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Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I received a message from a photographer tonight about setting up a shoot. I went to his page and well there are only 4 photos, no comments, no credits. Same for his page. No credits and about 5 or 6 profile tags but nothing saying he has worked with anyone. I asked if he had any references for me to contact and he says he has none because he is just starting his port. So my question is how do I look him up to ensure my safety or do I just pass on the work.
Jan 23 13 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


This isn't a for sure thing, but ask if he has a Facebook page.  This can give you an indication of the kind of guy he is.  Of course, people can lie on Facebook, but you can possibly look at his posts and see what his friends say.  If you see something that sets off alarms stay away. But on the other hand it could be a normal guy that is just starting out.

Perhaps do your first shoot outside in a public park that has other people.
Jan 23 13 09:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
steve sessem
Posts: 69
Lackawanna, New York, US


Perhaps do your first shoot outside in a public place that has other people.
Jan 23 13 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


I had this happen (no credits, no linked photos, etc.), except when I asked him if he had any references he gave me 2 MM model's profiles. I messaged both of them and got no response. I wasn't comfortable with meeting up with someone without any idea  what they were like, so I just messaged him as nicely as I could and explained everything, and told him that maybe we could work together in the future. Everything ended on a positive note, and the door is still open for future work with him. Just go with your gut, but don't burn any bridges! smile
Jan 23 13 09:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jackson frontier photos
Posts: 531
Joplin, Missouri, US


I will often meet models for coffee prior to working with them.  And meeting in a public area for the initial shoot is also good advise.  or escorts.
Jan 23 13 09:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,375
Tempe, Arizona, US


Nicole,

Take someone with you on your shoot, at least...
Jan 23 13 09:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
allison mindy
Posts: 1,495
New York, New York, US


Honestly I won't shoot with someone like this unless they can contact me from somewhere like FB where they do have references. It doesn't matter how much they are willing to pay. If they can't give legit references (i.e. ones I can contact and be sure that they are real people and not just fake email accounts), I tell them to contact me after they have built up their port.
Jan 23 13 10:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,244
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


EdwardKristopher wrote:
Nicole,

Take someone with you on your shoot, at least...

And that will do what? Potentially put her friend in danger( if there's danger, which is why you're taking a friend right? To protect you from danger?)  too? That's what good friends do.




OP: is there work something you really can't live without? If its nothing super fantastic, you don't have to be their first shoot if you don't feel comfortable with it.



Otherwise, trust your gut. If there are any weird things about their profile, the way they communicate with you, etc then don't go.
Ask them for their real name ( and google it)
Google their phone number
Google the address you're supposed to meet at
Use satellite or street view for that address and familiarize yourself with what's nearby in case of emergency (can you run across the street and into a coffee shop, ask to use their phone, or are you in the middle of nowhere?)
If you're going to a location, drive yourself. Be firm but polite, you'd just rather take your own car. That way you're never at someone else's mercy if you want/need to leave
Tell someone where you're going and at what times you'll be there, call them when you arrive and tell them what time you will call them again at ( either mid-shoot and/or when it's over.) if they don't hear from you by X time then they need to call you back, and if you don't answer what to do then


Know that you're free to leave any shoot you feel uncomfortable at. You don't owe anything to anybody if they're making you uncomfortable, just get up and leave.

When you're on a shoot, don't leave your things spread all over the place while you're shooting. Once you've gotten ready, pack your stuff up neatly and place it near the door, so you're not scrambling around someone's studio/house trying to get your keys and wallet and phone or worrying about having to leave all your stuff behind because you just want to get out of there quickly. If they say something about it just explain that you like to be tidy and you don't want to forget anything when you leave so you'd rather keep it all together.

Jan 23 13 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jackson frontier photos
Posts: 531
Joplin, Missouri, US


allison mindy wrote:
Honestly I won't shoot with someone like this unless they can contact me from somewhere like FB where they do have references. It doesn't matter how much they are willing to pay. If they can't give legit references (i.e. ones I can contact and be sure that they are real people and not just fake email accounts), I tell them to contact me after they have built up their port.

Don't blame you but if everyone did this that would never happen.  Plus, I'd bet some models around here have had some pretty iffy experiences with photographers who have a gazzillion references.  Is there even an association between being new and being unsafe?  Maybe, but I'd bet no one on here will be citing a social science study after commenting on that.

