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Daniel Arouchian
Posts: 185
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


I did a shoot for a business for their school they run.. A few days ago, the owner contacts me to let me know that the pictures I took might be used for advertisement and flyers as well. The problem he never mentioned this before when I quoted a price for the original shoot.

Since Canada changed the law regarding copyrights, I owe the pictures..I know it's not a copyright issue,but can I charge him if he uses my pictures for flyers and advertisement?


Thank you in advance
Jan 13 13 06:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Halcyon 7174 NYC
Posts: 20,109
New York, New York, US


Did you have a contract with licensing terms spelled out?
Jan 13 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vector 38
Posts: 8,296
Austin, Texas, US


do you have a pretty good understanding of usage rights? and how to bill them?
Jan 13 13 07:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Joe Branske
Posts: 411
Chicago, Illinois, US


How did you think the photos were going to be used?
Jan 19 13 10:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Vincent Arthur
Posts: 899
Red Bank, New Jersey, US


Why did the owner call you? 

Perhaps he/she wants to know how much more to pay you. 

Perhaps he/she thinks you will be excited to have a tear sheet.

How much more do you want to be paid for the use of the photos on the flyers?

Perhaps you could just as for it.
Jan 20 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,968
Portland, Oregon, US


Daniel Arouchian wrote:
I did a shoot for a business for their school they run.. A few days ago, the owner contacts me to let me know that the pictures I took might be used for advertisement and flyers as well. The problem he never mentioned this before when I quoted a price for the original shoot.

Since Canada changed the law regarding copyrights, I owe the pictures..I know it's not a copyright issue,but can I charge him if he uses my pictures for flyers and advertisement?

Thank you in advance

So many thoughts.  Here's some in random order:

...  Did you mean, "I own the pictures"?

...  What did you think they were going to do with the pictures you were paid to
     make?

...  If you were vague during the agreement negotiations, I'd say that any
     misunderstandings that arise after the fact are (at least) 60% yours.  You are
     the photographer, and since you were being paid, you were the professional:
     you should take the lead in documenting your terms.

...  Sure, you can try to charge them more.  They won't like it.  They will tell all
     their friends about you tried to screw them with a "bait & switch" scheme.  You
     will never work for them again.  You will never work with their friends, clients,
     and/or acquaintances ever again.  But you might get a few extra bucks.

...  Next time, get your agreement in writing, and cover the details of their usage
     rights in appropriate detail.

Jan 20 13 05:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Toulon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


What were the original images for?

Was it a lot of money, or just a little money?





Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com
Jan 20 13 06:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Supermodel Photographer
Posts: 3,309
Oyster Bay, New York, US


Daniel Arouchian wrote:
Since Canada changed the law regarding copyrights, I owe the pictures.

I'm glad that I'm not in Canada.

Feb 02 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
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JOEL McDONALD
Posts: 608
Portland, Oregon, US


Supermodel Photographer wrote:

I'm glad that I'm not in Canada.

smile

Feb 02 13 07:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Images by MR
Posts: 7,523
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Supermodel Photographer wrote:

I'm glad that I'm not in Canada.

I am too...

Feb 09 13 10:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,353
Tempe, Arizona, US


Images by MR wrote:

I am too...

:-)

Feb 09 13 10:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,406
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Images by MR wrote:

I am too...

you mean Eastern Canada don't you?
Last I heard BC was still part of Canada, but if Harper gets in again, I will join the Secessionist Party.

Feb 09 13 11:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Like everyone else says:

What did you think they were going to be used for?
Were you compensated adequately according to your original agreement?
What usage rights did you assign when the client took delivery of the images?

I always make sure I know exactly what the client wants the images for and write those into the Usage Agreement, assigning limited usage according to those terms and for a period appropriate to that.
Say it's an ad campaign - you assign rights for that campaign only and for the duration the client expects the campaign to run. After that all rights revert back to you and if the client wants to use them again, they have to renegotiate.

Or, if the campaign is open-ended - assign perpetual usage rights and charge more.
Feb 10 13 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
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RedArcStudios
Posts: 36
Nassau, New Providence, Bahamas


Did you mean that the laws in Canada changed after your shoot and agreement were signed?

If you didn't finalize usage earlier before signing it leaves quite a big door open.  You have also released the images which makes it even worse. 

Maybe try to negotiate doing additional work for the school in lew of usage payments on this first shoot. Tighten up your contract with other shoots and keep the customer happy as well as possibly get some referrals.
Feb 10 13 04:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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