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Photographer
John Horwitz
Posts: 2,585
Raleigh, North Carolina, US


Have you thought about a full page ad on craigslist?
Jan 11 13 09:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


Greg Kolack wrote:

I don't see how it would be "false advertising," when retouching is a major part of advertising.

Not sure who you think you would report that to...

Or why...

ditto..

Jan 11 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


My thing here, is why does this upset you so much? It happens a lot in the industry, and frankly their pictures together have nothing to do with you.
Jan 11 13 03:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sammyspade
Posts: 98
Portland, Oregon, US


KonstantKarma wrote:
Outlaw photoshop.

When photoshop is outlawed, only the outlaws will photoshop.

Jan 11 13 03:16 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Carolina Goddess
Posts: 146
Augusta, Georgia, US


So what about Green screens? Or changing the back ground? I have never been to Hawaii but I have a photo of me there. Is that false advertising too? So the photographer makes her look thinner. If it isn't costing you work don't be so concerned. Any other photographer wanting to work with her will ask to see unretouched images or send her away if he/she doesn't want to work with her.
Jan 11 13 03:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Raven-Lily
Posts: 77
Eastbourne, England, United Kingdom


i can see why photographers sometimes slim models down with photoshop

in my own experience, i look much bigger in my photos than i do in real life.

Many photographers have commented 'god you are so slim, your photos dont do you justice'

so most photographers using this technique are probably just trying to make them look like their true selves.... if it goes too far and doesnt show them as they are then that is an issue to be addressed.
Jan 11 13 03:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Stephannie_Lynn wrote:
So there is this model and a photographer, both which I know personally. Well, the photographer LOVES to use photo shop to make his "models" look thinner, and those said models are posting those photos to their pages. While I could point out to you the model and as I told you the imperfections, you would be like, wow.. yeah, I can totally tell. How do you report something like that. If I were a photographer and I contacted this model and something other than what I saw on screen showed up, I would be livid.. There should be some type of rule behind this "false advertising"

Is this serious or am I on Candid Camera? Or did you just enter from another galaxy and want us to take you to our leader?

This isn't serious. Can't be. Please tell me it's a test or something.

Jan 11 13 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DG at studio47
Posts: 2,362
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


In the mid 70's my EX worked for a prominent commercial photo studio [nationwide]. One of her jobs was to look at preliminary prints and spot cover blemishes in photos using a tiny brush and color paint palette-most of the time she simply proofed images and marked the faults for an artist to do the work. Sometimes the client asked for various levels of 'retouching', one example being senior portraits where the senior had ache. The company had other 'artists' that could do darkroom work on images and also fine airbrush work and other mediums as well. When finished with the 'art' work, she said that they copied and reprinted the images as needed.
Now this is all digital and 'better' quality 'art'.....to each their own.

I regularly see profiles on here that are filled with "PERFECT" images--each and every one. Perfect MUA/HS/skin tone and smoothness. All the images are heavily PS'ed. Some have a webpage or pay site, and it is filled with more of the same. god forbid that anyone would see these people w/o PS.

I still say--to each their own. Its way too subjective to please everyone.
Jan 11 13 03:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


I am so disappointed. I thought the OP would at least stick around to yell "You've been Punk'd!"

But, alas, she hasn't returned.

Perhaps she is picketing outside Adobe HQ. Not to hijack the thread but I wonder what the picket sign would read? Any ideas?

"Liquify. A blender setting...not a body modification!"

"Hey Adobe! I got your Smart Object...it's my brain!"

"My Curves are natural...not Linear!"
Jan 11 13 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick Dupuis Photography
Posts: 6,822
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada


years ago... probably close to 20 now, Cindy Crawford was on a talk show and she brought a poster of herself. She held it up and used a black Sharpie. "The day this was taken I had a big zit here. I had a cold sore. I forgot to pluck my eyebrows...." It went on until you could barely tell it was her.
I think when you give a 160 pound woman an 18 inch waist, its silly. But to slim someone down or make the image better, I see nothing wrong with it.
Jan 11 13 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Westlake
Posts: 1,515
Mansfield Center, Connecticut, US


Chuckarelei wrote:
Report?

Have you ever seen an actual Big Mac like this at Macdonald's?
http://cdn.nhl.com/blues/images/upload/2010/10/bigmac_newmlogo.jpg

If they had a food stylist making the burgers it would no longer be fast food.

