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Damianne
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Austin, Texas, US


We lost her over this?
Whoa.
Jan 11 13 05:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
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Berkeley, California, US


Shon D.- Homme wrote:
This photo illustrates rape culture perfectly.

Yep.

I like it.

Jan 11 13 10:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,337
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I wear matronly skirts. That's okay.
Jan 11 13 10:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,230
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Anna Adrielle wrote:
I totally disagree with that. If you are going to make judgements like that (which you shouldn't anyway, but I'll just play along with the OP here....), skirt length alone is not enough of a variable. There are long skits that are completely seethrough, and there are miniskirts that you can wear with dark tights, flats and a top with no cleavage that don't look sexy at all. Too many variables.

Okay, now that I have adressed the OP... I don't find the "asking for it" funny, at all. Rape-mentality is not something people should joke about...

Good thing it wasnt actually a joke, but a rather serious statement about our rape culture and slut shaming society.

Jan 11 13 11:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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NikkiVendetta
Posts: 24
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.
Jan 12 13 01:58 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
Posts: 3,370
Boston, Massachusetts, US


My question is what is the message of this photo and who is it supposed to reach?

I think the most powerful opportunity that the image has would be to reach the people to believe some of those things to be true, and then get them to think about them, and begin to change their mind about them.

I'm not sure that the image complete enough to do that.
Jan 12 13 05:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Lawrence Guy
Posts: 17,653
LAKE PEEKSKILL, New York, US


In Balance Photography wrote:
My question is what is the message of this photo and who is it supposed to reach?

I think the most powerful opportunity that the image has would be to reach the people to believe some of those things to be true, and then get them to think about them, and begin to change their mind about them.

I'm not sure that the image complete enough to do that.

What really is important is making this dialogue spread through society by osmosis. If the image doesn't reach the "target audience" it doesn't matter, since people who see it and discuss it will have a tendency to be more vocal/informed on the subject in the future. This helps percolate the ideas through society. Just because Joe Rapist doesn't get the point doesn't mean it's a loss, if Joe Rapist's friends get the point and stop Joe instead of remaining silent.

Jan 12 13 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Lawrence Guy wrote:

What really is important is making this dialogue spread through society by osmosis. If the image doesn't reach the "target audience" it doesn't matter, since people who see it and discuss it will have a tendency to be more vocal/informed on the subject in the future. This helps percolate the ideas through society. Just because Joe Rapist doesn't get the point doesn't mean it's a loss, if Joe Rapist's friends get the point and stop Joe instead of remaining silent.

Studies show that men that admit to committing rape acts (rape as a description, not using the word rape) in a survey also believe everyone else has done the same type of thing. Rapists tend to think everyone else is a rapist and believes the same things they do; spreading the message that this type of assumption for a woman's clothing is le bullshit does good in removing that societal support for rape.

Jan 12 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38,183
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Its a good shot
Jan 12 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lawrence Guy
Posts: 17,653
LAKE PEEKSKILL, New York, US


Damianne wrote:
Studies show that men that admit to committing rape acts (rape as a description, not using the word rape) in a survey also believe everyone else has done the same type of thing. Rapists tend to think everyone else is a rapist and believes the same things they do; spreading the message that this type of assumption for a woman's clothing is le bullshit does good in removing that societal support for rape.

I met one of those once, that I know of. http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngperson. This was in junior high, and he was facing charges already. He complained to me that "she shouldn't have been where she was" to justify him and a bunch of his friends assaulting her.  I was afraid to call him on it for fear he would turn violent.

Jan 12 13 01:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,630
Los Angeles, California, US


NikkiVendetta wrote:
I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.

A high school girl took this.

I remember being in high school and hearing about a girl I went to middle school with being raped. The words "asked for it" were literally used.

You're missing the point of the picture. It's saying that people think skirt length can determine so much when, in reality, it means so little.

The phrase "asking for it" is alive and well in our community, and ignoring it does NOT make it go away. Do you think girls put on and participate in Slut Walk because they WANT discourse to stop?

I can pretty much guarantee you the answer is no.

