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Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


I just did my first art nude shoot and wanted to share:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/1852474/306729

Overall I'm pretty happy with these but am curious to know what others think. C&C welcome.

Thanks!
Jan 17 13 01:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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ELiffmann
Posts: 1,397
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


very nice!  Second is my least favorite.  Seems pushed in post or something and has a "too hard" feeling for my taste.
Jan 17 13 01:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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karenjerzykphotography
Posts: 1,752
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Well done!
Jan 17 13 01:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,319
Orlando, Florida, US


With all due respect.... you couldn't have worked with a better model for art nudes.

I have a weird feeling you'd have gotten amazing stuff with your iphone and a desk lamp.
Jan 17 13 01:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


ELiffmann wrote:
very nice!  Second is my least favorite.  Seems pushed in post or something and has a "too hard" feeling for my taste.

Thanks--I actually was going for more of a gritty look with that one. I wanted to try a couple different takes on it.

karenjerzykphotography wrote:
Well done!

Thanks!

Jan 17 13 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
With all due respect.... you couldn't have worked with a better model for art nudes.

I have a weird feeling you'd have gotten amazing stuff with your iphone and a desk lamp.

there's no doubt that the model added to the quality of these shots. as with much of photography, the subject plays a huge role in the final product.

that said, I did put a lot of thought into how I lit her and composed the shots. but i'm sorry you seem so unimpressed.

Jan 17 13 02:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Glenn Hall - Fine Art
Posts: 431
Townsville, Queensland, Australia


Good Egg Productions wrote:
With all due respect.... you couldn't have worked with a better model for art nudes.

I have a weird feeling you'd have gotten amazing stuff with your iphone and a desk lamp.

...about sums it up, without saying the obvious.

Jan 17 13 02:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Floofie
Posts: 381
Portland, Oregon, US


Knocked it out of the park big_smile
Jan 17 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Falcons Nest
Posts: 543
Brooklyn, New York, US


If that's your first art nude work, I'm glad I got to see your stuff before you won the Pulitzer.

I'm feelin' it.
Jan 17 13 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
730372
Posts: 1,952
Abbeville, Alabama, US


I like 'em, especially the first and second smile
Jan 17 13 02:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,786
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


NICE!
Jan 17 13 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
NakedPresence
Posts: 35
Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland


Number 2 is my fav. 

I like the way it's processed and it shows off the tautness/fitness of the model.  In composition, sometimes people talk about setting up triangles to improve the photo and you've got lots of them going on.
Jan 17 13 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Vincent Wolff
Posts: 2,851
Chicago, Illinois, US


3 is my favorite, but I like the others too.  really good work
Jan 17 13 03:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,319
Orlando, Florida, US


dhp wrote:

there's no doubt that the model added to the quality of these shots. as with much of photography, the subject plays a huge role in the final product.

that said, I did put a lot of thought into how I lit her and composed the shots. but i'm sorry you seem so unimpressed.

If you wanted a handjob, here...

The images are very good.

EXCELLENT for a first attempt at art nudes ever.

I don't necessarily agree with the noise in the treatments.

Good job.

Jan 17 13 03:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Supermodel Photographer
Posts: 3,309
Oyster Bay, New York, US


dhp wrote:
First Art Nudes -- Thoughts?

Not that I notice.

Jan 17 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BCADULTART
Posts: 1,986
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Model is great.  Lighting is good, I think, but the post work is way off, My OP.

The problem might be in how you did the B & W conversions?

Hope you saved the RAW files.

Chuck
Jan 17 13 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
If you wanted a handjob, here...

The images are very good.

EXCELLENT for a first attempt at art nudes ever.

I just took issue in what I interpreted to imply that I did virtually nothing in the creation of these photographs. Which is unhelpful and condescending. Maybe that's not what you meant, but that's how I took it.

Good Egg Productions wrote:
I don't necessarily agree with the noise in the treatments.

Good job.

This is more helpful.

BCADULTART wrote:
Model is great.  Lighting is good, I think, but the post work is way off, My OP.

The problem might be in how you did the B & W conversions?

Hope you saved the RAW files.

Chuck

What is "way off" about the B&W in your eyes?

Thanks all others, for the comments

Jan 17 13 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,319
Orlando, Florida, US


I apologize.  Wrong foot.

What I was doing was complimenting you on your choice for a model to dip your toes into the world of art nudes.

I've seen some people take models of this caliber and really do them an injustice.  You have not made such a mistake.  I like the images.  I think very little things like a slightly wider framing may have made things better.  The crops look a little tight on the all three images.

So that's all I was saying.  It's probably jealousy that I haven't ever had the pleasure of working with her.
Jan 17 13 03:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
I apologize.  Wrong foot.

