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Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


I am new to photography. I have some basic understanding, but starting to notice that my compositions are not as creative. I can utilize locations and bokeh effect very well, but struggling with new ways of composing shots. Lack of models I would say is one issue I have, but I want to be able to direct and compose the poses myself instead of relying on the models skills. Most of my pics are just of average people or myself. I believe it should be up to me to create the image and so I would like to expend my knowledge in that area. Any tips or suggestions? Thanks!
Jan 17 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,356
Upland, California, US


Look no further... over 200 amazing poses right here on this port... you're welcome... borat

Oh... and you might want to YouTube 'Coco Rocha'... wink
Jan 17 13 03:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Valenten Photography
Posts: 265
Balikpapan, Kalimantan Timur, Indonesia


http://digital-photography-school.com/2 … ale-models smile

There are also some flickr groups like this one : http://www.flickr.com/groups/greatmodelingposes/
which are rather interesting smile

I'm rather in the same position as you right now - I'm still having some troubles directing the models I shoot with.

Keep in mind that dissimetry often helps creating a striking picture. Like, one arm on the head and the other along the model's body, etc.
Jan 17 13 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
MainePaintah
Posts: 1,685
Saco, Maine, US


I am an artist, and I have my nose in art books looking at model poses all the time.

Andrew Loomis was an art teacher and illustrator a long time ago. Google him, he has about 6 books out, all with his illustration and drawings. Great models and great poses in his "Figure Drawing For All its Worth. You can download it for free in a couple of places.

Look at those and Google pin up art. Those guys from the 1930's to 1960's could really paint and they had great models!
Jan 17 13 03:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


Make small prints of the shots you like here on MM. 

Try to duplicate them.  Just watch your backgrounds and lighting.
Jan 17 13 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,699
Washington, District of Columbia, US


You could always try paying more experienced models and doing some Internet research on fashion posing
Jan 17 13 03:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Work with better models.

Don't try to direct poor models. Work with better ones.

Let the good models you work with do what they're good at without over-directing them, but be ready to capture and ask them to repeat anything that catches your eye.

Finally, work with better models.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jan 17 13 03:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Valenten Photography wrote:
http://digital-photography-school.com/2 … ale-models smile

There are also some flickr groups like this one : http://www.flickr.com/groups/greatmodelingposes/
which are rather interesting smile

I'm rather in the same position as you right now - I'm still having some troubles directing the models I shoot with.

Keep in mind that dissimetry often helps creating a striking picture. Like, one arm on the head and the other along the model's body, etc.

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. Very helpful information! Going to read those links no doubt.

Jan 17 13 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Jan 17 13 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


Brunesci brings up an awfully good point!  If you haven't worked with professional models, you don't know what your'e missing!
Jan 17 13 03:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Select llamas wrote:
Look no further... over 200 amazing poses right here on this port... you're welcome... borat

Oh... and you might want to YouTube 'Coco Rocha'... wink

1,000,000,000

Jan 17 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kevin Stenhouse
Posts: 2,658
Calgary, Alberta, Canada


It's been said. Look for models in your area that demonstrate great versatility no matter the photographer. Hire them.
Jan 17 13 04:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Valenten Photography
Posts: 265
Balikpapan, Kalimantan Timur, Indonesia


Hero Foto wrote:
chk this LIST: http://www.modelmayhem.com/list/574525

nice list indeed

Jan 17 13 04:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Jan 17 13 04:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Kevin Stenhouse wrote:
It's been said. Look for models in your area that demonstrate great versatility no matter the photographer. Hire them.

Doing exactly that! Updated my MM account with new photos and browsing my area. Any tips on how to approach them online? Thru Private Message or Just Add to friends?

Jan 17 13 06:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Hero Foto wrote:
one more LIST: http://www.modelmayhem.com/list/540614

Nice link, thanks a lot.

Jan 17 13 06:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Carlos Occidental wrote:
Brunesci brings up an awfully good point!  If you haven't worked with professional models, you don't know what your'e missing!

I can see what you mean, but I feel like its lazy from the photographers side. No?

