twoharts wrote: she's not a new model (just a returning one)
Whether she is new or not in your opinion, historically, most models that insist on escorts are relatively new.
twoharts wrote: and said she was almost raped on a shoot in the past. i've been told about a rape on a shoot. it happens.
I'm sure it does. Rapes happen in many different situations.
In many of those situations, sensible safety precautions could have prevented them...and I could link you to hundreds of posts by models that actually brought escorts, and STILL had to endure the same behavior from the photographer that she was trying to avoid, from inappropriate comments to actual touching/groping.
twoharts wrote: if i were a model i'd have a glock shoved up my hooha!
i've read those threads, too. i just shake my head at the ones where "the photographer started groping me but my boyfriend wanted to keep going" what the heck?
and the big question is whether having an escort actually prevents problems or possibly creates more. we all have our own opinion on that one.
and i would tend to agree that the more experienced the model the less likely it is they will bring an escort.
Image K wrote: and I could link you to hundreds of posts by models that actually brought escorts, and STILL had to endure the same behavior from the photographer that she was trying to avoid, from inappropriate comments to actual touching/groping.
Sounds a little impractical...and uncomfortable.
E360 wrote: I guess I am a little surprised at some of the comments here. I just always assume that it is the models choice to bring an escort if they choose. If it makes them more comfortable, the chances are the shoot will have better results.
I politely set the escort in a different room and I have never had any objections to that. I have not had any negative experiences from escort issues.
i guess it would be important to say i have been on mm since i was seventeen, (i am now eighteen) and i have never ever decided to bring an escort to any shoot up until about two weeks ago after the incident. any other time i have was when i was seventeen and the photographer told me he would not shoot with me if i didn't, but for those who didn't i would just go alone. (: i've gone to more shoots alone than with an escort.
we allow escorts and we've done a lot of shoots and have never had a major problem. boyfriends can be a little annoying sometimes, especially if they are operating as manager and are in a grumpy mood.
i've done intimate nude shoots with the boyfriend sitting on the couch behind us and it just wasn't a problem. during breaks the nude model would sit on his lap (awww).
but if an escort ever robs me or hassles me then i reserve the right to change my mind.
E360 wrote: I guess I am a little surprised at some of the comments here. I just always assume that it is the models choice to bring an escort if they choose. If it makes them more comfortable, the chances are the shoot will have better results.
twoharts wrote: we allow escorts and we've done a lot of shoots and have never had a major problem. boyfriends can be a little annoying sometimes, especially if they are operating as manager and are in a grumpy mood.
i've done intimate nude shoots with the boyfriend sitting on the couch behind us and it just wasn't a problem. during breaks the nude model would sit on his lap (awww).
but if an escort ever robs me or hassles me then i reserve the right to change my mind.
Good god, I hope all those thing don't happen to everyone!
I also have a no escort policy (but "drivers" waiting nearby, are fine), but I sure don't blame you for wanting one.
Ah ha moment. I usually have someone drive me or with me if I am traveling. I have used the term escort and gotten shut out. Will be making myself much clearer from now on.
BlueMoonPics wrote: Instead of saying you'll bring an escort why not say you'll bring your assistant instead.
This way photographers shouldn't feel threatened and you can have someone with you to help out.
I am rabid on the no-escort thing, but I honestly can't complain about this...
PROVIDED the assistant has signed something through you indemnifying you and the rest of the crew in the event of injury or damages.
I have all of my crew sign an agreement prior to shooting, so we're focused on the project and not on being litigious. If you were to bring an assistant, and that assistant had signed a contract indemnifying the rest of the crew, they would no longer be an insurance risk, and I'd appreciate the effort made to go through relatively professional channels. (as a hobbyist, I don't have a staffed reception area where your entourage can hang out, so i have to be careful that I don't get sued if someone trips on a light stand).
(it doesn't work to have *your* escort sign *my* indemnification agreement, because the way it's worded implies that they're my assistant now, and their first job is to go hang out at starbucks for 3 hours...)