Jan 23 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,244
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jackson frontier photos wrote:

Don't blame you but if everyone did this that would never happen.  Plus, I'd bet some models around here have had some pretty iffy experiences with photographers who have a gazzillion references.  Is there even an association between being new and being unsafe?  Maybe, but I'd bet no one on here will be citing a social science study after commenting on that.

going to local events is one of the easiest ways for photographers to get out and start meeting real life people who can actually start to vouch for them. A "yeah I met the guy for a few hours at a group shoot/meet up/workshop" isn't as perfect as  "we shot one on one privately"... But it's better than nothing.

Jan 23 13 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Toulon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


Nicole L Grant wrote:
So my question is how do I look him up to ensure my safety or do I just pass on the work.

Why would they be unsafe, why are you safe?




Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Jan 23 13 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,573
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


steve sessem wrote:
Perhaps do your first shoot outside in a public place that has other people.

This....

Jan 23 13 10:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,338
Salem, Oregon, US


we all have to start somewhere. you could try googling his name to see what pops up. or ask for a pre-shoot meeting if you are unsure.

i didn't have any references when i started either.
Jan 23 13 10:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no escorts so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.
Jan 23 13 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DAN CRUIKSHANK
Posts: 1,786
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Pre-shoot coffee meetups are a waste of everyone's time.
Escorts are lame.

Trust your gut. Evaluate the way they are communicating. Ask them for a fb profile or anything else that can show you more about them. Shooting in a public place sounds like a good idea.
Jan 23 13 10:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 24,078
Toulon, Provence-Alpes-Côte-d'Azur, France


Nicole L Grant wrote:
He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no escorts so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.

And what are you afraid of? You have his home address, if anything happens it should be very easy for the police or someone to find you or them or both.

Sure they may be a total creep, but that's somewhat par for the course sometimes.


I'd personally be more worried about meeting someone out in public first, a lot of women are abducted from malls - those are public.



Andrew Thomas Evans
www.andrewthomasevans.com

Jan 23 13 10:21 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
EdwardKristopher
Posts: 3,375
Tempe, Arizona, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no llama herders so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.

Passing is appearing to be the best solution here...!

Jan 23 13 10:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,244
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Nicole L Grant wrote:
He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no escorts so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.

Been around for two years and still hasn't managed to meet a single person from the site?

Personally I wouldn't bother, but that's me.

Jan 23 13 10:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no escorts so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.
Andrew Thomas Evans wrote:
And what are you afraid of?

Seriously? I agree that you have to have a certain amount of trust and professionalism to do things like this, and that some people are way over cautious...
But this is a girl going to a man's house. She has no references, no way to verify what he's like, and he wants her to come alone. There is plenty to be afraid of (founded or not). I wouldn't feel comfortable going.

Jan 23 13 10:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


DAN CRUIKSHANK wrote:
Pre-shoot coffee meetups are a waste of everyone's time.
Escorts are lame.

Agree to disagree. For me it's "you agree to meet before the shoot, or I bring an escort...or no shoot". In this case, I think it would be best for the OP to decline.

I've learned some good info on this forum. The photographer I've been talking about kinda seems like the OP's photographer. Been on MM since 2011, limited port...only one photo with a credit. Along with it took forever for the guy to get me proper contact info. I may pass on shooting with him.

Jan 23 13 10:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Christinare wrote:

Seriously? I agree that you have to have a certain amount of trust and professionalism to do things like this, and that some people are way over cautious...
But this is a girl going to a man's house. She has no references, no way to verify what he's like, and he wants her to come alone. There is plenty to be afraid of (founded or not). I wouldn't feel comfortable going.

Thanks, I just happened to google the company listed at the bottom of his about me section and it linked me to another model mayhem profile that was created about a yr earlier. Exact same Bio copied and pasted, A different state, and tons of photos.

