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Erick Prince
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Patchouli Nyx wrote:

WTF is with you guys?

are any of you in intimate relations with women? ever be in one?

what is the woman supposed to share with you besides sex?

Intimacy involves more than just grinding nasty bits, hopefully it involves trust and sharing and somewhere in a relationship there might be love.

Fast forward to when a relationship has ended and all you guys can say about dudes who post this shit and companies trying to make fortunes off setting up women for cyber stalkers is to blame the woman???


Like I said, WTF!

This is totally my fault for coming back to this damn place. Oh well. Here we go. It seems some of you have decided to place ideas and thoughts onto those that aren't all outraged and up in arms about this shit. This isn't an all or nothing situation. You can't totally blame him and totally absolve her. I'm not defending what he did. None of us are. I'm calling out this culture of stupidity and apologist. Don't post/send anything you don't want the world to see. OVER AND OVER AND OVER girls are finding themselves in this position. Just stop doing it. I've been in plenty of relationships and never once has she said, "Hey baby, send me a picture of your dick." What he did was fucked up and wrong. 100%. I am not defending it. But she sure as hell shouldn't have sent the images either. She trusted the wrong person. Happens everyday and we learn from it. I bet she won't do it again. And if she does what will you say? I bet you'll be looking at it differently then. This isn't one of those "she had it coming" threads but it seems some of you are taking it there. She didn't have it coming or deserve it but she made a bad decision and is now paying for it. You bring up my personal life and relationships. This girl CLEARLY didn't trust him enough to send the pics in the first place. She used the same exact basic logic I'm using and for whatever reason that logic went out the window. Read the very first paragraph of the article. Why would you trust someone you only dated a few months with intimate photos? Especially when you didn't 5 minutes ago?

JessieLeigh wrote:
I don't have a sister but most people I know that aren't complete assholes would be pissed off at the guy for sending the sexy photos of their sister to strangers. Most people I know that have sisters that are grown women understand that sending sexy photos is something a lot of adults do and it's not something to be judged for or vilified over.

If you are a grown man, you understand that a photo was meant for you and not your friends and strangers. Apparently a handful of the males in this thread are far from being grown... but they like to talk about what grown people do. Ironic!

Oh I agree. I would be fucking livid. Where did I post something that advocated what he did for you to direct that at me? I'm not judging or vilifying. I'm pointing out a basic fact. Had the images never been sent this isn't a story at all. FACT. I have two grown sisters that are "out there". I say my piece and move on. That's what a real brother does. You warn and let them make their choices. What I find frustrating about this, and other threads, is that instead of looking at the basic points people are making some of you cast an overall image of anyone that doesn't fully agree with you. Just look at the comment below. That's appropriate representation? Come on. My views often goes against the more liberal view that MM seems to have but I always present it as looking from both sides. Not present my side and then attack the other with names and veiled insults. THAT'S what grown ups do in civilized discourse. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Jan 29 13 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
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JessieLeigh
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Erick Prince wrote:
Oh I agree. I would be fucking livid. Where did I post something that advocated what he did for you to direct that at me? I'm not judging or vilifying. I'm pointing out a basic fact. Had the images never been sent this isn't a story at all. FACT. I have two grown sisters that are "out there". I say my piece and move on. That's what a real brother does. You warn and let them make their choices. What I find frustrating about this, and other threads, is that instead of looking at the basic points people are making some of you cast an overall image of anyone that doesn't fully agree with you. Just look at the comment below. That's appropriate representation? Come on. My views often goes against the more liberal view that MM seems to have but I always present it as looking from both sides. Not present my side and then attack the other with names and veiled insults. THAT'S what grown ups do in civilized discourse. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

Your post did nothing but blame the victim. You blamed her for making a bad choice when in many instances, it's not a bad choice. Not all men that get sexual explicit photos from former lovers send them to this site... the ones that do made a choice. You and other males in here want to ignore that choice, focusing only in on the woman's choice.