Jan 11 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Daxxx
Posts: 55
s-Gravenhage, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands


if a model is shown distorted, then the risk will be she will be send right back home...has happened ...

that's why it's important for a model to have some "polaroids" or snapshots... ie, no retouching and no distortion, only toning would be acceptable
Jan 11 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Maura Housley
Posts: 539
Frederick, Maryland, US


I used editing and body contouring as a matter of what is distracting/what will make the image slow better in terms of lines, etc. There has been times I have smoothed a line or two on the hip or even taken in the breast to have the photo less centered around that and more about the mood. I don't like doing drastic body contouring for any other reason because I feel like everyone is beautiful, but I do use it sometimes.
Jan 11 13 04:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,863
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Promotional Genius wrote:
... I use photo shop but not this way, I do lighting & colors, I do not change the body to something it is not.

Unless heavy post processing is done an an intentionally obviously artistic way, (like painting basically) I prefer to only shoot with photographers who do not change what "really is there." I appreciate post processing that enhances or does changes with light and color but, not altering what really is or isn't there.

Jen
p.s. recently took and posted a self shot polaroid to my profile and hope to do a body shot too, I like that honesty.

Jan 11 13 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,144
New York, New York, US


Stephannie_Lynn wrote:
So there is this model and a photographer, both which I know personally. Well, the photographer LOVES to use photo shop to make his "models" look thinner, and those said models are posting those photos to their pages. While I could point out to you the model and as I told you the imperfections, you would be like, wow.. yeah, I can totally tell. How do you report something like that. If I were a photographer and I contacted this model and something other than what I saw on screen showed up, I would be livid.. There should be some type of rule behind this "false advertising"

It's not false advertising. Portfolios are not to show what someone looks like in person, but what they look like in photos.

Jan 11 13 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ME_
Posts: 3,131
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I'm confused by the OP. She has pictures in her own portfolio that are either heavily retouched or are 10 or more years old. Who is she reporting these to?

Also, from the OP's profile:

I prefer to shoot on a white backdrop; sometimes my photo's are shot and produce the most aboslute gorgeous photo on the white backdrop, yet you can crop my photo off and drop it against any type of backdrop and that can alter the style within seconds.

So if I saw you in one of these altered pictures on say, a trapeze, and I thought that meant you were an experienced trapeze artist, you are saying that wouldn't be "false advertising"?

Jan 11 13 06:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GeM Photographic
Posts: 2,357
Chicago, Illinois, US


Greg Kolack wrote:

Actually, in the past there were photo retouchers who retouched the print and sometimes even the neg. I had a shot I did about 25 years ago in which a model had a flower in her hair. I loved the photo but hated the flower, so I had a retoucher remove the flower from her hair. Even on close inspection you couldn't tell the difference.

Retouching was very prominent in film photography - it was just done by hand, not digitally.

back in the day when "airbrushing" was done with an actual airbrush

Jan 11 13 06:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christopher Carter
Posts: 7,634
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


http://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-WcW4ZRL/0/X3/i-WcW4ZRL-X3.gif
Jan 11 13 07:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,212
Salem, Oregon, US


a local museum and wedding venue just posted a picture of one their buildings where someone had pasted in a huge closeup of the moon just behind the building.

you can't assume anything you see in an image is real.

George Ruge wrote:
Guys who over photoshop their pics are no longer photographers, but cartoonists!!:-))))

Jan 11 13 07:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dynamic Mobile Photo
Posts: 171
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia


what about the models that get air brushed and spray tanned, for advertising? is this wrong too? these are the times we live in
Jan 11 13 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,720
State College, Pennsylvania, US


People are welcome to report to me with cases of Photoshopping. I will make personal inspections of women's bodies; verifying the differences in size between their real boobs and they PS boobs, butt lifts, etc.

I am offering an introductory discount for anything associated with the labia.

It's a tough job, but...
Jan 11 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lars R Peterson
Posts: 1,069
Seattle, Washington, US


What about books?

I mean, I'm pretty sure the way we read something is NOT the way it originally came out of the author's head. That shit was edited!

Nothing is real.

Edit to add:

salvatori. wrote:
People are welcome to report to me with cases of Photoshopping. I will make personal inspections of women's bodies; verifying the differences in size between their real boobs and they PS boobs, butt lifts, etc.

I am offering an introductory discount for anything associated with the labia.

It's a tough job, but...

I am available for second opinions. smile

Jan 11 13 07:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jessie Shannon
Posts: 2,004
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Photos 4 The Memories  wrote:
And I raise you
http://www.modernmuscleforum.com/images/smilies/munchstretchcouch2.gif

^^  yep!

I always keep a couple of unretouched snapshots so people know what they are getting.

Jan 11 13 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,212
Salem, Oregon, US


especially the stuff in the non-fiction section. i think that's completely made up vs. the fiction section where maybe some of it is actually true. lol.

and don't even mention plagiarism.

Lars R Peterson wrote:
What about books?

I mean, I'm pretty sure the way we read something is NOT the way it originally came out of the author's head. That shit was edited!

