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Amani Images
Posts: 65
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


I got in touch with this model that has a great look and fits right into the concept I have. She is experienced and I know other togs that have worked with her.
She contacted me back with conditions to shoot:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Its that last one that I am not sure about. Is this how more experienced models operate? Have you come across this before and did you go ahead and shoot?
Jan 11 13 11:47 am  Link  Quote 
Clothing Designer
Chain Reaction
Posts: 529
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Amani Images wrote:
I got in touch with this model that has a great look and fits right into the concept I have. She is experienced and I know other togs that have worked with her.
She contacted me back with conditions to shoot:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Its that last one that I am not sure about. Is this how more experienced models operate? Have you come across this before and did you go ahead and shoot?

Hell no. Once you pay their rate the images should be yours to do with as you please. What if she doesn't like any of them? You're screwed. Find someone with no demands and no drama. There are plenty of great models out there!

Jan 11 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,699
Washington, District of Columbia, US


No no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!
Jan 11 13 11:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ForeverFotos
Posts: 6,620
Indianapolis, Indiana, US


Rachel Reilly wrote:
No no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!

I would only add another line of "no no no no no no no no, hell no"

Jan 11 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KA Style
Posts: 1,549
Syracuse, New York, US


ForeverFotos wrote:
I would only add another line of "no no no no no no no no, hell no"

Me too!


She sound like an amateur. Find another model.

Jan 11 13 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


If you pay all rights are yours and unless you agree she has no say about how they are edited or used .
Jan 11 13 11:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,496
Portland, Oregon, US


Amani Images wrote:
I got in touch with this model that has a great look and fits right into the concept I have. She is experienced and I know other togs that have worked with her.
She contacted me back with conditions to shoot:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Its that last one that I am not sure about. Is this how more experienced models operate? Have you come across this before and did you go ahead and shoot?

If she's getting paid, that generally precludes any rights to approve the images after the shoot.

The primary exception to that statement would be if the content of the images exceeds the guidelines/boundaries expressed in the shoot, or usage beyond what is agreed, but all those things should be clearly defined in the signed model release.

Small resolution versions of the photos, that does not bother me so much.  "Veto" rights to images that fall within the scope of what is agreed (clothed, implied, lingerie, topless, nude, whatever).

Jan 11 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,759
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Amani Images wrote:
I got in touch with this model that has a great look and fits right into the concept I have. She is experienced and I know other togs that have worked with her.
She contacted me back with conditions to shoot:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Its that last one that I am not sure about. Is this how more experienced models operate? Have you come across this before and did you go ahead and shoot?

This is not how experienced models operate!

Jan 11 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leon Bailey
Posts: 523
Orlando, Florida, US


Ah models with thinking they know the business. No way you don't agree like everyone has stated.
Jan 11 13 11:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Amani Images
Posts: 65
Charlotte, North Carolina, US


Thanks! Looks like I just dodged a bullet.
Jan 11 13 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,363
San Ramon, California, US


Walk away. I mean, don't even barter or negotiate.

In Charlotte you'll be hard pressed NOT to find awesome TF models with little or no drama about final images.

big_smile
Jan 11 13 11:58 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,234
San Diego, California, US


Fuck no.
Jan 11 13 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Untitled Photographer
Posts: 1,179
Dallas, Texas, US


Amani Images wrote:
Thanks! Looks like I just dodged a bullet.

Gun control is not all that bad after all.

Jan 11 13 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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ELiffmann
Posts: 1,393
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


not unless she was really really really ridiculously good-looking.
Jan 11 13 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,209
Atlanta, Georgia, US


J  Welborn wrote:
If you pay all rights are yours and unless you agree she has no say about how they are edited or used .

Pay or not all rights are the photographers.

As for the original question, hell no.  Sorry but there are far too many models available, just click next and make you images.

Jan 11 13 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 3,903
New York, New York, US


I would say yes.

If it's a Victoria's Secret model, for instance, and she decided to work with you and wanted to see the final results before you have your way with them then I would say yes to her.

It really is what you both agree to do.
Jan 11 13 12:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


Amani Images wrote:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Even if she was paying you $100 for 3 hours, I wouldn't agree to the other two.

Tell her to take a hike.

Jan 11 13 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


NO.
Jan 11 13 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photosbydmp
Posts: 3,808
Shepparton-Mooroopna, Victoria, Australia


NO.
Jan 11 13 12:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kaouthia
Posts: 3,152
Lancaster, England, United Kingdom


AND NO. wink
Jan 11 13 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Sounds like you've already got your answer but let me add another HELL NO.

And yes, the rights are always yours anyway. We try to be nice and not post pics a model hates of herself as a courtesy.

But she sounds like a serious pain in the ass. You're in Charlotte, man! Beautiful girls everywhere.
Jan 11 13 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Emily Smiles
Posts: 272
Columbia, South Carolina, US


Heck no!

I'm in Columbia, SC, just a 2 hour drive at most. I would shoot with you!

Seriously.
Contact me.
Jan 11 13 12:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 9,075
Brooklyn, New York, US


http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/Spikeblofeld991/AdmiralAckbarItsATrap.jpg
Jan 11 13 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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sgnr photo
Posts: 254
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote:
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww14/Spikeblofeld991/AdmiralAckbarItsATrap.jpg

+1

Jan 11 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ed W Photography nudes
Posts: 10
Savannah, Georgia, US


1. Maybe!

2. No!

3. No!
Jan 11 13 12:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,409
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


If it is a Victoria Secret, top model caliber or someone famous that can really help your career then sure. Otherwise probably not.
Jan 11 13 12:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BobBarford Photo
Posts: 85
York, Pennsylvania, US


BlueMoonPics wrote:
I would say yes.