It's like saying "Oh well if the woman had choose to stay in her house rather then walking outside that night, she never would have been raped. HER FAULT!!!"

Jan 29 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
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Is it ever a good choice to share information with someone that you don't want to become public? If so, when?
Jan 29 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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It's not "she".
It's not just one woman.

It's lots of women, and lots of men that are posting their images.
Jan 29 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
Posts: 3,370
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Damianne wrote:
It's not "she".
It's not just one woman.

It's lots of women, and lots of men that are posting their images.

While this specific example is clearly lined up along gender (and sexual orientation I would assume), the underlying issue - an expectation of privacy when in intimate relationships - applies equally regardless of gender and sexual orientation.

Jan 29 13 10:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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In Balance Photography wrote:

While this specific example is clearly lined up along gender (and sexual orientation I would assume), the underlying issue - an expectation of privacy when in intimate relationships - applies equally regardless of gender and sexual orientation.

You're correct.

I'm referring to the gong show at the top of the page, I just didn't want to quote all of that.

Jan 29 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
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Damianne wrote:

You're correct.

I'm referring to the gong show at the top of the page, I just didn't want to quote all of that.

I hear you. smile

I would like to hear from the people that think there's a component of blame on the one or more of the persons that had personal information made public wrt to the privacy issue. When is it reasonable and prudent to expect privacy?

Jan 29 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
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Austin, Texas, US


JessieLeigh wrote:
Your post did nothing but blame the victim. You blamed her for making a bad choice when in many instances, it's not a bad choice. Not all men that get sexual explicit photos from former lovers send them to this site... the ones that do made a choice. You and other males in here want to ignore that choice, focusing only in on the woman's choice.

It's like saying "Oh well if the woman had choose to stay in her house rather then walking outside that night, she never would have been raped. HER FAULT!!!"

Once again I DID NOT ignore what he did at all. I specifically stated he was dead wrong and she has every right to be upset. She has every right to expect privacy but expectation and reality are two different things. Seems that some people are forgetting that fact. Your using the straw man "rape" position to validate an entirely different argument. I'm not saying its ok at all. Let me lay out my position on the subject very plainly and clearly. It's STUPID to send intimate images to someone you barely know. This wasn't a husband. This wasn't a long term boyfriend. What he did was wrong. I would never do it and would never support someone that does. Please stop trying to make anyone that doesn't agree with you as some creep that supports rape and garbage like that because it's not the case at all.

Look at the news. every year we see cases of kids being charged with possession of child porn when their boyfriend/girlfriend sends them pics like this.

In Balance Photography wrote:
Is it ever a good choice to share information with someone that you don't want to become public? If so, when?

And this is my point. Legality aside, it's basic common sense. If I don't want everyone to know my personal business (or see my goodies) why would I give it to someone I barely know? I look at the stuff posted on FB and shake my head.

Jan 29 13 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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kickfight
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In Balance Photography wrote:
Is it ever a good choice to share information with someone that you don't want to become public? If so, when?

It would appear that, at this stage, it is a bad choice to share information with someone that you don't want to become public, because at this stage information has a nasty habit of becoming excessively public.

Which is precisely why I think making things public should carry a far higher liability. That's where the accountability should center and compound: if one chooses to make someone else's information public, that act should be a far riskier proposition, causing one to pause and think before taking an action that should have serious ---perhaps even life-altering--- consequences.

Jan 29 13 11:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
Posts: 3,457
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Damianne wrote:
It's not "she".
It's not just one woman.

It's lots of women, and lots of men that are posting their images.

I'm not disagreeing with you. It's anyone posting/sharing. I was referring to what were talking about here.

Jan 29 13 11:46 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
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Erick Prince wrote:
And this is my point. Legality aside, it's basic common sense. If I don't want everyone to know my personal business (or see my goodies) why would I give it to someone I barely know? I look at the stuff posted on FB and shake my head.