Jan 17 13 06:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:
Work with better models.

Don't try to direct poor models. Work with better ones.

Let the good models you work with do what they're good at without over-directing them, but be ready to capture and ask them to repeat anything that catches your eye.

Finally, work with better models.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

i appreciate your opinion very much so. thanks. i feel like real pro know the poses they want to shoot before even getting to the location. all planned out. less waisted shots and more organized. No?

Jan 17 13 06:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caveman Creations
Posts: 580
Fort Worth, Texas, US


Select Models wrote:
Look no further... over 200 amazing poses right here on this port... you're welcome... borat

Oh... and you might want to YouTube 'Coco Rocha'... wink

You're lettin' him down! Ya gotta show him! hmm

Jan 17 13 06:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Caveman Creations
Posts: 580
Fort Worth, Texas, US


Sasha R Expressions  wrote:

I can see what you mean, but I feel like its lazy from the photographers side. No?

No, this isn't lazy. Having good models gets good shots. You still have to have the vision, and create the photo, but having someone who knows what they are doing just adds another level of creativity to the entire process. I'm working on this very thing myself.

Jan 17 13 06:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Phantasmal Images
Posts: 570
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Here's something I've found very useful.

http://media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com/upload/212724782369147919_TXOxBxad_c.jpg
Jan 17 13 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


YOU need to THINK out of the BOX. Learn to be creative with your poses get a nice steep ladder to step on or a small baby chair to sit on. Look at the different obtions on lens to use.
Jan 17 13 08:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,054
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Brunesci is right. But here's another list of poses for ya.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/list/518429
Jan 17 13 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Sasha R Expressions  wrote:
i feel like real pro know the poses they want to shoot before even getting to the location. all planned out. less waisted shots and more organized. No?

Not really - well not for fashion anyway.

Fashion photography is (for me) about capturing a fleeting moment, not manufacturing something static.

By all means educate yourself about what you find to be cool poses by looking at lists and magazines etc., but I've always found that trying to get any model to replicate a pose from a photo or a demonstration is almost certainly going to be an exercise in futility.

What I find works best is to encourage the model to move and pose freely without concern for whether it's "good" or not. Crank up the music and tell her to go crazy!! If she hits a pose that looks really good, give her strong positive feedback about it and ask for more like it, but don't try to micro-direct.

Digital frames are effectively free so I'd rather 'waste' 100 and get one great shot than try to force the model into a pre-determined pose and end up with 20 usable but boring frames of her looking uncomfortable.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jan 17 13 08:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Russian Invasion
Posts: 136
Phoenix, Arizona, US


-B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote:

Not really - well not for fashion anyway.

Fashion photography is (for me) about capturing a fleeting moment, not manufacturing something static.

By all means educate yourself about what you find to be cool poses by looking at lists and magazines etc., but I've always found that trying to get any model to replicate a pose from a photo or a demonstration is almost certainly going to be an exercise in futility.

What I find works best is to encourage the model to move and pose freely without concern for whether it's "good" or not. Crank up the music and tell her to go crazy!! If she hits a pose that looks really good, give her strong positive feedback about it and ask for more like it, but don't try to micro-direct.

Digital frames are effectively free so I'd rather 'waste' 100 and get one great shot than try to force the model into a pre-determined pose and end up with 20 usable but boring frames of her looking uncomfortable.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Gotcha gotcha, machine gun photography.

Jan 17 13 10:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hero Foto
Posts: 878
Phoenix, Arizona, US


Sasha R Expressions  wrote:
Gotcha gotcha, machine gun photography.

Thinking you miss understood ... it's hard to explain, but models have a movement about them ... like a dancer or martial artist ... they move in rhythms ... when you're rotoring off shots, you're not machine gunning ... you get into THEIR rhythm and capture the poses at the stop/start points of each ... basically the "highlights" of each move ...

Jan 18 13 04:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ELiffmann
Posts: 1,394
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


there's an article in the education section on here about high volume shooting.
Jan 18 13 06:41 am  Link  Quote 
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