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first123last
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,406
Sisters, Oregon, US


Neil Snape wrote:
You can't. Very strange but MM rules do not allow it. You cannot set links to out people or even mention their name either. I looked at her profile though and I am surprised at the tags left there.


I feel bad that this happens, as you had engaged in production studio etc and you get a no show.

This!

The site likely has some liability if one member makes disparaging remarks about another member that are perceived as damaging tp his/her business, and thus has a claim for monetary 'damages'.  We have to face the fact that we live in a litigious world.

Simon Fairclough wrote:
Still quite cross though, as there wasn't even a hint of an I'm sorry I'm ill or other excuse..
Yes I know it's happened to everyone, I just wanted to see if I could leave a neg feed back on here..

It's pretty well spelled out that you can't in the rules which you agreed to as a condition of membership. 

Mostl of us have had it happen.  Did you meet with the llama beforehand?  Sometimes a "pre-shoot" meeting will either give you a clue about the llama or you will both learn that working together might not be a good thing.

Her actions have made a statement of what sort of person she is.  So, get over it and move on with your life and your career.  Allowing this incident to disrupt your peace of mind is giving her more power than you would probably like.

My 2¢

Jan 11 13 09:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Drew Smith Photography wrote:
Don't you think that's kind of disrespectful to a lot of models (never mind anybody else) that are on MM, who's sole income is generated from modelling, that act professionally, always turn up, on time and ready to shoot?

OP - go read all the other threads on 'Flaking', folks here are only repeating what's been stated a thousand and one times before.

It very well may be and it's certainly unfortunate. On the other hand, it's also an unpleasant reality. Of course there are wonderful, professional models on MM, who do things the right way.

Unfortunately, there are also many who don't and there are no guarantees. Putting all your eggs in the MM basket on any project where you've invested time, money and your reputation is a crapshoot that is bound to eventually bite you.

There are absolutely no checks and balances with a MM model (or photographer or MUA). They don't show and maybe someone starts a thread to complain but there are no repercussions. Whereas, if the OP had hired an Agency model the likelihood of a flake is monumentally low because there are repercussions for that behavior and guarantees from the Agency.

Personally, I would never book a studio or pay anything that I could stand to lose on a model through the internet I had never worked with before. I just don't have that level of blind trust.

Jan 11 13 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,829
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


Outing and negative feedback usually ends up backfiring and making the person doing it look worse than the person they are trying to harm.

Let it go.
Jan 11 13 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TheLittleG Photography
Posts: 66
Columbus, Ohio, US


Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
I wish people would stop say grow up. How does venting about getting screwed indicate age or level of maturity. I don't care if you're 6 or 60, if you go to buy or trade something and you don't get what you agreed on, you're going to complain.

venting is one thing, posting on the models pictures that she is a flake goes way beyond venting, so yes he needs to grow up.

easy solution, require a deposit before the shoot. let the model know she will get it back as soon as she shows up for the shoot. no lawyers involved, no lengthy contracts just a deposit. especially if she is a newer model

Jan 11 13 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


or at least double/triple book. although that's no guarantee either.

i had a local photographer rent our studio to shoot one of our favorite models who then proceeded to stand him up. i think she had been out drinking the night before. so it goes on mayhem. needless to say she's no longer on my list (she didn't even bother to apologize to me about it).

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
Personally, I would never book a studio or pay anything that I could stand to lose on a model through the internet I had never worked with before. I just don't have that level of blind trust.

Jan 11 13 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


will any model go for that?

TheLittleG Photography wrote:
easy solution, require a deposit before the shoot. let the model know she will get it back as soon as she shows up for the shoot. no lawyers involved, no lengthy contracts just a deposit. especially if she is a newer model

Jan 11 13 09:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
I think in this case he and many others have the right to complain. If i lay out cash for someone else and they don't come through, I'm going to complain too.

I have to disagree with this. If I lay out cash for someone I've never met, from the internet, I have nobody but myself to blame if the plans go south.

There is risk hiring a model through the internet. Certainly we all know that. You weigh that risk, hopefully, and make our own risk/reward scenario. I can't imagine as the OP was paying this money, he never considered the possibility of the model being a no-show? That just shows poor planning to me.

