loss, if Joe Rapist's friends get the point and stop Joe instead of remaining silent.
Studies show that men that admit to committing rape acts (rape as a description, not using the word rape) in a survey also believe everyone else has done the same type of thing. Rapists tend to think everyone else is a rapist and believes the same things they do; spreading the message that this type of assumption for a woman's clothing is le bullshit does good in removing that societal support for rape.
Lawrence Guy
Posts: 17,140
PUTNAM VALLEY, New York, US
Damianne wrote: Studies show that men that admit to committing rape acts (rape as a description, not using the word rape) in a survey also believe everyone else has done the same type of thing. Rapists tend to think everyone else is a rapist and believes the same things they do; spreading the message that this type of assumption for a woman's clothing is le bullshit does good in removing that societal support for rape.
I met one of those once, that I know of. Scary person. This was in junior high, and he was facing charges already. He complained to me that "she shouldn't have been where she was" to justify him and a bunch of his friends assaulting her. I was afraid to call him on it for fear he would turn violent.
K I C K H A M
Posts: 12,954
Los Angeles, California, US
NikkiVendetta wrote: I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.
A high school girl took this.
I remember being in high school and hearing about a girl I went to middle school with being raped. The words "asked for it" were literally used.
You're missing the point of the picture. It's saying that people think skirt length can determine so much when, in reality, it means so little.
The phrase "asking for it" is alive and well in our community, and ignoring it does NOT make it go away. Do you think girls put on and participate in Slut Walk because they WANT discourse to stop?
NikkiVendetta wrote: I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.
::sigh::
Would you mind, terribly much articulating your take on the photographer's intent? Please, just verbalize it for us. Not your reaction to the photo itself but, as clearly and as concisely as you can, state your assessment of the intention of the photographer.
I met one of those once, that I know of. Scary person. This was in junior high, and he was facing charges already. He complained to me that "she shouldn't have been where she was" to justify him and a bunch of his friends assaulting her. I was afraid to call him on it for fear he would turn violent.
Many rapists don't face charges and don't really think they raped anyone at all.
I guarantee you that you have met more than the one rapist, and if you're a friendly person, probably called at least one a friend in your lifetime.
All of us have.
Michael Kerrek wrote: Really? No one here has a problem with "asking for it"?
It's a political statement, of course *most* of us are against that saying. But, it's also a piece of art, which is rather intriguing the more I look at it.
I would like to know if this high school photographer decided to do research on rape culture first or if she just decided to do this based on how tv depicts rape victims in shows.
Many rapists don't face charges and don't really think they raped anyone at all.
I guarantee you that you have met more than the one rapist, and if you're a friendly person, probably called at least one a friend in your lifetime.
All of us have.
Most rapes don't get reported, because most rapes aren't random assaults in the streets but committed by someone the victim knows - often a family member, colleague, someone in the circle of friends.
The rapists that do get caught are usually serial rapists, the guys that roofie women or jump them in dark alleys.
NikkiVendetta wrote: I would like to know if this high school photographer decided to do research on rape culture first or if she just decided to do this based on how tv depicts rape victims in shows.
Maybe she picked it up from living in our society. That would be the first place I'd look.
I'm going to agree. Also to add background that wasn't added since I know the person who took it since I follow her on tumblr. This was made as high school project and is a self-portrait. Any of you who say I hate people who judge others by clothing are lying to yourselves. We all judge people by how they walk, what they wear, the color of their hair and everything. It's a human trait. If you disagree, ok. However, this is very true to life
we are hard wired to judge. It is the same system that keeps us safe... but the cost to us is so severe.
Andrea Rosu
Posts: 1,668
San Francisco, California, US
Shon D.- Homme wrote:
No it's not. I think people are totally missing the point of this photograph. It's a FEMINIST piece. We live in a culture that privileges men and promotes rape. When a woman is raped, society points the finger AT HER. Well, why was she out that late at night? Why was she alone? Why was she unarmed? How much did she have to drink? Why was her skirt that short? Did she lead him on? Was she "asking for it?" etc etc etc.
This photo illustrates rape culture perfectly.
THANK YOU for describing the complex purpose behind this great image so succinctly and accurately.
maybe at a truckstop (just going off of stereotypes)
but a lot of whores dress less provocative than the general public, they are also rolling in dough. I'm talking about brokered escorts though, they don't really need to advertise when they are going out
if you see a whore on the streets, yell "this isn't 1980, why aren't you on backpage!"
Stephen Dawson wrote: A photographer's depiction of societal views of women's skirt length associated with the stereotypes assigned to women. Your thoughts?
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