I think the problem is the characterization of "barely know" can't broadly be applied here.

Can one ever trust sharing personal information with another in an intimate relationship? Is it after a month? a year? marriage? 30 years of marriage?

Jan 29 13 11:51 am  Link  Quote 
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r T p
Posts: 2,889
Los Angeles, California, US


In Balance Photography wrote:
I hear you. smile

I would like to hear from the people that think there's a component of blame on the one or more of the persons that had personal information made public wrt to the privacy issue. When is it reasonable and prudent to expect privacy?


t
hatsa good question...

heres another good question ...

When and with whom is it reasonable and prudent to share, with an expectation of privacy, that which one considers private?

Jan 29 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
Posts: 3,370
Boston, Massachusetts, US


cy be rea n wrote:
heres another good question ...

When and with whom is it reasonable and prudent to share, with an expectation of privacy, that which one considers private?

That's a better question. Let's get that one answered.

Jan 29 13 11:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
Posts: 3,457
Austin, Texas, US


In Balance Photography wrote:
I think the problem is the characterization of "barely know" can't broadly be applied here.

Can one ever trust sharing personal information with another in an intimate relationship? Is it after a month? a year? marriage? 30 years of marriage?

I agree. And that's for the individual to decide.

cy be rea n wrote:


t
hatsa good question...

heres another good question ...

When and with whom is it reasonable and prudent to share, with an expectation of privacy, that which one considers private?

I think most of us can agree that there is always an expectation of privacy. With that said, what difference does it make what the expectation is? I can expect to win the lottery tomorrow but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. We have to look at the people we are dealing with more carefully. Can I trust this person not to expose this to the world? Sure, we can believe we live in a land of cotton candy and rainbows but the reality remains that there are shady people out there that do shady things. If the legal system won't protect you then you have to protect yourself.

Jan 29 13 12:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Envy
Posts: 11,189
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In Balance Photography wrote:

I hear you. smile

I would like to hear from the people that think there's a component of blame on the one or more of the persons that had personal information made public wrt to the privacy issue. When is it reasonable and prudent to expect privacy?

When you're not hesitant to send the photos in the first place as was the case with the woman in the article.
Also when you can acknowledge that he /she may decide 1 week or 5 years down the road to share these with strangers and you're going to be ok with it.

Just as with nude modeling you can and should expect they will find their way to other sites and that they may be seen by your parents/ employers regardless of how "careful" you are. Don't put your nudes out there, even for a husband, if you're not comfortable with the possible consequences that may follow.

Jan 29 13 12:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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In Balance Photography
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Erick Prince wrote:

In Balance Photography wrote:
I think the problem is the characterization of "barely know" can't broadly be applied here.

Can one ever trust sharing personal information with another in an intimate relationship? Is it after a month? a year? marriage? 30 years of marriage?

I agree. And that's for the individual to decide.


I think most of us can agree that there is always an expectation of privacy. With that said, what difference does it make what the expectation is? I can expect to win the lottery tomorrow but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. We have to look at the people we are dealing with more carefully. Can I trust this person not to expose this to the world? Sure, we can believe we live in a land of cotton candy and rainbows but the reality remains that there are shady people out there that do shady things. If the legal system won't protect you then you have to protect yourself.

Would you recommend that married persons ever participate in boudoir photography ? (The kind that many photographers here make some of their living off of)

Jan 29 13 12:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Boho Hobo
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cy be rea n wrote:


t
hatsa good question...

heres another good question ...

When and with whom is it reasonable and prudent to share, with an expectation of privacy, that which one considers private?

the other part that can't be ignored, is that a number of "revenge" porn sites don't just have angry ex's posting, apparently it's fun for some hackers to take images off of...social networking sites and create mayhem that way.

This isn't JUST about people who sexted a shot of themselves to some guy they just met.   

It could be someone on facebook or MM for instance.



So let's not forget the discussion of the SITE OWNERS and the ISPS as well.

