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cinema photography
Posts: 4,365
Mission Viejo, California, US


The F.B.I is where you wanna send this. Yes indeedy. They will sort out the rest, but this screams one of two things and both are pretty sad
Jan 12 13 04:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PBE Photography
Posts: 32
Atlanta, Georgia, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
I would maybe clarify what his daughter would help with, and if it still sounds off, report it.

+1000

Jan 12 13 04:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


Has the feel of a law enforcement sting.  If you don't believe there are undercover cops on MM posing as models and photoraphers, you're naive as hell.
Jan 12 13 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amelia Simone
Posts: 2,113
Los Angeles, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

They can at least track his IP Address, which is just as good as a home address unless he's using a Proxy switcher or something (doubtful).

This guy doesn't sound like he's exactly trying to be discreet. Ask him his phone number or address and full name and I'm sure he'll give it to you. Or maybe you should just refer it to an agency and not immerse yourself in that type of creep-dom.

Ok thank you. I'm emailing him to find out more so there is something solid to go off of

Jan 12 13 04:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,628
Los Angeles, California, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

OK, thanks for clarifying and I didn't mean to jump on you and shouldn't have assumed you did nothing.

This thread has become really troubling. I can't imagine the FBI couldn't easily track the guy's IP Address or investigate further.

I will say that explanation is riddled with holes. Are they saying they need proof before they will even look into it further even though they have in writing a guy making claims like that?

Even if they turned out to be bogus claims...that needs to be addressed. I think the FBI or Child Services would be able to investigate it more effectively.

Hey, I get it. This isnt an easy subject and I did leave it open to assume I did nothing about his emails.

I agree some action should be taken. Elaborate hoax or worse, its worth being looked into. I can't tell you why they refused to look into it, but if Amelia can get some contact info from him perhaps someone will start to look.

Jan 12 13 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,619
Chicago, Illinois, US


Amelia Simone wrote:

Thank you for this.
Is there a way to track the guy through email?

Yes, it is possible.  When you contact the FBI, they will probably ask you to forward the emails in their entirety to them.

Jan 12 13 04:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Amelia Simone
Posts: 2,113
Los Angeles, California, US


Lumatic wrote:

Yes, it is possible.  When you contact the FBI, they will probably ask you to forward the emails in their entirety to them.

Ok, thank you

Jan 12 13 04:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
cinema photography
Posts: 4,365
Mission Viejo, California, US


Lumatic wrote:

Yes, it is possible.  When you contact the FBI, they will probably ask you to forward the emails in their entirety to them.

That they will, and they may even ask to take over your online interaction with this person. So be careful NOT to close the loop on that, could be helpful to them if it is a real thing. Because a minor may be involed a specialized section of the FBI will be who deals with it. The have a focus on crimes against children etc.


Source: Friend is an Agent.

Jan 12 13 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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MB JenB
Posts: 2,883
Clarksville, Tennessee, US


Amelia Simone wrote:
Got this message through my website and am not sure what to make of it..

"I shoot lingerie, topless, body paint, nude, erotic, and POV. I shoot stills and video. I do pay cash based on content at the end of each days shoot. I have been shooting for 14 years and as a widowed Dad I do have my daughter at shoots as my assistant ( When allowable ) for over a year. She is 12 and has started modeling also. You can, if you want to, incorporate her in some sets, or help her to model solo sets, I am sure she would be happy to have a good mentor. Let me know if you are interested and when you may be available to shoot. I have messenger also with this email address. Thank you ,"So and So"

Uh, I don't want to believe that a little 12 yr old girl is doing the stuff he's talking about, and his daughter nonetheless.