If it's a Victoria's Secret model, for instance, and she decided to work with you and wanted to see the final results before you have your way with them then I would say yes to her.

It really is what you both agree to do.

Generally no, unless you are negotiating with a celebrity model who may have concerns of being portrayed in an unfavorable manner. Even then, she should have reviewed your portfolio of similar concept images before any discussion proceeded and not placed a that limitation upon you as long as you remain within the agreed confines of the concept.

Jan 11 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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BlueMoonPics
Posts: 3,903
New York, New York, US


Dan K Photography wrote:
If it is a Victoria Secret, top model caliber or someone famous that can really help your career then sure. Otherwise probably not.

+1 1/2
That's what I wrote up above too!

I wouldn't pass up the opportunity of working with someone of that status for such a simple request.  So I guess only you and I will be working with Victoria's Secret gals. borat

Jan 11 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,409
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


rbtcphoto wrote:

Generally no, unless you are negotiating with a celebrity model who may have concerns of being portrayed in an unfavorable manner. Even then, she should have reviewed your portfolio of similar concept images before any discussion proceeded and not placed a that limitation upon you.

I doubt there is many (probably none) major celebrities that will not have limitations placed on a photographer. Even the top famous ones.

Jan 11 13 12:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J Welborn
Posts: 2,552
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


AJScalzitti wrote:

Pay or not all rights are the photographers.

As for the original question, hell no.  Sorry but there are far too many models available, just click next and make you images.

Yes I agree

Jan 11 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,697
State College, Pennsylvania, US


She's an experienced hustler, not an experienced model.

You're paying her AND she expects EVERY photo? And she's gets to say which ones are acceptable?

You say she has worked with other shooters. Did you talk to them, or are you taking HER word for everything?

The only way I would work with those parameters is if I was shooting with Gwyneth Paltrow, and then only if she was naked.

This way, if she didn't like any of the pics; well, at least I got to see her naked... smile

Your thoughts should be "Next." There may be a reason why she operates the way she does, and I'm pretty sure the reason ain't gonna be a good one....
Jan 11 13 12:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,409
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


BlueMoonPics wrote:

+1 1/2
That's what I wrote up above too!

I wouldn't pass up the opportunity of working with someone of that status for such a simple request.  So I guess only you and I will be working with Victoria's Secret gals. borat

hot damn!! Now we just need to do something about Russell James and we are in like flynn.

Jan 11 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bob Helm Photography
Posts: 18,093
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


No , the Golden Rule applies. The one with the Gold makes the rules and if you are paying that would be you.
Jan 11 13 12:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Amani Images wrote:
I got in touch with this model that has a great look and fits right into the concept I have. She is experienced and I know other togs that have worked with her.
She contacted me back with conditions to shoot:
- $100 for 3 hours
- she gets small res versions of ALL photos
- she gets to approve every edited image before I post it anywhere online

Its that last one that I am not sure about. Is this how more experienced models operate? Have you come across this before and did you go ahead and shoot?

First, I would have her define "small res". If I don't like a shot, it doesn't see the light of the Internet in any way shape or form. If we negotiated on that point, she would sign a document stating that she is not to use the small res images in any way, shape or form (and that would include Facebook, etc.) Strictly for preview purposes, only.

As for her approval, she can go pound sand on that one. If that's what she wants, then she needs to be paying YOU.

Jan 11 13 12:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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William Kious
Posts: 8,837
Delphos, Ohio, US


Dan K Photography wrote:
If it is a Victoria Secret, top model caliber or someone famous that can really help your career then sure. Otherwise probably not.

Someone "in the know", like a Victoria's Secret model, wouldn't work that kind of rate. Even if she did, she wouldn't make bullshit demands about small resolution images and approval.

Seeking an "ok" about final edits is one thing. I do that as a courtesy to make sure a model doesn't hate a final edit. But that's just a courtesy.

Jan 11 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Ginger Rothestein
Posts: 191
Wilmington, North Carolina, US


I'd do it for $100+ travel, and would appreciate any edits from the shoot, but wouldn't demand....I'm sure you'll find plenty of models in your area who would accept those conditions, heck maybe even for less!!!
Jan 11 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,699
Washington, District of Columbia, US


ForeverFotos wrote:

I would only add another line of "no no no no no no no no, hell no"

True!

Jan 11 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Dan K Photography
Posts: 5,409
STATEN ISLAND, New York, US


William Kious wrote:

Someone "in the know", like a Victoria's Secret model, wouldn't work that kind of rate. Even if she did, she wouldn't make bullshit demands about small resolution images and approval.

Seeking an "ok" about final edits is one thing. I do that as a courtesy to make sure a model doesn't hate a final edit. But that's just a courtesy.

I did say caliber. I am pretty sure if a real VS model would work with either of us she will make what I would consider perfectly reasonable demands. I do not think either of those demands as that outrageous.

Jan 11 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Ron Casas Photography
Posts: 813
Lexington, South Carolina, US


Robert Helm wrote:
No , the Golden Rule applies. The one with the Gold makes the rules and if you are paying that would be you.

This sound about right...

Jan 11 13 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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DG at studio47
Posts: 2,362
East Ridge, Tennessee, US


next.............
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