I would never start a thread and say, "Hey, I foolishly spent a lot of money on a studio with no backup plan and no assurances the model would show...and she didn't show! Now I want her to pay for my poor planning!"

That just seems silly.

Jan 11 13 09:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sal W Hanna
Posts: 6,629
Huntington Beach, California, US


Greg Kolack wrote:
Outing and negative feedback usually ends up backfiring and making the person doing it look worse than the person they are trying to harm.

Let it go.

So everyone who leaves a negative review on Yelp about a business is making themselves look bad? I disagree. A negative review to me is simply a checks and balance system.

Light and Lens Studio wrote:
The site likely has some liability if one member makes disparaging remarks about another member that are perceived as damaging tp his/her business, and thus has a claim for monetary 'damages'.  We have to face the fact that we live in a litigious world.

You are absolutely right, we do live in a litigious society, but the site itself does not represent the statement of an individual member who authors a statement. There are laws (in the US) that prevent sites from being liable when a 3rd party on their site makes a statement. They are only liable when they make the statement themselves if the statement is nonfactual.

Keep in mind I'm not an attorney, but I am a licensed investigator that works with attorneys. I have dealt with these situations and have direct experience in how these cases work.

Jan 11 13 09:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Simon Fairclough
Posts: 13
London, England, United Kingdom


Thanks for all the support and I suppose the nay sayers are to be expected.
Guys this is not my first time round the block, I know how this works.
My problem was not the flaking it was the rudeness of not even calling to say sorry. I expect people to be ill and shit to happen, but as people we say sorry for our behaviour and mistakes.

The question was is there a way of leaving feedback and that was answered no there's not, this is a fault of this site and nothing else.

As to a plan B yeah I could have booked 50 models and hoped some would turn up but that wouldn't be fair, no there should be a complaint system and a way of warning other photographers about models and vice versa....

I've been a full time photographer for a couple of years so I don't have the experience of many here but I have seen the best and worse of net modelling in that time. thankfully the worse is very few and far between, I now have loads of models that are very dear friends and no shortage of subjects, hell people even pay me to shoot them. But I like to find new people to work with and maybe help someone like I was helped when I started, and this was the case this time, again why I am pissed about it..

I know this is an old debate and will raise its ugly head head again, I just hope todays model will think about what she did and remove herself from the site or just do the damn job..

:-)

PS the posting on the models page and pictures was a way of trying to get a response from her and were only there for 20 mins till I knew an email would have been sent and she could have seen them, all I had what else could I do..???
Jan 11 13 09:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


i think guys come on here thinking it will be easy and that all the models will fall all over themselves trying to shoot with them on trade. for some of us the reality is a bit different. having some ego is good but not when it makes you careless.

some guys are reporting 50%-80% flake rates.

Michael Pandolfo wrote:
I would never start a thread and say, "Hey, I foolishly spent a lot of money on a studio with no backup plan and no assurances the model would show...and she didn't show! Now I want her to pay for my poor planning!"

Jan 11 13 09:45 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


2 or 3 might have been enough. you never know. TF can be iffy. and sometimes i think their excuses are legitimate (i've seen models post pictures of terrible car crashes). if you only book one model (paid or TF) you are at some risk of a no-show. whereas supposedly with a good agency they will send a replacement.

how do you avoid he-said, she-said (and retaliation) with a complaint system? if you rat out a model she could say you did something inappropriate and maybe ruin your career. it would have to be moderated. would you pay extra for that service?

apparently even agencies (at least the smaller ones) aren't reliable anymore.

Simon Fairclough wrote:
As to a plan B yeah I could have booked 50 models and hoped some would turn up but that wouldn't be fair, no there should be a complaint system and a way of warning other photographers about models and vice versa....

Jan 11 13 09:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Simon Fairclough
Posts: 13
London, England, United Kingdom


Again....!! Not what I said...!! I asked if there was a way of leaving feed back..
Of course I considered the model would flake, It was only a test shoot it wasn't an important job and it was to help the model, that's not poor planning.. lol
Jan 11 13 09:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


apparently the llama didn't think it was going to be that helpful or she would have showed up! and if it was important to her she would have tried to reschedule if she had a legitimate excuse.

i haven't looked at your work but i do think some photographers on here overestimate their importance to the llama. we can't all be terry richardson.

for my part i've pretty much given up on TF with untested llamas. just not worth the hassle. i'll either hire a traveling llama or work with the llamas i know are reliable.