Jan 29 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
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Austin, Texas, US


In Balance Photography wrote:

Would you recommend that married persons ever participate in boudoir photography ? (The kind that many photographers here make some of their living off of)

I can't answer that simply yes or no. I'll make this personal. I would EXPECT my wife not to put my shit out there. I would expect my girlfriend not to. I would expect most people not to. With that said, I believe in covering my ass. When I shoot Boudoir ALL rights are sold with the images. If I break that agreement there are consequences. Do I have to put that in my contract? No. I do it so my clients will have trust in me. A marriage is also a contract. If you break that trust there are consequences. I'm not arguing people should expect their privacy to be respected. I've received naked pictures from women but I never posted them for the world to see. They trusted me and I trusted them. It's about who you trust.

Jan 29 13 12:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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Luke Ryan Photography
Posts: 580
Santa Monica, California, US


When two people voluntarily engage in sexual acts and document the acts by film or video the law basically says the person who owns the camera is the one who owns the video or film.

However, in order to profit commerically from that video a release is needed.

If the owner of the video/pictures just merely wants to post or exhibit them then no release is needed.

In my opinion federal code 2257 would NOT apply to the boyfriend/girlfriend scenario because :

(3) the term "produces" means to produce, manufacture, or
publish any book, magazine, periodical, film, video tape,
computer generated image, digital image, or picture, or other
similar matter and includes the duplication, reproduction, or
reissuing of any such matter, but does not include mere
distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring,
contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the
participation of the performers depicted;
Jan 29 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Erick Prince wrote:

I can't answer that simply yes or no. I'll make this personal. I would EXPECT my wife not to put my shit out there. I would expect my girlfriend not to. I would expect most people not to. With that said, I believe in covering my ass. When I shoot Boudoir ALL rights are sold with the images. If I break that agreement there are consequences. Do I have to put that in my contract? No. I do it so my clients will have trust in me. A marriage is also a contract. If you break that trust there are consequences. I'm not arguing people should expect their privacy to be respected. I've received naked pictures from women but I never posted them for the world to see. They trusted me and I trusted them. It's about who you trust.

What if your wife did post those images, is that your fault?

Jan 29 13 12:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
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Damianne wrote:
What if your wife did post those images, is that your fault?

Why ask a question you already know my answer to? Yes. I never should have trusted her to not do it. It's reasonable for me to trust her though.  I think you are looking at my position as blaming rather than how I mean it as prevention. You walk down a dark alley and get robbed. Yes it's the criminals fault but why would you put yourself in that situation? I think I need to sneak out before a certain somebody shows up and calls me a victim blamer.

Jan 29 13 12:52 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Erick Prince wrote:

Why ask a question you already know my answer to? Yes. I never should have trusted her to not do it. It's reasonable for me to trust her though.  I think you are looking at my position as blaming rather than how I mean it as prevention. You walk down a dark alley and get robbed. Yes it's the criminals fault but why would you put yourself in that situation? I think I need to sneak out before a certain somebody shows up and calls me a victim blamer.

No, you already are.
No one needs to call you anything.

Jan 29 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
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Damianne wrote:

No, you already are.
No one needs to call you anything.

Oh well coming from you........

Jan 29 13 01:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Erick Prince wrote:

Oh well coming from you........

What?

Your ellipses trailed off so far that it took all the sense with it.

Jan 29 13 01:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erick Prince
Posts: 3,457
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Damianne wrote:

What?

Your ellipses trailed off so far that it took all the sense with it.

Decided to go beyond the stand three for effect. I love seeing you on forums. You are so witty.

Jan 29 13 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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JessieLeigh
Posts: 2,003
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Erick Prince wrote:
Once again I DID NOT ignore what he did at all. I specifically stated he was dead wrong and she has every right to be upset. She has every right to expect privacy but expectation and reality are two different things. Seems that some people are forgetting that fact.