One model came with her boyfriend, she introduced him to me, then she told him to leave and come back in two hours, no sooner! That was fine, we had a good shoot. I used to let escorts stay and watch, but they (esp. boyfriends) have a way of killing the buzz. One even brought a camera along! With others, I feel like I should have hired a security guard to watch them. Or charged a fee for all the questions they ask.
Life is simpler for me now, and results are better: I just exclude all escorts from the shoot. They want to sit outside in their car? No problem. A pro stylist or MUA? okay - but no fakes or wannabes. Life is too short, and I'd rather skip the shoot than waste my effort in the wrong environment.
The only exception I make is for an underage model, in which case I insist on a parent (not a friend) being present the entire shoot.
As for strangers aggressively critical of your methods, just ignore them - they clearly have their own problems. Move on! Its your life, and you have to be comfortable. Best of luck to you.
I wouldnt worry about what negativity comes your way because you have the power to completely disregard the negative comments. Remember, haters gonna hate...Let em hate because it only means you're upsetting THEIR state of mind and they feel OBLIGATED to make a point in order to substantiate that gnawing feeling they have in the pit of their stomach because they read something that set off a chain reaction of negative emotion...they feel the need to correct the imbalance and in doing so, saying something to you is their way of accomplishing that. When they have said what they had to say, guess what?...that gnawing annoying feeling will still be in the pit of their stomach. It only means that you successfully got under their skin
In all, it doesn't matter what one photographer may feel is right or wrong because the bottom line is its just an opinion. It hasnt been backed by any fact and therefore is only worth what you allow it to be worth. I've worked with so-so photographers that were arrogant and pooed pooed escorts (and I never used any of their images) and then I've worked with truly amazingly talented artists that had absolutely no problem whatsoever that an escort was on site and quite often have utilized them to either help transport stuff, hold reflectors, etc. And we created AMAZING work
Brush it off and let them continue to shorten their lifespan with their negative outlook on life. (It's been proven it actually requires more energy to be upset than it does to be in a state of happiness) As always, I find that I'd rather kill em with kindness then give them the benefit of getting my panties in a twist.
The question is: are these photographers or guys with camera? Sometimes a brief look in portfolio can tell more. Do not take care about second group.
I am usually perfectly fine with escort, if I am shooting with the team, then at least for escort to come, check the place and then leave when space does not allow to add endless amount of people.
Boyfriends as escorts ... 4 cases in 5 disaster. You have a model and boyfriend who is usually acting as two 3 years kids so far you spend a little time to take care of model and shoots, the rest of boyfriend who got bored, drunk or little too high, falling into equipment etc. 1 of 5 of boyfriends is somebody who would you hire right away as assistant. Unfortunately there are remaining four.
I really prefer some friend as escort who is interested in shoot itself, does not make model nervous more than necessary, not just someone who is forced to go there with you :-)
--Petr
Jojo West
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Washington, District of Columbia, US
DixieGrace wrote: I wouldnt worry about what negativity comes your way because you have the power to completely disregard the negative comments. Remember, haters gonna hate...Let em hate because it only means you're upsetting THEIR state of mind and they feel OBLIGATED to make a point in order to substantiate that gnawing feeling they have in the pit of their stomach because they read something that set off a chain reaction of negative emotion...they feel the need to correct the imbalance and in doing so, saying something to you is their way of accomplishing that. When they have said what they had to say, guess what?...that gnawing annoying feeling will still be in the pit of their stomach. It only means that you successfully got under their skin
In all, it doesn't matter what one photographer may feel is right or wrong because the bottom line is its just an opinion. It hasnt been backed by any fact and therefore is only worth what you allow it to be worth. I've worked with so-so photographers that were arrogant and pooed pooed escorts (and I never used any of their images) and then I've worked with truly amazingly talented artists that had absolutely no problem whatsoever that an escort was on site and quite often have utilized them to either help transport stuff, hold reflectors, etc. And we created AMAZING work
Brush it off and let them continue to shorten their lifespan with their negative outlook on life. (It's been proven it actually requires more energy to be upset than it does to be in a state of happiness) As always, I find that I'd rather kill em with kindness then give them the benefit of getting my panties in a twist.
