Mind if I put another No to your list?

You are PAYING her and she WANTS things her way? There are professional, beautiful models here on MM, hire one that knows how things work.

I give my models low res version of all photos...it's called a proof CD and they are PLASTERED with the word "proof".  They know not to post or print these.

For a TF shoot, I'd have no problem with demand number 3...so far, I'm ALWAYS more critical of the images than my models and if there's one they don't like...I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it either.  But for a paid shoot...she'd just have to pound sand.

No, probably not.  I note that folks here tend not to articulate "why" they say no.  I'll try:

1)  In most normal transactions, the contract is completed as soon as services and/or compensation has been exchanged.  This "agreement" (in particular, the third clause) extends the contract & the relationship indefinitely.

2)  Although simple sounding at first thought, this troublesome clause is difficult to define fully.  For example...
...  How long does the model have "approval rights"; do these rights expire after
     some amount of time, and if so, how long?
...  What constitutes an appropriate criteria for the model to deny approval?
...  What happens if the model moves and doesn't give the photographer her
     new contact information?
...  What happens if the photographer asks for approval and doesn't hear back?
...  Can the model retroactively disapprove an image once it's been posted?
...  If the model dies, do her heirs inherit her approval rights?
...  How are disputes resolved?
...  Can the model assign her approval rights to a third party?
...  What is the penalty if the photographer posts/sells an image without approval?
I could go on, but you get the idea.  This is not as simple as it would appear.

3)  In my experience, lots of people think they can write legally binding contracts, but very few can.  I would never sign a contract / agreement not reviewed by a lawyer.  Thus, any such agreement would be costly for me to sign.

So, like I said, probably not.

+1000 absolutely!

This is on the low side so I'm assuming that she wants a mix of money and pics for payment.  Nothing wrong with that.

But ... I would not give her all images and I would not give her the ability to approve each image.  This is not normal.  Find another model to work with.

Are you hiring the model, or is she hiring you?

I appreciate artistic input as much as the next guy, but if your contract contradicts your release form, then why bother paying her? As a matter of fact, why shoot at all?

I am not discounting the model's ability to edit ("edit as in selecting images from a set),  but what you describe is a recipé for disaster! (or at least a lot of wasted time).

Although I agree with a lot of what you say, I do so only because the questions would need to be addressed before any agreement/contract is signed.

Hopefully all of the issues are defined in the contract.

Regarding signing anything? Other than a check, I don't see why the photographer should be signing anything for the model, unless the photographer is being hired for his/her services to the model, in which case you are a "work for hire" and should be compensated handsomely for your skilled services.

Peat Moss and Giselle "Smith."

I would venrture to say that those words would never come out of the mouths of professional models like Moss or Gisele.....

Everything in this life is a negotiation.

If the model is worth, say - $75/hour - then $100/3 hours, plus her 2 conditions is likely a bargain.

If the model is only worth $30/hour, then it's probably not a good deal for you.

Remember, nothing is set in stone.  I'd shoot Gisele Bündchen for that deal, but there are many models I wouldn't shoot under those conditions.  Ask yourself if the overall transaction would be worth it to you.  Don't just get hung up on "...but if I take the photos, they're MINE..."  What's the old saying "Cutting off your nose to spite your face"?

As a model, I disagree with requesting payment AND all the images. I'm happy with 6+ edits, and I'm happy to give my opinion on what should be edited but I think YOU should be the final decision maker.

This is after-all, a collaboration and I am being compensated in cash form.

Just my thoughts, but everyone is different.

It seems like this is something solved through communication and negotiation. One can ask for all sorts but where are you two comfortably willing to settle? If you are not comfortable with the final offer walk.

Someone already spoke about "moral" rights to a photo. You should research that a little though I doubt that is what she is thinking about.

I have been involved in processes where several people have had the right to kill any image. The more money involved, the more hassles. Controlling one's image is valid consideration. Though I think in this case another poster got it right, she should be paying you.

Your art, your concept, your copyright. You pay her asking rates for modeling for your creation... She is not the boss of you!

It seams she is trying to take control of YOUR project, and get paid for it... F that!

Post your work as you please.

If she doesn't understand this, then she has a lot to learn about artists rights and is not worth the headache.

There are plenty of shoots I give photo approval on. I've done it for models who wanted to remain anonymous, or with a physical feature they wanted to hide.

Even when I'm not giving photo approval, they usually see every shot I might consider.

I've asked models to double check galleries too.

It's not a big deal.

Her conditions are total BS.  Most models that do paid shoots don't expect any images at all.  The last condition of approving images before you post them is completely ridiculous.  If she doesn't like any of your work you won't be able to use it for anything and you will have paid her for nothing.  Find yourself another model right away.

I only have an issue with the third item.

I give models the opportunity to select images, but I reserve the right to reject any of their selections in case if flaws and make additional selections of my own.

Hell no they don't, experienced models know that won't fly.

Your shoot. Your concept. Your money. Means your rules...

GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:

LMAO!





I would do whatever for Eva Mendes though.