Nothing is real.

Jan 11 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,720
State College, Pennsylvania, US


I won't even mention plagiarism.






wait...
Jan 11 13 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


From the OP's bio: " I feel every woman should feel the confidence of her inner beauty as well as her exterior beauty."

Maybe a little retouching on the exterior beauty of the model that you know personally is aiding her in achieving more confidence with her inner beauty.

Or is that just a statement you included because you thought it sounded really deep and philosophical?
Jan 12 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Stray Kat
Posts: 90
Morris, Illinois, US


WOW My Guess would be

If all of us models were perfect like you and all the photographers could take absolutely perfect photos like yours and we could be smarter in our choices for tattoo artists like you and finally all the photographers would stop wanting to use models to create there artwork and just accept the limitations of what the photo and backgrounds are.

You might be on to something here! Keep going with this Idea and you will be the only model anyone will hire in Illinois Because none are as perfect as You!

Im with Udor On this one!
Jan 12 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Designit - Edward Olson
Posts: 1,626
Eureka, California, US


You've all been trolled.
Jan 12 13 11:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
James Ireland
Posts: 188
Redlands, California, US


I love this thread for these reasons:

 

Photos 4 The Memories  wrote:
http://www.modernmuscleforum.com/images/smilies/munchstretchcouch2.gif
Mnemosyne Photography wrote:
http://mnemosyne.smugmug.com/photos/i-WcW4ZRL/0/X3/i-WcW4ZRL-X3.gif
Chuckarelei wrote:
http://cdn.nhl.com/blues/images/upload/2010/10/bigmac_newmlogo.jpg

Jan 12 13 11:21 am  Link  Quote 
Model
MB Jen B
Posts: 2,863
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


twoharts wrote:
.... what you see in some portfolios are photoshop confections, not reality. it's an idealized version of them.

...

I want to update my early post, (where I mentioned I preferred to shoot with photographers who did add or take away from what was really there.) I meant that in reply to the poster who said their models showed up looking very different from their pictures, (which were obviously enhanced.) So, no to adding an extra limb or removing one but, yes to the finishing enhancements!

I am so impressed with the work of the photographers in my port. "They" made/make me look beautiful.

Whenever I get a compliment on the pictures here or in real life I believe the credit should go to the photographer for more than just the capture and their view but, with their post processing choices. smile

I am very impressed and pleased with what they've done!
Jen

Jan 12 13 11:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Stray Kat
Posts: 90
Morris, Illinois, US


BTW
Quote from your BIO "I prefer to shoot on a white backdrop; sometimes my photo's are shot and produce the most absolute gorgeous photo on the white backdrop, yet you can crop my photo off and drop it against any type of backdrop and that can alter the style within seconds."

How do you do this without a photo shop or type editor? And wouldn't your skin tone have to be matched with the background the choose and what if its a classic blur match?

Look at what sells. A snap shot of a person doesn't sell. Its OK for personal family photo albums. But the modeling industry simply isn't about that. Marketing, Marketing, Marketing.
Jan 12 13 11:36 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
D S P
Posts: 510
Portland, Oregon, US


OP, this is why some of us require an unretouched image before hire a model. No big deal. Model doesn't want to, model doesn't get hired.
Jan 12 13 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,746
London, England, United Kingdom


Stephannie_Lynn wrote:
So there is this model and a photographer, both which I know personally. Well, the photographer LOVES to use photo shop to make his "models" look thinner, and those said models are posting those photos to their pages. While I could point out to you the model and as I told you the imperfections, you would be like, wow.. yeah, I can totally tell. How do you report something like that. If I were a photographer and I contacted this model and something other than what I saw on screen showed up, I would be livid.. There should be some type of rule behind this "false advertising"

You know them personally and want to report them? What do you do to your enemies?

Best not to get involved in something that doesnt affect you, it will be more trouble than it's worth.

Jan 13 13 02:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Sorry, OP, but a lot of photographers do this. Sometimes its less noticeable and they don't make the model thinner so much as use contouring to make certain things look a bit different, but it happens all the time in ads and magazines.

The models post them on their pages because those are the images they got from the photographer they shot with. The models have absolutely no control or say so whatsoever on how a photographer or retoucher manipulates their photos. If that is how they want to edit them in post, then that is what they want to do. It's no different than using photoshop to make somebody look like an alien or a mermaid. That's why you are supposed to post your correct measurements on your profile. If a photographer sees a super skinny model in the port but measurements that say something different when he looks at the bio, then it is up to the photographer to ask the model about the discrepancy.

You have no right to involve yourself in the business of others, and call people out and say, "Well Model X has a big nose but Photographer K photoshopped her nose to be way smaller."
Jan 14 13 12:06 am  Link  Quote 
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