Sounds like whoever answers that advertisement or shows up, is going to be under investigation. Ever see the show were they bait wrongminded folks into thinking they are meeting up with a minor and there are cops and agencies involved to prosecute on the other end?
At least, I hope that is what this really is.

rp_photo wrote:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/24/la_et_chris_hansen_st.jpg

exactly what my first thought was.
Jen

Jan 12 13 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Odin Photo
Posts: 1,458
Salt Lake City, Utah, US


I hope to god that he transposed the numbers and his daughter is 21 instead of 12. Even then it still feels creepy. This is still definitely worth reporting (in case she is 12) and yes, it is a piece of cake to find the physical origin of an email unless particular cautions have been taken against it.
Jan 12 13 04:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,403
Muncie, Indiana, US


This man has tried the same thing with someone else on Fetlife. Exactly. Please alert the authorities. I would not want to risk trying something myself and screwing up the investigation.
Jan 12 13 05:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,083
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


cinema photography wrote:
The F.B.I is where you wanna send this. Yes indeedy. They will sort out the rest, but this screams one of two things and both are pretty sad

+1

If the police wanted to pursue it, they could let you take a cop with you as an MUA (hopefully the SDPD has a female cop who is good with makeup) or a second model - or at least ask you to meet the guy to talk over coffee so they can find out who he is.

On the other hand, you might also be putting yourself at risk...

Jan 12 13 05:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick Dupuis Photography
Posts: 6,822
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada


I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.... except when it comes to little kids. Then they lose the benefit of the doubt and I side with the kid. I am certainly concerned with him having her at the shoots but I am more interested in what he does when not shooting. I'd be really tempted to report this. I'd suggest the police should set up a shoot with this guy and his daughter.
Jan 12 13 05:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,123
Olney, Maryland, US


This reminds me of a situation a few years ago in Florida.  Very nasty, including a fugitive chase through several states.  And some MM members received death threats.
Jan 12 13 05:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KMP
Posts: 4,706
Houston, Texas, US


George Ruge wrote:
In all seriousness, if I received such an email, I would print it out and take it to the police. If his 12yo daughter is even in the building where he's shooting POV... It's something for them to look into.

This would be my response too..  I'd rather make a mistake than ignore a situation to find he'd been abusing his daughter.....and I'd done nothing..

Jan 12 13 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,804
Olivet, Michigan, US


Amelia Simone wrote:
Got this message through my website and am not sure what to make of it..

"I shoot lingerie, topless, body paint, nude, erotic, and POV. I shoot stills and video. I do pay cash based on content at the end of each days shoot. I have been shooting for 14 years and as a widowed Dad I do have my daughter at shoots as my assistant ( When allowable ) for over a year. She is 12 and has started modeling also. You can, if you want to, incorporate her in some sets, or help her to model solo sets, I am sure she would be happy to have a good mentor. Let me know if you are interested and when you may be available to shoot. I have messenger also with this email address. Thank you ,"So and So"

Uh, I don't want to believe that a little 12 yr old girl is doing the stuff he's talking about, and his daughter nonetheless.

Thought it was a bit creepy before I saw her age.  Then it's MAJOR creepy, and probably illegal.  Art nudes could bring drama, but might ultimately be OK (for her to be present) but POV?????

Jan 12 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,804
Olivet, Michigan, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
OK, how do you get a message like that and not print the document and share that with authorities? That's not someone you block. That's someone you report. Shame on you.
Jordan Bunniie wrote:
I talked to a friend of mine who works at the police station, they said with just an email from a fake FB account there was nothing they could do. I didnt have an outside email, proof of a real name, no phone number, no proof there even is a 12 year old daughter. Nada. There's not much I could have done.

Maybe, WITH FBI (or, for some reason, homeland security) involvement, talk through plans with him.  At some point, he'd have to give an address.

Jan 12 13 07:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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GER Photography
Posts: 7,666
Imperial, California, US


The NSA routs all Internet and phone communication through their system, all the FBI has to do is ask (with a warrant, of course) if you say Osama or Obama in an email or phone call it gets copied and flagged, even this one!!:-))))
Jan 12 13 08:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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allison mindy
Posts: 1,495
New York, New York, US


You have got to be shitting me sad I agree with everyone. Please contact the authorities asap.
Jan 12 13 09:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,520
Salinas, California, US


Amelia Simone wrote:
Got this message through my website and am not sure what to make of it..