Simon Fairclough wrote:
It was only a test shoot it wasn't an important job and it was to help the llama, that's not poor planning.. lol

Jan 11 13 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,466
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
Interesting take on the situation but is it really that unreasonable to expect people to do what they say they're going to do that we have to go through life with a plan B?

When I call a meeting with a client, they show up
When a client calls me for a job, I show up
When you have a flight scheduled, you show up
When you have to be to work at 9am, you show up
You have a hair appointment, you show up
You have a dentist appointment, you show up
Why the hell is photography so much different that people just blow it off without regard for the others involved. And why should we, as photographers have to "expect" that to the point where we need a backup plan

The model not showing up is her fault. The photographer taking a chance with his money I guess is a lesson learned but if he didn't spend the cash then the should could never happen.

I guess the thing to do is to get a signed contract stating that if they don't show they're 100% liable for any and all expenditures that were spent on their behalf. Talk to lawyers, make a iron clad contract and don't' spend a dime without it being signed.

You should talk to Doctor's, dentists etc about people making appointments and not showing up.

Talk to people making appointments with contractors, plumbers etc about them not showing up.

This isn't anything new or have anything to do with the internet as someone mentioned in reply to your post.

This is how people behave and have always behaved. Rose colored glasses and "in my daying" about a time that never was aside.

Jan 11 13 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,310
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


The safest way without running afoul of MM's rules is to buy something from the llama on eBay.
Jan 11 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Simon Fairclough
Posts: 13
London, England, United Kingdom


twoharts wrote:
apparently the model didn't think it was going to be that helpful or she would have showed up! and if it was important to her she would have tried to reschedule if she had a legitimate excuse.

i haven't looked at your work but i do think some photographers on here overestimate their importance to the model. we can't all be terry richardson.

Apparently it was important to her right up to the point she had to show up, as she was asking me to shoot her.. Its not like I approached her.. So still my fault then..???
Even up to sending me an email last night..
again my only gripe is no phone call saying sorry I was... I'm not well etc..
If she'd phoned there wouldn't have been a problem.. I think you're right I should give up on testing with MM models..


Sorry have I now made that clear.. Thank you for reading

Jan 11 13 10:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,881
Imperial, California, US


I like the idea of commenting " picture of a flake " on their pics but I think that could get you brigged the hell out of here, so another good idea ruined:-))
Jan 11 13 10:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,750
Brooklyn, New York, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
I think this says more about the OP then it does about a flake internet model.
expecting an amateur online model, to act like professional model is an exercise in futility.

not having a viable plan B, when you outlay cash, is just silly.

a wasted day and wasted cash is not the models fault, it's the photographer's.

Yes and no.

Given the fact that it happens often enough, it might be prudent of the photographer to have a contingency plan in order to not let their time and expense go to waste.

However, that doesn't make it okay for the model to force that hand, amateur or not.  It may be the photographer's responsibility to be prepared, but what is he preparing for?  Two different shoots - even more time and effort, if not more money - which has nothing to do with the original agreement.

Saying it's the photographer's fault for losing time and money when a model no-shows is the same as saying it's the model's fault for losing time and money when she prepares for and travels to the shoot and the photographer flakes.

The fact that it happens and that one should prepare for it does not shift the blame from the one who lacks integrity onto the one who maintains theirs.

Jan 11 13 10:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jen B
Posts: 3,127
Hopkinsville, Kentucky, US


Simon Fairclough wrote:
...My problem was not the flaking it was the rudeness of not even calling to say sorry. I expect people to be ill and shit to happen, ....PS the posting on the models page and pictures was a way of trying to get a response from her and were only there for 20 mins till I knew an email would have been sent and she could have seen them, all I had what else could I do..???

Hopefully she isn't in an ICU or bodycast somewhere and won't come home from the hospital and see your posting/comment meltdown. sad
Jen

Jan 11 13 10:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David J Martin
Posts: 458
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


Simon Fairclough wrote:

Yes if only there was a plan B, fortunately this has only happened to me twice in three years of being on this site.
I think its about time the site had this function, most other sites do. And it works because I've not had a flake from Purple Port, its a shame because I shoot more fashion (as a level) and this site is better for fashion type models..