Jan 23 13 10:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Thomas Sellberg
Posts: 140
Bloomington, Illinois, US


I often offer to meet for coffee prior to a shoot. I have yet to have anyone take me up on this offer. I have shoot coming up with a model from a different town and happen to be going over there for business and offered to meet, but she never said yes or know. I have since talked to her and she is still coming to the shop for the shoot so I guess I seem honest enough... I hate to hear about guys ir the occasional woman taking advantage of a model and calling themselves photographers. This is a business and should be treated as such. What you do with your secretary or assistant is your business but clients are off limits... Just my outlook.
Jan 23 13 11:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Neil Snape
Posts: 9,456
Paris, Île-de-France, France


The references given are not solid enough.

Nothing against the person but reputations are built with each collaboration over time. No record of this, no reliable references, is little to go on.

I'd say pass, as 4 pictures show you what exactly? There must be local photographers that can  do better.
Jan 23 13 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,939
Santa Ana, California, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
I received a message from a photographer tonight about setting up a shoot. I went to his page and well there are only 4 photos, no comments, no credits. Same for his page. No credits and about 5 or 6 profile tags but nothing saying he has worked with anyone. I asked if he had any references for me to contact and he says he has none because he is just starting his port. So my question is how do I look him up to ensure my safety or do I just pass on the work.

Yep - why should a particular photographer believe you're safe?

Jan 23 13 11:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Nicole L Grant
Posts: 77
Atlanta, Georgia, US


John Allan wrote:

Yep - why should a particular photographer believe you're safe?

If I thought someone was unsafe I wouldn't even contact them about working together.

Jan 24 13 12:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fashion and Flesh
Posts: 37
CARDIFF BY THE SEA, California, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

And that will do what? Potentially put her friend in danger( if there's danger, which is why you're taking a friend right? To protect you from danger?)  too? That's what good friends do.




OP: is there work something you really can't live without? If its nothing super fantastic, you don't have to be their first shoot if you don't feel comfortable with it.



Otherwise, trust your gut. If there are any weird things about their profile, the way they communicate with you, etc then don't go.
Ask them for their real name ( and google it)
Google their phone number
Google the address you're supposed to meet at
Use satellite or street view for that address and familiarize yourself with what's nearby in case of emergency (can you run across the street and into a coffee shop, ask to use their phone, or are you in the middle of nowhere?)
If you're going to a location, drive yourself. Be firm but polite, you'd just rather take your own car. That way you're never at someone else's mercy if you want/need to leave
Tell someone where you're going and at what times you'll be there, call them when you arrive and tell them what time you will call them again at ( either mid-shoot and/or when it's over.) if they don't hear from you by X time then they need to call you back, and if you don't answer what to do then


Know that you're free to leave any shoot you feel uncomfortable at. You don't owe anything to anybody if they're making you uncomfortable, just get up and leave.

When you're on a shoot, don't leave your things spread all over the place while you're shooting. Once you've gotten ready, pack your stuff up neatly and place it near the door, so you're not scrambling around someone's studio/house trying to get your keys and wallet and phone or worrying about having to leave all your stuff behind because you just want to get out of there quickly. If they say something about it just explain that you like to be tidy and you don't want to forget anything when you leave so you'd rather keep it all together.

And that would just about eliminate every really creative soul...so don't expect much excitement in the photos either.

Jan 24 13 12:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,068
Chicago, Illinois, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

And that will do what? Potentially put her friend in danger( if there's danger, which is why you're taking a friend right? To protect you from danger?)  too? That's what good friends do.




OP: is there work something you really can't live without? If its nothing super fantastic, you don't have to be their first shoot if you don't feel comfortable with it.



Otherwise, trust your gut. If there are any weird things about their profile, the way they communicate with you, etc then don't go.
Ask them for their real name ( and google it)
Google their phone number
Google the address you're supposed to meet at
Use satellite or street view for that address and familiarize yourself with what's nearby in case of emergency (can you run across the street and into a coffee shop, ask to use their phone, or are you in the middle of nowhere?)
If you're going to a location, drive yourself. Be firm but polite, you'd just rather take your own car. That way you're never at someone else's mercy if you want/need to leave
Tell someone where you're going and at what times you'll be there, call them when you arrive and tell them what time you will call them again at ( either mid-shoot and/or when it's over.) if they don't hear from you by X time then they need to call you back, and if you don't answer what to do then


Know that you're free to leave any shoot you feel uncomfortable at. You don't owe anything to anybody if they're making you uncomfortable, just get up and leave.