"I shoot lingerie, topless, body paint, nude, erotic, and POV. I shoot stills and video. I do pay cash based on content at the end of each days shoot. I have been shooting for 14 years and as a widowed Dad I do have my daughter at shoots as my assistant ( When allowable ) for over a year. She is 12 and has started modeling also. You can, if you want to, incorporate her in some sets, or help her to model solo sets, I am sure she would be happy to have a good mentor. Let me know if you are interested and when you may be available to shoot. I have messenger also with this email address. Thank you ,"So and So"

Uh, I don't want to believe that a little 12 yr old girl is doing the stuff he's talking about, and his daughter nonetheless.

reading this gave me the chills up my spine!  yikes   I hope that there is some misunderstanding ...

The good part is that he wrote "when allowable" ... so what exactly his intentions are is in question.  While working for a photo lab as a manager, some images of a girl perhaps around 4 or 5 years old ... if that ... was standing by the bedside of her mom who was naked.  The girl was not nude, she had clothing on.  The man who supposedly shot the images had also shot some sexually explicit images that were also on the roll.  From the bewildered look on the little girls face, I couldn't help but wonder what she witnessed and why she would be in some of these images on the roll.

We contacted the police.  They showed up quickly and hid in the back after looking at the images themselves.  When he came in to pick up the roll, they came out and asked him to come talk with them in private about the roll of film.  There was nothing illegal about the images.  He had not broken any laws.  However, they just wanted to let him know that they were aware of those images and would keep an eye on him ... so to speak.  The owner of the store was upset that I did contact police before bringing him up to date, and then told me that the proper thing to do is to make copies of the images, write the information down and then contact CPS with it.  No contact would be made right away, as they would rather come in for a surprise visit to check in on the child. 

SO ... back to your original post;  Since you do not know for sure what this man is communicating about as to his daughter.  I would say that it might actually be a good idea to keep this to yourself while investigating through perhaps actually meeting the guy.  You may want to contact Child Protective Services later if you see other indications that he is including his daughter in inappropriate photo shoots or worse.  I could be wrong in my opinion about this, but I've heard that CPS can do a whole lot more than the police can in regards to such investigations.

Jan 12 13 10:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,520
Salinas, California, US


Amelia Simone wrote:

Ok thank you. I'm emailing him to find out more so there is something solid to go off of

Good idea!  If this is a case of very poor judgement on the part of a parent, then CPS is the one to handle this case.  IF you find that he is doing more than having his daughter "assist" and/or other children are involved, then it is something for the FBI.   You might be getting a daughter removed from her home, or a porn ring busted?  Then again, it could all be some sort of misunderstanding?  I don't like to see anyone jump to conclusions without solid evidence.  Then you might want to stop the conversation on this thread in case he is reading it?  Good luck on this!  You are a good person to care!

Jan 12 13 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,666
Imperial, California, US


SO ... back to your original post;  Since you do not know for sure what this man is communicating about as to his daughter.  I would say that it might actually be a good idea to keep this to yourself while investigating through perhaps actually meeting the guy.  You may want to contact Child Protective Services later if you see other indications that he is including his daughter in inappropriate photo shoots or worse.  I could be wrong in my opinion about this, but I've heard that CPS can do a whole lot more than the police can in regards to such investigations.

I would not meet with this person for any reason! Try to get more info
through email, maybe, contact the authorities, definitely. Let the police contact CPS.

Oops!! I deleted the quote info!

Jan 12 13 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cynna Stylz MUA
Posts: 216
New York, New York, US


This guy is a fool. And he is hoping that anyone that responds is a bigger fool. He is attempting to disarm the reader by stating he is widowed and has a young child or children. He's attempting to make a safe environment in his studio or home by stating his equally female young assistant child  would be there, therefore  you won't need to bring anyone.   

So... is he looking for a model to do soft porn for a shoot?
Is he looking for a child entertainment? Is he looking for a baby-mama?

A child working in the family business - NO PROBLEM
A child working in the family business where they are subjected to porn - PROBLEM

Either he is lying or he is telling the truth - sick either way. He needs to be reported.
Jan 12 13 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Am I the only person who bets the "daughter" is fantasy of his imagination and doesn't exist?
Jan 13 13 04:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SensualThemes
Posts: 3,042
Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, US


Blue Cube Imaging wrote:
um, yuck.