DixieGrace wrote: I wouldnt worry about what negativity comes your way because you have the power to completely disregard the negative comments. Remember, haters gonna hate...Let em hate because it only means you're upsetting THEIR state of mind and they feel OBLIGATED to make a point in order to substantiate that gnawing feeling they have in the pit of their stomach because they read something that set off a chain reaction of negative emotion...they feel the need to correct the imbalance and in doing so, saying something to you is their way of accomplishing that. When they have said what they had to say, guess what?...that gnawing annoying feeling will still be in the pit of their stomach. It only means that you successfully got under their skin
Sounds great in theory (if a little winded)...but I doubt that the OP would have started this thread if she had decided to just "ignore the hater".
DixieGrace wrote: In all, it doesn't matter what one photographer may feel is right or wrong because the bottom line is its just an opinion. It hasnt been backed by any fact and therefore is only worth what you allow it to be worth.
It's actually an informed opinion that can be substantiated by fact quite easily...and has been many times.
Models that decide to do their homework, and employ sensible safety precautions and do not use escorts have a great safety track record on MM.
DixieGrace wrote: I've worked with so-so photographers that were arrogant and pooed pooed escorts (and I never used any of their images) and then I've worked with truly amazingly talented artists that had absolutely no problem whatsoever that an escort was on site and quite often have utilized them to either help transport stuff, hold reflectors, etc. And we created AMAZING work
Brush it off and let them continue to shorten their lifespan with their negative outlook on life. (It's been proven it actually requires more energy to be upset than it does to be in a state of happiness) As always, I find that I'd rather kill em with kindness then give them the benefit of getting my panties in a twist.
I may have shortened my lifespan reading all the "kindness" in this post.
EmGii wrote: on my portfolio i do say i'll be bringing an escort, (i say my boyfriend to scare away the creeps. :p) but i get these photographers messaging me saying how unprofessional it is and tells me to take time to read threads and honestly insult my personal intellect and it's just kinda like well if you don't like it then don't shoot with me? i was almost raped at a shoot, (he was reported and everything, it was on my old modelmayhem profile) and honestly, i'm not going to risk it again, because not only did it trigger my ptsd but it just well it made me take a looonnng break from modeling and it was terrifying. i don't see why photographers must go out of their way to message me personally, and sometimes they don't even live in the same state. it just ug. i'm sorry, maybe i'm just ranting. my question is does this always happen to models and how do you go about handling it? delete the message? blow it off? confront them?
I'm sorry that you had such an incident that triggered your ptsd. Some photographers must have a lot of free time to waste on messaging you to tell you that they are an egotistical, and judgemental. You'll never work with those sorts anyway, so why not block them?
This is just my opinion, but I believe that there are plenty of people who are understanding and sympathetic enough like myself that would work with you. I'm not some sort of exclusive person that labels people who attend a shoot with the model as "the enemy" or better known as the "escort!" I am inclusive, and I like to discuss with the model about any and all invited guests that might attend the shoot. I've shot in conditions that vary from being on the location with a large number of people, to being "one on one" with the model only. This is nearly always discussed in advance as I've shot with some models who are not comfortable with any other person in the to those who can enjoy an audience like I can!
I would never consider you "unprofessional" nor label you as such! Name calling is just plain stupid in my book! I don't even like the label "escort" as it's become such a huge deal in the digital model photography age. If someone is going to be attending a photo shoot of mine, they are going to be an invited guest. Sometimes it's a MUA, or an assistant, and other times it might be someone there just to bring comfort in the form of security to the photographer and/or model. Heck! I've even asked people to attend for purposes such as watching our backs on street locations where we are surrounded by people! I also am not able to do MU, body paint, nor rigging ... so sometimes I have to rely on someone for those duties. In any case, it's all discussed before hand.
IF a model were to bring someone without asking me about it in advance, then that would be an "uninvited guest" which means that I have the option to not do the shoot if I choose. Always discuss this in advance! As I would respect model, I would hope to receive the same. Don't let those photographers who are messaging you bother you! Best wishes!