What I was doing was complimenting you on your choice for a model to dip your toes into the world of art nudes.

I've seen some people take models of this caliber and really do them an injustice.  You have not made such a mistake.  I like the images.  I think very little things like a slightly wider framing may have made things better.  The crops look a little tight on the all three images.

I wish I had more space to work with but I was using my tiny apt in SF. I agree the framing is a bit tight. Originally we were going to do some location work but it was freezing cold. Next time...

Good Egg Productions wrote:
So that's all I was saying.  It's probably jealousy that I haven't ever had the pleasure of working with her.

No worries. She is a tremendously talented model. I'd be jealous, too.

Jan 17 13 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
MainePaintah
Posts: 1,713
Saco, Maine, US


I think that #1 is FANTASTIC and belongs in an art book!

Well done!! I can't compliment you enough!
Jan 17 13 03:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TRENT FETFAN
Posts: 1,026
Chapel Hill, North Carolina, US


I dont think they are bad but they are just boring for me. Those shots are no different than naked girl with caution tape or on railroad tracks. Nothing about them is original or shows you as the artist because they are simply representations of a million other shots done a million times before:(
Jan 17 13 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Cole Morrison
Posts: 3,958
Portland, Oregon, US


I can only say WOW JEALOUS those are amazing shots!
Jan 17 13 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


SMASSH STUDIO wrote:
I dont think they are bad but they are just boring for me. Those shots are no different than naked girl with caution tape or on railroad tracks. Nothing about them is original or shows you as the artist because they are simply representations of a million other shots done a million times before:(

I agree with you that they are not anything particularly unique or original. Therefore calling it "fine art" is probably a stretch, but I meant it more in terms of genre. However I disagree that about it conceptually being equated to the caution tape and railroad track types shots.

Railroads, gas masks, caution tapes, and similarly cliche shots are uninventive but at the same time serve no purpose and have no meaning (generally speaking). There is no objective criteria with which to evaluate these types of shots ("what's the point?"). You only have the content, which has no meaning, and therefore is constantly ridiculed. It's not ridiculed purely because it is repeated, but more because it is repeated AND serves no purpose.

Whereas what I was after was something that could be looked at both objectively and subjectively:

The purpose of this shoot was finding ways to define the lines and physicality of the model. It was also experimental in that I had never done anything like this before (so I didn't exactly have high hopes of re-defining a genre). This is something that can be evaluated objectively (does the light and shadow define the figure? if no, what could be changed to reach that goal?). Whether or not it is of interest of you falls under subjectivity and I respect other's opinions of whether something I create is boring or not. And if that's how you feel, I totally accept that.

Jan 17 13 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BCADULTART
Posts: 1,986
Boston, Massachusetts, US


I'd don't know what body they were shot with or what processing software you used but the conversion from RGB or sRGB to B & W did not work, in my opinion.

Chuck
Jan 17 13 04:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,344
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Good model choice and there's a grit to the processing that I like. It's not the smoothness that I expect with the poses so it's nicely unexpected.
Jan 17 13 06:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
JP09
Posts: 32
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Love love the texture an lighting. Well done.
Jan 18 13 12:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,739
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


They're not so much black and white, they're more grey and grey.  Having said that, for a first attempt they're very good, I think.

Have you thought about posting the originals in the retouching forum to see what others can do with them?
Jan 18 13 02:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
O Team Photography
Posts: 40
Duncan, British Columbia, Canada


We think they were well  done and artistic.
Jan 18 13 03:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,456
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Really like them, the light and form are wonderful.
Jan 18 13 03:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
dhp
Posts: 111
San Francisco, California, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
They're not so much black and white, they're more grey and grey.  Having said that, for a first attempt they're very good, I think.

Have you thought about posting the originals in the retouching forum to see what others can do with them?

Thanks. I was very deliberate in my processing and was also just experimenting with the look. I know that traditionally these shots have a wider range of grays within them, tonally go from black to white, and tend to look very smooth and "pretty." I wasn't going for that. I was looking to push it into raw and gritty.

I'm very comfortable in my post production so I don't have any interest really in seeing what others do with it.

Neil Snape wrote:
Really like them, the light and form are wonderful.

Thank you Neil--I am a big fan of your work. Your work with color mixing and gels have been inspirational for years!

-- Thanks all others for your comments as well!

Jan 18 13 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Kirk
Posts: 4,439
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


I think the first one is great.  Great light.  I like the processing and the overall image just the way it is.

The other two don't interest me nearly as much as the first.
Jan 18 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Danel Photography
Posts: 124
New York, New York, US


of the park
Jan 22 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Burlap Rats
Posts: 18,942
Riverside, California, US


Lovely work!
Jan 22 13 10:02 am  Link  Quote 
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