In the bad old days when Iwas running a phone sex co, Ionce had a guy 'offer us' his 13 yr old neice.  I immediately contacted the fbi....not sure  if it was a sting or a creep, but either way I wanted him to stop it.

If it was a perv, Hope they got him

Jan 13 13 05:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David J Martin
Posts: 456
Amberg, Bavaria, Germany


Amelia Simone wrote:
"I have been shooting for 14 years and as a widowed Dad I do have my daughter at shoots as my assistant ( When allowable ) for over a year. She is 12 and has started modeling also. You can, if you want to, incorporate her in some sets, or help her to model solo sets, I am sure she would be happy to have a good mentor. Thank you ,"So and So"

I think it could be one of two things as he says she assists her Dad WHEN ALLOWABLE and models.   

Either A,  It makes me think he's implying that he'd want her there assisting or modeling when appropriate, non-nudity. 
- Or - 
Either B as in Bad,  He's a guy exposing his daughter to adult content or trying to use his daughter, if he has one, as an angle to get models.

Keep in mind I allow my 7 y/o daughter to assist me at times as it's a father/daughter time spent together.  I would not allow my daughter to be present for adult content and not if she'd be a distraction to the shoot, i.e. paying client.  It would send red flags to me also though if I got the two items of info in the same paragraph.

Jan 13 13 05:39 am  Link  Quote 
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O Team Photography
Posts: 40
Duncan, British Columbia, Canada


I think you have gone a bit over the top here.  We are social nudists and have been for over 40 years.  We have done a lot of shoots of kids from newborn on to adult, usually at the request of the parents. The photos are for their personal use and are not published except possibly in nudist publications. Before going off the deep end, find out more about what is going on or (better) drop the whole matter.
Jan 13 13 06:43 am  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
Posts: 21,625
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
One who is into POV erotica while his little girl is in the next room (or worse).

While he's shooting the POV the 12 y/o shoots the B roll, 'ya think?

Studio36

Jan 13 13 07:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Anthony J Deffina
Posts: 80
Shingle Springs, California, US


O Team Photography wrote:
I think you have gone a bit over the top here.  We are social nudists and have been for over 40 years.  We have done a lot of shoots of kids from newborn on to adult, usually at the request of the parents. The photos are for their personal use and are not published except possibly in nudist publications. Before going off the deep end, find out more about what is going on or (better) drop the whole matter.

I think you need to pay more attention to what his email said and what Jordans experience with the guy was. If you're not getting that this guy is not just some nudist, then you need to take a better look at yourself.

OP: Considering the fact that this guy seems to be all over the web with this same offer, it could well be that it's a sting operation. However, it could also be that he's trying to get caught and stopped. Either way a report to the FBI would be my suggestion.

Jan 13 13 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


We live in a paranoid society.

http://temporaryinsanitybykym.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/paranoid.jpg

That does not mesh will with anyone who fits outside our own bubble.
Jan 13 13 07:09 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


Anthony J Deffina wrote:

I think you need to pay more attention to what his email said and what Jordans experience with the guy was. If you're not getting that this guy is not just some nudist, then you need to take a better look at yourself.

OP: Considering the fact that this guy seems to be all over the web with this same offer, it could well be that it's a sting operation. However, it could also be that he's trying to get caught and stopped. Either way a report to the FBI would be my suggestion.

I agree, the "offer" is weird.

I really don't think a true creepo like so would be offering the same/similar offers to dozens of unknown people, since that would really get him in trouble with the wrong person. I figure if it's not an undercover thing, it's a fantasy.  If he got some model to agree to the idea and talk to him about it, he'd fap himself silly and move on.

Jan 13 13 07:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 36,112
Boston, Massachusetts, US


George Ruge wrote:
In all seriousness, if I received such an email, I would print it out and take it to the police. If his 12yo daughter is even in the building where he's shooting POV... It's something for them to look into.