Image K wrote: I may have shortened my lifespan reading all the "kindness" in this post.
OMG!!! Don't read my reply then because I don't want to finish you off!
I know you have posted from the "no escort" camp many times. Since I've been shooting about as long a time as you have, you already know about the time I was kidnapped by the German model and her female escort that I met at a nightclub back in 1992. If there was ever a photographer who could have used an escort ... it was me! That was scary, but I know I made a bad judgement call. I don't go to nightclubs to find models anymore, and I do my "homework" in checking models out, and I hope they do the same towards me. As long as a model is not rude, insistent about bringing someone in a manner that sets of red flags to me ... and that we've discussed who it is that will be attending. I'm usually pretty good about invited guests. I do like to meet them in advance though, and discuss what their purpose is. I also have the right to end the photo session if that guest does anything inappropriate. COMMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!
If an escort is needed for you to feel comfortable, you'll only be comfortable with photographers that allow escorts. Just tell photographers you want an escort, and that is that. Ignore those that whine or try to talk you into coming without the escort.
Never go into a situation that is uncomfortable. You'll not like it, and the images will reflect it.
Patrick Walberg wrote: OMG!!! Don't read my reply then because I don't want to finish you off!
I know you have posted from the "no escort" camp many times. Since I've been shooting about as long a time as you have, you already know about the time I was kidnapped by the German model and her female escort that I met at a nightclub back in 1992. If there was ever a photographer who could have used an escort ... it was me! That was scary, but I know I made a bad judgement call. I don't go to nightclubs to find models anymore, and I do my "homework" in checking models out, and I hope they do the same towards me. As long as a model is not rude, insistent about bringing someone in a manner that sets of red flags to me ... and that we've discussed who it is that will be attending. I'm usually pretty good about invited guests. I do like to meet them in advance though, and discuss what their purpose is. I also have the right to end the photo session if that guest does anything inappropriate. COMMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!
I'm all for communication Patrick, but it many cases, it doesn't solve the problem when there are two diametrically-opposed viewpoints.
The OP and her tormentor had communication (though limited)...and they still found themselves at an impasse.
DougBPhoto wrote: ...
If you were on this site previously AND you have the experience to ask for the rates you are asking for, it is kind of surprising that you are not familiar with the drama that "escort" has associated with that request and that topic.
Hi,
Did you catch her reply that she is now 18?
Jen
Paige Morgan wrote: ..
I've always been of the mind that if you don't trust the person enough to be alone in a room with them, you should choose someone else to shoot with.
Me too
JoJo West,
You say that you have your husband come with you for your job and stand gaurd outside. Really? Okay, I get it, if your job is at a very dangerous place and you absolutely must do it and it is a risk of your life.
but...
Wow, I was raised with a different perspective but, I truly do NOT believe in doing something that I feel I need a bodygaurd for.
Also, the original poster is all of 18 years old and I can only recommend that she recover from her ptsd flashback of her abusive relationship in the past that was triggered by nearly being raped so strongly that she had to take a long break from modeling and now needs the escort of her bi boyfriend might want to take a break from her $200. dollar minimum modeling... and get herself stronger.
yes, just say you will have a driver drop you off, help carry your stuff (which allows them to scope out the photographer and the place) and come back for you when the shoot is over. and make sure you have the driver on speed dial just in case.
Carolina Goddess wrote: Ah ha moment. I usually have someone drive me or with me if I am traveling. I have used the term escort and gotten shut out. Will be making myself much clearer from now on.
Rays Fine Art wrote: And some good practices whether you're modeling or not:
1- If you're not comfortable doing it, don't do it. This is one place where feminine intuition is a perfectly good reason.
...4- Use the brains God gave you, as my dear old sainted mother used to say.
Yes and YES!!
Feminine "gut" feelings, even the subtle ones are worth listening too. Trust them. If you are wrong, then still, you are safe because you trusted those gut feelings to abandon the shoot!