I must have missed that post. This is what I saw, and responded to:

Sure what he did was toolish BUT she's equally stupid for taking the photos

"Toolish" is not "dead wrong" or even "partially to blame".
And then you diminish it it by going right back to blaming the woman...

And I am not "trying to make anyone that doesn't agree with you as some creep that supports rape" at all. I just have seen more then enough men in this thread make statements blaming only the women in this matter and it was time for me to say something. Sorry, but I am not sorry that your post was the one that made me decide to enter the discussion.

Jan 29 13 01:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
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Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna


Luke Ryan Photography wrote:
In my opinion federal code 2257 would NOT apply to the boyfriend/girlfriend scenario because :

You're reading the wrong section(s).

Where the images otherwise qualify as 2257 works then 2257 applies.

There are record keeping AND labelling provisions that apply to the site as a secondary producer as well.

Studio36

Jan 29 13 01:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Luke Ryan Photography
Posts: 580
Santa Monica, California, US


studio36uk wrote:

You're reading the wrong section(s).

Where the images otherwise qualify as 2257 works then 2257 applies.

There are record keeping AND labelling provisions that apply to the site as a secondary producer as well.

Studio36

That would mean that when husband and wife are fooling around in their bedroom with their Iphone that one of them has to ask the other for two forms of ID before they film anything.

Jan 29 13 02:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Luke Ryan Photography wrote:

That would mean that when husband and wife are fooling around in their bedroom with their Iphone that one of them has to ask the other for two forms of ID before they film anything.

If they're going to publish or sell it, yes.

Jan 29 13 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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studio36uk
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Damianne wrote:
If they're going to publish or sell it, yes.

+ 1

As an aside - only ONE US issued ID document is required for 2257 record keeping purposes.

Once any 2257 qualifying image escapes into the wild from closely held private possession then a 2257 record and appropriate labelling needs to follow it to the secondary producer.

Studio36

Jan 29 13 03:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Luke Ryan Photography
Posts: 580
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I believe this law should just be eliminated.
Jan 29 13 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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mis-posted edit - see above
Jan 29 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Luke Ryan Photography wrote:
I believe this law should just be eliminated.

It's not going away. Get over it.

Studio36

Jan 29 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
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Luke Ryan Photography wrote:
I believe this law should just be eliminated.

lolwut.

Yeah, fuck consent or regulation of age.

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Photos 4 The Memories  wrote:

Wtf is with spamming these revenge porn threads? Make one and stick to it. You're not even contributing by just quoting a post and saying nothing.

Dec 17 13 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,276
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


Alabaster Crowley wrote:

Wtf is with spamming these revenge porn threads? Make one and stick to it. You're not even contributing by just quoting a post and saying nothing.

Quoting so they can not change it. Yeah your right I should have said something.

Dec 17 13 04:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Amadea T
Posts: 3,345
Columbus, Ohio, US


Accidental  Plateau wrote:
At a certain point everyday amateur nudity and sexual encounters will be so common place nobody will care.

At that point, people will be less likely to out someone, a former partner, etc., as it is not as if they are engaging in illegal conduct like theft or assault, etc.

+1

I also wonder with all the porn and just nudie pix out there, if you really think about it, half the world's female population must have arched their backs for the camera at one point or another, there is just so much out there...

In unrelated news, I am half amused over this, and half disappointed. I kinda expected it to be a site like Youtube, but you make a steamy compilation with the New Guy or Revenge Bang Guy or Rebound Guy (or girl, or whomever), and post it to your exes' horror and shame. That would be funnier IMHO. Of course someone would have to let them know that's there...preferably his best friend or parent...

Dec 17 13 04:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jangomike
Posts: 132
Wildomar, California, US


Revenge Porn sites are completely disgusting!!!! Anybody who uses them or visits them are disgusting people of the lowest kind.....

That being said...be very VERY careful who you send pics or make intimate videos with....in this day and age, you NEVER know....
Dec 17 13 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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