Jan 12 13 02:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kincaid Blackwood
Posts: 23,348
Atlanta, Georgia, US


NikkiVendetta wrote:
I find even putting 'asking for it' to be disgusting and you know what? In Winnipeg we have a 'slut walk' (which also happens in other cities.) and they give speeches wearing the clothes they Nwere raped in and most of the time the girls are wearing baggy loose fitting clothes so to say that's accurate to put down 'asking for it' is not true at all. I find this picture insulting because of that and I can only imagine the pain it brings up to rape victims especially with how false it is.

::sigh::


Would you mind, terribly much articulating your take on the photographer's intent?  Please, just verbalize it for us.  Not your reaction to the photo itself but, as clearly and as concisely as you can, state your assessment of the intention of the photographer.

Jan 12 13 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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R_Marquez
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San Francisco, California, US


I was hoping to see more pictures of women in all types of different skirts. Pencil skirts being one of my personal favorites.
Jan 12 13 03:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Austin, Texas, US


Lawrence Guy wrote:
I met one of those once, that I know of. http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngperson. This was in junior high, and he was facing charges already. He complained to me that "she shouldn't have been where she was" to justify him and a bunch of his friends assaulting her.  I was afraid to call him on it for fear he would turn violent.

Many rapists don't face charges and don't really think they raped anyone at all.
I guarantee you that you have met more than the one rapist, and if you're a friendly person, probably called at least one a friend in your lifetime.
All of us have.

Jan 12 13 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12,714
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Michael Kerrek wrote:
Really? No one here has a problem with "asking for it"?

It's a political statement, of course *most* of us are against that saying. But, it's also a piece of art, which is rather intriguing the more I look at it.

Jan 12 13 06:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Kitty LaRose
Posts: 12,714
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


R_Marquez wrote:
Pencil skirts being one of my personal favorites.

+1

Jan 12 13 06:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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udor
Posts: 22,062
New York, New York, US


KelliOnLineGlamourNude  wrote:
I think it's ridiculous to judge people on clothing. I wore really short, tight mini skirts only when I was a virgin. wink

So people could get a better look of your hymen? tongue

Jan 12 13 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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NikkiVendetta
Posts: 24
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


I would like to know if this high school photographer decided to do research on rape culture first or if she just decided to do this based on how tv depicts rape victims in shows.
Jan 13 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Russian Katarina
Posts: 1,413
London, England, United Kingdom


Damianne wrote:

Many rapists don't face charges and don't really think they raped anyone at all.
I guarantee you that you have met more than the one rapist, and if you're a friendly person, probably called at least one a friend in your lifetime.
All of us have.

Most rapes don't get reported, because most rapes aren't random assaults in the streets but committed by someone the victim knows - often a family member, colleague, someone in the circle of friends.

The rapists that do get caught are usually serial rapists, the guys that roofie women or jump them in dark alleys.

Jan 13 13 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
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V Laroche
Posts: 2,746
New Orleans, Louisiana, US


NikkiVendetta wrote:
I would like to know if this high school photographer decided to do research on rape culture first or if she just decided to do this based on how tv depicts rape victims in shows.

Maybe she picked it up from living in our society. That would be the first place I'd look.

Jan 13 13 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
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Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,357
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Shon D.- Homme wrote:

SERIOUSLY.

But does it surprise you?

The whoosh doesn't surprise me at all.

MM never disappoints.

Jan 13 13 09:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Anna Adrielle wrote:

ofcourse everybody judges, I'm not saying that we don't. but that's different from thinking someone is a whore because they're wearing a short skirt hmm

And he is saying just because you don't think that way doesn't mean it isn't a widely used stereotype.

Jan 13 13 09:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


V Laroche wrote:

Maybe she picked it up from living in our society. That would be the first place I'd look.

^^^

Jan 13 13 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Two Pears Studio
Posts: 3,332
Wilmington, Delaware, US


Ashley Graham wrote:

I'm going to agree. Also to add background that wasn't added since I know the person who took it since I follow her on tumblr. This was made as high school project and is a self-portrait. Any of you who say I hate people who judge others by clothing are lying to yourselves. We all judge people by how they walk, what they wear, the color of their hair and everything. It's a human trait. If you disagree, ok. However, this is very true to life

we are hard wired to judge. It is the same system that keeps us safe... but the cost to us is so severe.