Jen
EmGii wrote: i guess it would be important to say i have been on mm since i was seventeen, (i am now eighteen) and i have never ever decided to bring an escort to any shoot up until about two weeks ago after the incident. any other time i have was when i was seventeen and the photographer told me he would not shoot with me if i didn't, but for those who didn't i would just go alone. (: i've gone to more shoots alone than with an escort.
Oh dear
This is definitely a quite different thread/adventure story.
EmGii wrote: on my portfolio i do say i'll be bringing an escort, (i say my boyfriend to scare away the creeps. :p) but i get these photographers messaging me saying how unprofessional it is and tells me to take time to read threads and honestly insult my personal intellect and it's just kinda like well if you don't like it then don't shoot with me? i was almost raped at a shoot, (he was reported and everything, it was on my old modelmayhem profile) and honestly, i'm not going to risk it again, because not only did it trigger my ptsd but it just well it made me take a looonnng break from modeling and it was terrifying. i don't see why photographers must go out of their way to message me personally, and sometimes they don't even live in the same state. it just ug. i'm sorry, maybe i'm just ranting. my question is does this always happen to models and how do you go about handling it? delete the message? blow it off? confront them?
I have problems if someone says they want to bring a boyfriend or husband - it just doesn't work for me. For one practical thing, my home-studio (apartment) really isn't so big and I don't like have other people watching the shoot. Maybe some will think that's odd - but it is was it is. Honestly, it changes the whole vibe of the shoot - it tends to make me and the model a little more inhibited (and I don't mean that it's harder to get her naked!).
However, I understand a model being nervous - especially if she has had horrible previous experiences. But I wouldn't give you a hard time over it - we either find a way to make it work or regrettably we don't shoot.
So I here's the things I usually suggest in this situation:
We can meet somewhere public for coffee (with your boyfriend if you want) - I haven't had anyone with any doubts after we've actually met (I've mature, down to earth, friendly and very non-threatening).
You would be welcome to bring a female escort as long as she was coll with hanging out in the bedroom and watching TV while we actually shoot.
Or your boyfriend could bring you - scout out the place (and me) - and collect you later. Plus you can check in with him during the shoot (within reason).
Plus you could ask for a reference from any MM model I've worked with.
If ultimately that wasn't enough to satisfy you, then we'd just have to find someone else to shoot with.
But it is not acceptable for anyone to call you unprofessional - neither is it really appropriate to assume a photographer might have ulterior motives just because he won't let you boyfriend hang out.
we've worked with a bunch of mayhem models who were minors and nothing bad happened. and we've had senior portrait girls come to the studio without their parents (too busy) and nothing bad happened. we do keep it age appropriate.
DougBPhoto wrote: Photographers WANTING to work with unaccompanied girls under 18 ?
Carolina Goddess wrote: Ah ha moment. I usually have someone drive me or with me if I am traveling. I have used the term escort and gotten shut out. Will be making myself much clearer from now on.
Most photographers want a model to feel safe, because it shows in the pictures.
Many photographers DON'T want the hassle of a jealous boyfriend or other drama. Or to waste time with a distracted model.
A good solution is the "driver" that waits nearby. Pretty simple.
Talking to an MM model for months, in the last 24 hours she notified me of boyfriend attending. If she had stated all along she was just here to make money, then fine, but she had stated for weeks that she wanted to work with me to learn and wanted some coaching and was going to take this really seriously.
Also when I did speak to the boyfriend, his reason for attendance was "you know, I need to keep her safe", directly to my face. This coming from a guy who has never been on a shoot before, speaking to someone published in national mags.
I didn't object, but I reasoned with her, about the wanting to learn and she saw the point in giving me her undivided attention.
You can bring a boyfriend, but if you find every single photographer being very short with you, polite, formal and leaving as early as possible, without one word of real feedback, don't be surprised. Do you think I'm going to bother to give you criticism or feedback in front of your loved ones. Come on wise up, it's not a day in the make-over studio, it's a day at work, give people your undivided attention, don't complicate things with relationships, emotions, tensions. Escorts should be more appropriate in my opinion.
twoharts wrote: we've worked with a bunch of mayhem models who were minors and nothing bad happened. and we've had senior portrait girls come to the studio without their parents (too busy) and nothing bad happened. we do keep it age appropriate.