When you're on a shoot, don't leave your things spread all over the place while you're shooting. Once you've gotten ready, pack your stuff up neatly and place it near the door, so you're not scrambling around someone's studio/house trying to get your keys and wallet and phone or worrying about having to leave all your stuff behind because you just want to get out of there quickly. If they say something about it just explain that you like to be tidy and you don't want to forget anything when you leave so you'd rather keep it all together.

Gee, that's a lot too do.   Look on Google maps to see if there are places to run to?   Many models don't have cars either.  Tell you what all photographers should be required to do a DNA test, pass a NSA background check and models should check in every ten minutes with friends and the police.   If free photo shoots require all that are they really worth doing?   Many of the shooters who join MM won't have many models to show.   Their profiles may be poorly worded and I know several who are excellent photographers buy socially awkward.   Well good job of potentially scaring models.

Jan 24 13 01:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jessika-Rabbiit
Posts: 47
Houston, Texas, US


I would just take a pass. There are plenty other photographers to work with it won't be the end of the world if you don't work with them. I wouldn't work with anyone who cant prove their work. There are alot of GWC's out there, not every photographer on MM are actually photographers.
Jan 24 13 01:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L Bass
Posts: 956
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


There are plenty of reputable photographers in the Atlanta area that you could work with that do indeed have verifiable references. There is no sense in taking a chance with a photographer that doesn't. Pretty simple.
Jan 24 13 02:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 21,175
Portland, Oregon, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
I received a message from a photographer tonight about setting up a shoot. I went to his page and well there are only 4 photos, no comments, no credits. Same for his page. No credits and about 5 or 6 profile tags but nothing saying he has worked with anyone. I asked if he had any references for me to contact and he says he has none because he is just starting his port. So my question is how do I look him up to ensure my safety or do I just pass on the work.

Boasting Mode On!
I've had only two flakes in ~18 years.
Boasting Model Off!

I have a good "flake ratio" in part because I am very selective about which models I will photograph.  I prefer experienced models.  If a model provided so little information for me, I'd ask my local photographic community whether anyone has any experience with the model.  Failing that, I'd just pass, reconsidering once the person gains a little more experience.

Look -- we photographers often get our start by photographing friends or classmates or family.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Alternatively, I've gotten started in a new area by first meeting other photographers, and they have helped me find models to work with.

So, in short, if it was me...
...  Check with your local photographers & models,
...  Pass for now, but leave the door open for later.


Note:  I do occasionally do a TF* session with a brand new model -- it's a risk (and to date, none have flaked on me), but I figure I owe karma back to the folks who helped me when I was first starting out.

Edit:  Alternatively, you can give the guy a break, as long as you can figure out an agreement that makes you feel safe.  If you get good pictures or good pay -- bonus!  If not, you get good karma points for helping out a newbie.  Who knows, he may turn into a world class photographer, one who remembers the break you gave him.

Jan 24 13 07:51 am  Link  Quote 
Artist/Painter
Hunter GWPB
Posts: 1,268
King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, US


Wow!  I have always appreciated the young women who took a chance on me when I joined up.  After reading all of the above, it is amazing I ever got a shot.  No facebook page, no previous references, the dreaded GWC label easily applied, and (shudder) middle aged or beyond!

So let me take this moment and thank all those that have been willing to work with me once and on multiple occasions, for your trust and effort.  Without you, I wouldn't have learned what I have learned about photographing people.  I hope that I work with all of you again as I continue to try to improve my skills.  THANK YOU!
Jan 24 13 12:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,876
Seattle, Washington, US


Laura UnBound wrote:

Been around for two years and still hasn't managed to meet a single person from the site?

Personally I wouldn't bother, but that's me.

+1

Jan 24 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,068
Chicago, Illinois, US


Hunter Wald wrote:
Wow!  I have always appreciated the young women who took a chance on me when I joined up.  After reading all of the above, it is amazing I ever got a shot.  No facebook page, no previous references, the dreaded GWC label easily applied, and (shudder) middle aged or beyond!

So let me take this moment and thank all those that have been willing to work with me once and on multiple occasions, for your trust and effort.  Without you, I wouldn't have learned what I have learned about photographing people.  I hope that I work with all of you again as I continue to try to improve my skills.  THANK YOU!