Anyway I'm not bitchin and moaning, shit happens, I just wanted to find out if I could leave neg feedback. Thanks for your answers

There is enough drama on MM already.  Could you imagine if they allowed the model-said/tog-said drama.  This site would self-destruct.

Jan 11 13 10:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


George Ruge wrote:
I like the idea of commenting " picture of a flake " on their pics but I think that could get you brigged the hell out of here, so another good idea ruined:-))

My professional side thinks it's awful. My vindictive side says I gotta admire the OP for having the massive nads to do that lol. That's pretty damn funny.

Jan 11 13 10:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jen B
Posts: 3,127
Hopkinsville, Kentucky, US


Aaron Lewis Photography wrote:
OK so you shot with a few photographer and received few or no photos form the shoot multiple times. That sucks BUT at least you were both there, you worked and if nothing good came of the shoot then so be it. I guess sometimes that happens?

...

It would have been better if they didn't show, at least I would have saved the hours of work!

Yeah, so sometimes flakes happen. I didn't post on their pages, however I did immaturely post a "do not recommend" for one until I realized it was negative.

I removed it, as well as removed the other guy from my "shot with" list.

Jen

Jan 11 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
Doing business on MM is a lot like doing business on an elementary school playground.
that's why i don't conduct business here. (the spaces between the letters in my name is more about hiding, then being cool).

If you have an important job, deal with professionals, in professional environments.
MM doesn't even resemble, not one little bit, a professional environment.

if your "plan A" includes MM, you most definitely need a "plan B".

Drew Smith Photography wrote:
Don't you think that's kind of disrespectful to a lot of models (never mind anybody else) that are on MM, who's sole income is generated from modelling, that act professionally, always turn up, on time and ready to shoot?

there are most certainly plenty of professional people that hang out here.  (personally i always live up to my word.)

Is it insulting to them?..i'm not sure, i think all the professionals realize what this place is and act accordingly...so my answer would probably be no, they wouldn't be insulted.

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Jan 11 13 10:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,750
Brooklyn, New York, US


MyrnaByrna wrote:

Hopefully she isn't in an ICU or bodycast somewhere and won't come home from the hospital and see your posting/comment meltdown. sad
Jen

Excellent point.

Jan 11 13 10:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


my last two flakes have been models who contacted me. i've decided that's a red flag for flaking. they can pay my rack rates if they want to work with me (and i require an upfront payment for paying customers).

i'm not saying it's your fault she didn't show (unless you somehow spooked her). just that it's not surprising based on my experience. things seem to have gotten worse over the years, not better.

Simon Fairclough wrote:
Apparently it was important to her right up to the point she had to show up, as she was asking me to shoot her.. Its not like I approached her.. So still my fault then..???

Jan 11 13 10:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


Lumatic wrote:
The fact that it happens and that one should prepare for it does not shift the blame from the one who lacks integrity onto the one who maintains theirs.

If i make a bad investment in either my time or money, i don't usually look for someone else to blame.

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Jan 11 13 10:18 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TheLittleG Photography
Posts: 66
Columbus, Ohio, US


Simon Fairclough wrote:
PS the posting on the models page and pictures was a way of trying to get a response from her and were only there for 20 mins till I knew an email would have been sent and she could have seen them, all I had what else could I do..???

so you sit at your computer 24/7
only gave her 20 minutes to be able to see them?

maybe she has something pop up in her life that she isn't able to respond.
if you have been in this business for as long as you say you have why are you so suprised that this happened.

some people just will not apologize, this is what you are so upset about? grow a pair and get over it.

what else could you have done?.... drop it and move on to the next model

Jan 11 13 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


especially if they contacted me then i would expect them to apologize and try to reschedule. the fact that they didn't try to reschedule suggests they blew it off and weren't that interested in the first place (unless the photographer spooked them or did a bait&switch on something). BURN IN HELL BITCH. lol.

apologies if the model did have something horrible happen. but i would assume that's rare compared to grandma resurrecting and dying again.

TheLittleG Photography wrote:
some people just will not apologize, this is what you are so upset about? grow a pair and get over it.