As you stated.. "we"
Most people on this site are "I", not "We", which by definition is more than one person present.
Senior portraits are also not the same thing as modeling.
As she's currently 116 years old, the fact that she was recently 17 does seem to have some relevance to her situation, HOWEVER, the unsolicited contacting of her to harass her for her profile and her choices is clearly not appropriate at any age, period.
I'm all for communication Patrick, but it many cases, it doesn't solve the problem when there are two diametrically-opposed viewpoints.
The OP and her tormentor had communication (though limited)...and they still found themselves at an impasse.
Yes, there are two opposed viewpoints, and I understand where both sides of this subject are coming from. I am not an all or nothing state of mind regarding the "escort" issue. Instead, I am for doing whatever it takes to accomplish a good photo session. My dad was a great high school basketball and football coach. I think I have picked up many of his people skills.
Even if it's just one model and photographer, it's still a team. Someone has to be the leader. If there are other people there, I am going to give them direction as to what I expect of them. I give my little "talk" regardless if it's a MUA, an assistant, or even a chaperone. People around me do not break my concentration, and I'm always in charge. If someone doesn't fulfill what I asked them to do, or if they interfere with the shoot, then they must leave.
Some parents have dropped their 16 year old daughters off for me to shoot with me and leave. So I've worked with minors with or without an "escort" ... it's never been an issue in 30 years. Another thing is that I've met boyfriends, husbands, mothers, dads, MUA's, hair stylists, graphic artists, and many other interesting people by being a people photographer.
Sure, I had one time only where I had to ask an "uninvited boyfriend" of one model to leave. In another situation, I had the pleasure of watching another model doing my job in a sense when she put another models boyfriend in his place so to speak.
Potential models talk with me about what they need to do their job. If they have medical issues, or other reasons why they might need assistance, I listen. If they are not secure with me, then I'll work with them until they are secure. I've had veteran models who meet me for the first time and then we go shoot in a deserted old building minutes later. I've had what I call "first timers" who I let bring someone for the first shoot, and then after that, we are getting together with me picking her up to drive to locations to shoot. It's about communicating and taking the time to build trust in the photographer and model relationship.
I was an awful lot like the kid in the movie Almost Famous though, as in naive. I've learned quite a bit about working with people since then. If they want to work with me, and don't want me to have to stop the session, then they shall do what it takes to get those great images. That's my motto right there; Whatever it takes!
One more thing ... "tormentor" is a good label for any photographer who takes it upon themselves to write a message to a model that they will never work with only to call her "unprofessional" because she states in her profile that she brings an "escort!" The one who is "unprofessional" is the photographer wasting their time writing such a message. What IS professional is to state what your needs or requests are and if the other person doesn't fit those, then just move on!
Paige Morgan wrote: ..
I've always been of the mind that if you don't trust the person enough to be alone in a room with them, you should choose someone else to shoot with.
I was with Ford for years and I had no trouble taking my mom, my driver, my manager etc to even the most professional shoots where I was getting paid $10,000 for commercial campaigns that these photographers who are messaging you only dream of but will never be good enough for. Almost every single successful person here in LA has an entire entourage with them wherever they go. People who are actually professional and successful in the industry are used to it. Before I joined model mayhem I didn't even realize that the people in your entourage were considered "escorts" and that amature photographers have a backlash against them. I have heard of some boyfriends getting upset with their model gf doing nude work, or trying to direct the shoot but professionals don't bring those people to shoots, so it's obvious that the people who have backlash against "escorts" haven't worked with successful people who have assistants. Maybe you can change your profile to say you will be bringing an "assistant" or personal assistant who will be a fly on the wall, just sit back and read a book or hold a reflector, carry your bags of wardrobe that mm photographers demand we provide, or other tasks. I have only worked with one single photographer from mm who wrote "no escorts" in his profile and it was a huge mistake but I needed the money. Don't let them bully you into doing anything you are uncomfortable with. You are not a walking talking prop. You are beautiful AND strong.