^^^

This, yeah.

I tend to be skeptical of people who go around screaming, "pedo!" all the time, and it's true that the guy might have meant that the girl only assists on non-sexual shoots, but... it sure doesn't come across that way.

Jan 13 13 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sammyspade
Posts: 98
Portland, Oregon, US


Just an idea, let the police know your willing to play along and try to figure out who he is (address, phone, etc). If the cops are on board see if he'll send you some concepts.

But only if the cops are on board from the start.
Jan 13 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
MainePaintah
Posts: 1,701
Saco, Maine, US


I WOULD NOT WRITE him back and possibly scare him off.

As others have said, call the FBI and your local police and let them handle it!
Jan 13 13 08:02 am  Link  Quote 
Model
- Aina -
Posts: 734
Redlands, California, US


What he shoots doesn't equate with the age of he daughter, and that doesn't leave butterflies or happy feelings in my stomach... There's no need to repeat what every other poster has said.
Jan 13 13 08:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,419
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Jouissance Images wrote:
Has the feel of a law enforcement sting.  If you don't believe there are undercover cops on MM posing as models and photoraphers, you're naive as hell.

Bingo.

Was going to say, but for once decided to see if anyone else did.

Jan 13 13 03:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick Dupuis Photography
Posts: 6,822
Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada


Patrick Walberg wrote:
SO ... back to your original post;  Since you do not know for sure what this man is communicating about as to his daughter.  I would say that it might actually be a good idea to keep this to yourself while investigating through perhaps actually meeting the guy.  You may want to contact Child Protective Services later if you see other indications that he is including his daughter in inappropriate photo shoots or worse.  I could be wrong in my opinion about this, but I've heard that CPS can do a whole lot more than the police can in regards to such investigations.

I wouldn't meet with him unless the police were involved. It would be pretty bad timing on your part if the police were already looking at him and chose your meeting to have a chat with him. I wouldn't meet him without the police knowing.

Jan 13 13 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan L Duncan
Posts: 207
Jacksonville, Florida, US


K I C K H A M wrote:
With further information given in this thread, please, please print this out and report this guy.

Sometimes they can't do much with one report, but who knows, maybe you'll be the second or third to come forward and they'll be able to find him and do something.

This. The information you give might be just enough to put him away and get his daughter out of harm's way.

Jan 13 13 11:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Renato Alberto
Posts: 839
San Francisco, California, US


Amelia Simone wrote:
Got this message through my website and am not sure what to make of it..

"I shoot lingerie, topless, body paint, nude, erotic, and POV. I shoot stills and video. I do pay cash based on content at the end of each days shoot. I have been shooting for 14 years and as a widowed Dad I do have my daughter at shoots as my assistant ( When allowable ) for over a year. She is 12 and has started modeling also. You can, if you want to, incorporate her in some sets, or help her to model solo sets, I am sure she would be happy to have a good mentor. Let me know if you are interested and when you may be available to shoot. I have messenger also with this email address. Thank you ,"So and So"

Uh, I don't want to believe that a little 12 yr old girl is doing the stuff he's talking about, and his daughter nonetheless.

This is sick... You need to report this for the sake of the child.....

Jan 13 13 11:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,520
Salinas, California, US


Rick Dupuis Photography wrote:
I wouldn't meet with him unless the police were involved. It would be pretty bad timing on your part if the police were already looking at him and chose your meeting to have a chat with him. I wouldn't meet him without the police knowing.

Do I have to repeat my actual experience to you with a similar situation?  Child Protective Services can check in on the daughter.  The police will do nothing because absolutely no law has been broken!  The police and FBI will tell you that!  This might be a set up for a sting operation as some have said.   CPS can interview the daughter when there is potential inappropriate activity going on in the household.  If they perceive that the daughter is in danger, they will remove her.

Having CPS called on you strikes terror in the heart of any parent! The police are so busy with other more obvious crimes, they might not even do a welfare check.   If this is all a misunderstanding, CPS will get to the bottom of it!

Jan 14 13 12:06 am  Link  Quote 
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