Jan 11 13 10:23 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TheLittleG Photography
Posts: 66
Columbus, Ohio, US


twoharts wrote:
especially if they contacted me then i would expect them to apologize and try to reschedule. the fact that they didn't try to reschedule suggests they blew it off and weren't that interested in the first place (unless the photographer spooked them or did a bait&switch on something). BURN IN HELL BITCH. lol.

apologies if the model did have something horrible happen. but i would assume that's rare compared to grandma resurrecting and dying again.


apparently where i live is different, it is very rare for anyone to apologize for anything as most people around here feel they do nothing wrong. even in the modeling world. i have had models contact me, we book the shoot, have a pre shoot meeting, discuss everything, then they not show. no text, to call no answer there phone. it happens, you move on and not schedule them again

that is why i say to get a deposit. and yes models will do that. especially if you explain to them why you are getting a deposit.  it works for me

Jan 11 13 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Guttke Photography
Posts: 6
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


This comes with the territory.  Counting on people is like counting on continental drift.  You learn who is professional, who respects you and your work, and that is the individual that you cherish.  It is always best to have a back up plan and back up model.  I no longer set up or heat my studio for an unknown commodity until they arrive.  Also request  notification of a cancellation- and accept any excuse (my dog ate my home work, I was kidnapped by aliens, my phone was swallowed by a porpoise)- just as long as they call.  You will learn who to depend upon and who not to depend upon.  No matter how handsome or how pretty, there is always someone else.  Someone whose parents brought them up correctly and understand the value of time and talent.
Jan 11 13 10:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Greg Kolack
Posts: 17,829
Downers Grove, Illinois, US


MyrnaByrna wrote:

Or the other thing to do, once you sit back and process it, is to grow up. I had to do this too.

I had to do this after showing up on time, ready, dressed and made up and opening my schedule to be at a shoot and doing the shoot and not receiving a single shot!!.

This happened 2x with a photographer who I'd shot with twice before and two other times with different photographers. The photographer who I shot with a total of four times and only received one photo each from our first two shoots said his life was getting really busy and also...I realized that he was pretty selfish with his trade shoots and hadn't given pictures to another model I know too! One other photographer was new and really just busy and the last one...just a jerk.

Lesson learned...griping or processing and venting is one thing but, when you get good advice to get over it and learn that it is a risk and to get better at who you select to share your time with then it is adult to move on.
Jen

I am loving you more and more with every post of yours I read.

Jan 11 13 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
New Art Photo
Posts: 701
Los Angeles, California, US


I do only TFP, and have found that if you spend sometime planning the shoot in advance, exchanging emails, discussing the look--I don't have girls flake on shoot day.
Yes, many girls ( who say they are interested) "flake" on you one or two emails in-- simply stop responding.
But to me, that's way preferable to arriving somewhere with my camera and finding no model.
Jan 11 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 1,633
San Francisco, California, US


Simon Fairclough wrote:

Ok done that..

Still quite cross though, as there wasn't even a hint of an I'm sorry I'm ill or other excuse..
Yes I know it's happened to everyone, I just wanted to see if I could leave a neg feed back on here..

If you pay, they will come
Quote from movie depth of field

Jan 11 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,750
Brooklyn, New York, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
If i make a bad investment in either my time or money, i don't usually look for someone else to blame.

Of course not, you're responsible for your own affairs.

Do your due diligence, but just keep in mind that there are two responsible parties here, not one.  In theory. 

This isn't the stock market.

Jan 11 13 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,554
Salem, Oregon, US


i've read flake posts from guys who were paying (and good money at that).

for my part i've had 100% success with the traveling models. they need the money to fund their trips (if not their rent).

PANHEAD PHOTOGRAPHY  wrote:
If you pay, they will come
Quote from movie depth of field

Jan 11 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,536
Portland, Oregon, US


Hero Foto wrote:
I am the owner of a company, I hire you to perform a task, I pay ALL the bills, even your compensation, + my heating electric, gas, taxes, rent etc ...

You no call no show? YOU'RE FIRED AND OUTTED ...

WHY?

Why would I wish that kind of behavior on my fellow business persons?

Fired?  Maybe / probably.

"Outted"?  I doubt that.  Where can I look up who's been fired?  Oh, I know -- the slander/libel suits at the courthouse.

Jan 11 13 10:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,495
San Diego, California, US


This is from another thread http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … 821&page=6
but by and large represents the sorry state of MM.