Jan 13 13 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
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Andrea Rosu
Posts: 1,669
San Francisco, California, US


Shon D.- Homme wrote:

No it's not. I think people are totally missing the point of this photograph. It's a FEMINIST piece. We live in a culture that privileges men and promotes rape. When a woman is raped, society points the finger AT HER. Well, why was she out that late at night? Why was she alone? Why was she unarmed? How much did she have to drink? Why was her skirt that short? Did she lead him on? Was she "asking for it?" etc etc etc.

This photo illustrates rape culture perfectly.

THANK  YOU for describing the complex purpose behind this great image so succinctly and accurately.

Jan 13 13 09:37 am  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


This is the kind of skirt I prefer. I believe it denotes "a liberated woman who doesn't give a flying fuck what people think" big_smile

http://stefanobrunesci.tumblr.com/post/ … o-brunesci (18+)




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jan 13 13 02:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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JJMiller
Posts: 523
Buffalo, New York, US


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg

It's been explained already ^
Jan 13 13 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


maybe at a truckstop (just going off of stereotypes)

but a lot of whores dress less provocative than the general public, they are also rolling in dough. I'm talking about brokered escorts though, they don't really need to advertise when they are going out

if you see a whore on the streets, yell "this isn't 1980, why aren't you on backpage!"
Jan 13 13 02:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
Posts: 15,867
New York, New York, US


KelliOnLineGlamourNude  wrote:
I think it's ridiculous to judge people on clothing. I wore really short, tight mini skirts only when I was a virgin. wink
udor wrote:
So people could get a better look of your hymen? tongue

HAHAHAHAHA

I knew you were going to say something

I thought there was some irony in the statement, since she is not a virgin anymore.

Jan 13 13 02:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


In Balance Photography wrote:
I'm not sure that the image complete enough to do that.

I think this says it better smile

http://zeldalily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/not-asking-for-it.jpg



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jan 13 13 02:36 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 16,091
New York, New York, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

I think this says it better smile

http://zeldalily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/not-asking-for-it.jpg



Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

You Rock for posting this

Jan 13 13 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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AdelaideJohn1967
Posts: 12,555
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


R_Marquez wrote:
I was hoping to see more pictures of women in all types of different skirts. Pencil skirts being one of my personal favorites.

Pencil skirts are great.

I prefer longish but tight skirts that show the hips and bum......

Jan 15 13 06:21 am  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 16,091
New York, New York, US


Silly image. Who cares.

If someone wants to challenge the amount of ass they show on a daily basis, that's their prerogative.

My preference to all this?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=HyJUm1K1 … yJUm1K1Etc
Jan 15 13 06:23 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
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Washington, District of Columbia, US


Jan 15 13 06:35 am  Link  Quote 
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RachelReilly
Posts: 1,727
Washington, District of Columbia, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
This is the kind of skirt I prefer. I believe it denotes "a liberated woman who doesn't give a flying fuck what people think" big_smile

http://stefanobrunesci.tumblr.com/post/ … o-brunesci (18+)




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Lol so modest

Jan 15 13 06:37 am  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 16,091
New York, New York, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
This is the kind of skirt I prefer. I believe it denotes "a liberated woman who doesn't give a flying fuck what people think" big_smile

http://stefanobrunesci.tumblr.com/post/ … o-brunesci (18+)




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano
www.stefanobrunesci.com

Beautiful image I must say:)

Jan 15 13 06:42 am  Link  Quote 
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-Nicole-
Posts: 19,184
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Stephen Dawson wrote:
A photographer's depiction of societal views of women's skirt length associated with the stereotypes assigned to women. Your thoughts?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/481356_457639124297632_892639778_n.jpg

I love this. So much.

Jan 15 13 07:14 am  Link  Quote 
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-Nicole-
Posts: 19,184
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Michael Kerrek wrote:
Really? No one here has a problem with "asking for it"?

No. I believe that's one of the points of the picture?

Jan 15 13 07:21 am  Link  Quote 
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AdelaideJohn1967
Posts: 12,555
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia


Did anyone notice "Prudish" was spelled wrong in the photo?

big_smile
Jan 15 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jules NYC
Posts: 16,091
New York, New York, US


AdelaideJohn1967 wrote:
Did anyone notice "Prudish" was spelled wrong in the photo?

big_smile

lol

Wonder if that was some kind of social experiment;)

Jan 16 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
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