Anna Adrielle
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Antwerp, Antwerp, Belgium
Amanda Ashley Harris wrote: I was with Ford for years and I had no trouble taking my mom, my driver, my manager etc to even the most professional shoots where I was getting paid $10,000 for commercial campaigns that these photographers who are messaging you only dream of but will never be good enough for. Almost every single successful person here in LA has an entire entourage with them wherever they go. People who are actually professional and successful in the industry are used to it. Before I joined model mayhem I didn't even realize that the people in your entourage were considered "escorts" and that amature photographers have a backlash against them. I have heard of some boyfriends getting upset with their model gf doing nude work, or trying to direct the shoot but professionals don't bring those people to shoots, so it's obvious that the people who have backlash against "escorts" haven't worked with successful people who have assistants. Maybe you can change your profile to say you will be bringing an "assistant" or personal assistant who will be a fly on the wall, just sit back and read a book or hold a reflector, carry your bags of wardrobe that mm photographers demand we provide, or other tasks. I have only worked with one single photographer from mm who wrote "no escorts" in his profile and it was a huge mistake but I needed the money. Don't let them bully you into doing anything you are uncomfortable with. You are not a walking talking prop. You are beautiful AND strong.
I get what you're saying... when I work as a commercial model, it's not uncommon for 10 people to be there on set, all walking around and being busy, more often than not giving direction and opinions (and they don't always agree), and photographers deal with it just fine.
but this is mayhem, not the professional fashion industry
RKD Photographic
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Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
ArtisticGlamour wrote: A good solution is the "driver" that waits nearby. Pretty simple.
Hmmm... Try finding a 'driver' that wants to sit in their car 'nearby' for four hours or more - especially at this time of year...
I shoot TFP on weekends - usually on Sunday afternoons and here in Germany everything closes on a Sunday apart from gas stations...
Remember I mentioned earlier about how one model's BF, after doing the decent thing and leaving the studio after checking me out, came back early and demanded they leave because 'he was bored'...?
291
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SEQUOIA NATIONAL PARK, California, US
with all the drama coming out between this escort thread and the other "i didn't get my pictures" from tf* there is really only one solution. stop doing tf*.
op, limit yourself to actual client work. the escort(s) you seek will be professionals on the set and the pictures you want will be in the form of tear sheets. then, your escort and picture problems will be solved.
Amanda Ashley Harris wrote: I was with Ford for years and I had no trouble taking my mom, my driver, my manager etc to even the most professional shoots where I was getting paid $10,000 for commercial campaigns that these photographers who are messaging you only dream of but will never be good enough for. Blah blah blah...
Nowhere in your "$10K campaign" story do I read about bringing your jealous boyfriend "escort" on your shoots...where he (or your Mom) proceeded to direct the shoot or distract you from your professional focus.
RKD Photographic wrote: Hmmm... Try finding a 'driver' that wants to sit in their car 'nearby' for four hours or more - especially at this time of year...
That's why Starbucks or a Studio Lobby was invented.
* le sigh * This sort of stuff really puts the "mayhem" in Model Mayhem.
Models - do you engage in ANY other form of employment with an escort's protection? Do you really and truly believe that modeling is such a perilous pursuit? I can't imagine anyone showing up at their day job with an escort, but if you're too timid to leave the house without having someone to hold your hand and to protect you from your own shadow then perhaps modeling is not the career path you should take. You should go back to being a sandwich artiste at Subway.
Photographers - of course you don't want any dead wood lurking around and getting underfoot simply because some little girl has decreed it must be so. So don't hire her! Hire a pro instead. But if you've got the time to personally school this little twit you may not be busy enough with photography anyway. And responding to the girl's bad manners with a rant of your own just drags you down to her level. Poor form, don't you think?
Now, can we all just get back to modeling and shooting?
Don't read my reply then because I don't want to finish you off!
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