I agree completely.   Like you when I started here I lacked a Facebook account and had few models to show yet models trusted me enough to shoot.   When I was in Texas there was no community of photographers to join to ask about models.   Same for Chicago.   I've found that many photographers are unwilling to share information about models.   One of our members has found success with that method of vetting models.   Another member suggests leaving clothing near exits and  checking out local places to make a get-away to.  Gee, is it worth doing shoots if they require all of that.   People over complicate things.   What does the average woman do to go on a new date with a guy?   She simply goes.   Most, I'm guessing aren't asking past girlfriends he had too see if he was nice or using Google to see if the restaurant he's taking her to dinner  has a back door to run through.


I'm not suggesting that models or women not use common sense and due diligence but if a free shoot or even one with modest payment requires a litany of things to do before going.   Are they really worth doing.

Jan 24 13 12:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Jessica Jones  wrote:
I would just take a pass.

+1

Jan 24 13 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,073
New York, New York, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:
He gave me 3 names of people on his friends list and told me to check them out. I message 2 the 3rd hasn't been on since 2011 it shows.
He is wanting to shoot in his home studio and says no escorts so unless I can verify the references I may just pass. His profile has been around since 2010.

If that's his model mayhem profile, then he's not just starting out.  Nothing wrong with being new, but there's a lot wrong about lying about it.

I'd say turn down the offer, and maybe CAM it in case there have been other similar incidents.

Jan 24 13 01:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,244
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Tony Lawrence wrote:
Gee, that's a lot too do.   Look on Google maps to see if there are places to run to?   Many models don't have cars either.  Tell you what all photographers should be required to do a DNA test, pass a NSA background check and models should check in every ten minutes with friends and the police.   If free photo shoots require all that are they really worth doing?   Many of the shooters who join MM won't have many models to show.   Their profiles may be poorly worded and I know several who are excellent photographers buy socially awkward.   Well good job of potentially scaring models.

I dont know Tony, *I* used to do all of that without any issue, so no I dont think its too much. If a model doesnt want to do it, she doesnt have to, but this particular model was looking for advice on what to do, so I gave it.

I know you really just HATE the idea of anyone doing any kind of background checking on you, but its the same tired old argument.

If I have to drive somewhere new, I streetview the address REGARDLESS of WHO Im working with because so many houses/buildings arent numbered/easy to find the numbers and I want to know what the building Im going to looks like. While Im at it, I see what is around that building so that I can familiarize myself with the area and will know when Im at the right place. Gosh thats just so much work...a whole five minutes of my time. But youre right, thats totally the same thing as requiring a DNA test roll

Jan 24 13 01:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,366
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Nicole L Grant wrote:

If I thought someone was unsafe I wouldn't even contact them about working together.

Exactly.

This is exactly why escorts make no sense.

Jan 24 13 01:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image K
Posts: 23,366
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jessica Jones  wrote:
I would just take a pass. There are plenty other photographers to work with it won't be the end of the world if you don't work with them. I wouldn't work with anyone who cant prove their work. There are alot of GWC's out there, not every photographer on MM are actually photographers.

The same can be said of models and their http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpg/120px-88-90_Ford_Escort_Wagon.jpgs on MM.

Jan 24 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,068
Chicago, Illinois, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:

If that's his model mayhem profile, then he's not just starting out.  Nothing wrong with being new, but there's a lot wrong about lying about it.

I'd say turn down the offer, and maybe CAM it in case there have been other similar incidents.

What rules has he broken for CAM?   Is having a home studio as many do a problem.   I'm just  not getting your thought process.   What similar incidents?   Is asking models to shoot when you have few images something to CAM members for?   I don't know why he called himself new.   Maybe he still considers himself new.   Not sure that's a lie.   He could have started and stopped.   Who knows.   To me what's so sad is how many people view people as sinister when they haven't heard from the person.

Jan 24 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
PDF IMAGES PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 4,603
Jacksonville, Florida, US


Jackson frontier photos wrote:
I will often meet models for coffee prior to working with them.  And meeting in a public area for the initial shoot is also good advise.  or escorts.

This, and check what ref. you have available of the photographer.

Jan 24 13 01:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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