Don't know what to say about the OP's question, though, about leaving feedback. Maybe someone has started a MM Yelp page.  lol


Sophistocles wrote:
The vast majority of those listed as "model" do not need nor would they pay a photographer. They are not models. They are people who sign up for many reasons, none of which are career development. They think they can get paid. They think they can get an ego boost. They are not serious about the career, and, as such, do not fit in the market dynamic you describe, yet do exhibit the problem you identify.

Eliminate them, and you have a scarce pool of actual models and you then revert to the situation of needing a skill or product that they feel is valuable enough to offer payment or trade.

Basing your assessment on experience with this (or any other) portfolio and social networking site is going to give you the results you are experiencing.

This is the state of the market right now. I do not predict it will change in the next 2 to 3 years.

Neil Snape wrote:
What changed since 3 years ago exactly?

Sophistocles wrote:
Two things. First, the membership demographic as the market (if you can call it that) became mainstream.

And second, feeding the first, the success of the site vertical which feeds into the demographic inflow.

In other words, the vast influx of worthless accounts. Scammers and spammers that appear legit. Fake accounts from the curious. And, in cases where there is a real person, they tend to be someone who was told, "oh, you're pretty, you should be a model. Go sign up here and you'll make bank."

You can call them the delusional sector. Even if offered pay, it's for nudes and they will likely never follow through, which is a completely different, yet related, issue.

Is there a solution? Yes. There is. Im working on it. But if I go into detail here, this post will be hidden as spam, as I run another site where my development team is working on the code to implement the solution.

Jan 11 13 11:28 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Leone P
Posts: 515
Batley, England, United Kingdom


I have been reading this thread with interest since it started and figured I would add my opinion.

As far as the 'recommendation' feature that is seen on the likes of purestorm and purpleport, why bother? It won't be used correctly for both positive and negative reviews. I was approached by a photographer to do a shoot on purestorm. He had 12 positive reviews but I contacted a few of the models who had given said reviews and 5 of them came back to me with comments of 'inappropriate offers' and 'extremely unprofessional'. Yet they had given this guy good reviews.
If i worked with a photographer who was unprofessional in any way, I wouldn't want to leave negative reviews for fear of the response it would cause.
Then of course you will have people using the review feauture to pull apart anybody they had the slightest niggle with. Not good.


Lastly, I would like to urge all photographers not to just dismiss new models. I am a new model and I would never, ever flake on a photographer. I have had one or two flake on me but it didn't bother me, I just took note not to attempt work with that person again.
Don't tar all new models with the same brush. Some of us really do want to learn and grow within the industry in given the chance.
Having said that, I can understand why you may feel this way. Its just a shame

JMHO.

Leone P.
Jan 11 13 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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DougBPhoto
Posts: 38,431
Portland, Oregon, US


Leone P wrote:
I have been reading this thread with interest since it started and figured I would add my opinion.

As far as the 'recommendation' feature that is seen on the likes of purestorm and purpleport, why bother? It won't be used correctly for both positive and negative reviews. I was approached by a photographer to do a shoot on purestorm. He had 12 positive reviews but I contacted a few of the models who had given said reviews and 5 of them came back to me with comments of 'inappropriate offers' and 'extremely unprofessional'. Yet they had given this guy good reviews.
If i worked with a photographer who was unprofessional in any way, I wouldn't want to leave negative reviews for fear of the response it would cause.
Then of course you will have people using the review feauture to pull apart anybody they had the slightest niggle with. Not good.


Lastly, I would like to urge all photographers not to just dismiss new models. I am a new model and I would never, ever flake on a photographer. I have had one or two flake on me but it didn't bother me, I just took note not to attempt work with that person again.
Don't tar all new models with the same brush. Some of us really do want to learn and grow within the industry in given the chance.
Having said that, I can understand why you may feel this way. Its just a shame

JMHO.

Leone P.

Kudos to you for this post, there are too many people who think this site needs a feedback system without giving the matter adequate thought to realize the reality that you've shared.

Jan 11 13 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Aaliyah Love
Posts: 113
Los Angeles, California, US


You've only gotten 2 flakes in 3 years? Then you're very lucky! And always have a plan B and a plan C.. esp if you're spending money on a location and a mua, etc.
Jan 11 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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