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Washington, District of Columbia, US


Jan 27 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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R A V E N D R I V E
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New York, New York, US


yeah thats a crazy situation, it could happen anywhere

Didn't something like this happen in New Jersey sometime last decade?
Jan 27 13 12:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chris Rifkin
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Tampa, Florida, US


I have had the heebie jeebies about crowded clubs ever since the fire that killed 100 in Warwick,RI
when Great white was playing and they had a pyro show in there that set the cheap assed sound proofing on fire.That hit very close to home in many ways,as I was good friends with the local DJ from that area that had my CD in heavy rotation during his night shipt I had out at the time..he died in that fire as he was hosting that show
And the fact that my bands have played overcrowded venues before,the worst was in my last gig with Saharra (I was basicly hired back on for that gig because I left after a major altercation with the drummer after we were dropped by MCA,but I digress),we opened for Dream Theater in a small club in Deer Park,Long Island.Dream Theater origionally were from the area,and their video for Pull Me Under was in heavy rotation on MTV and all the radio stations on Long Island at the time,which meant that the band had exploded locally from a local cult following to a rapidly accending nationao act.This gig was booked before the video hit so nobody knew that there would be a lind around the venue at 8 am the day of the show.The venue could hold only like 400 people tops...when they stopped letting people in (10 minutes before we went on)the head count was 834 yikes..I was basicly confined to the dressing room area,and the stage when we went on....
People were passing out in the crowd it was so packed....
I now think back to that fire in Warwick,a fire that night and there would have been 500 dead easily because there was only 3 ways out,the front entrence,the rear entrence,and the dressing room back door(which if there was a fire would have been useless because of all the obstacles in the way on stage,in a stampeed panic the first person tripping and falling and you have a mass of bodies blocking that door...

I have had a phobia of tightly packed venues since,and have always made sure that if tightly packed,I would compromise good viewing of the band if it meant I had easy access to an escape route
Jan 27 13 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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Heather Lilly
Posts: 456
Wiesbaden, Hassia, Germany


It said on the CNN thing that the security guards weren't letting people leave??? That makes no sense to me???

We have limited tv/internet where we are, so I am limited to information!!  Can someone please explain this to me if they know more about it?

So tragic- poor families and victims are in our thoughts & prayers hmm
Jan 27 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,474
Laguna Beach, California, US


how the fuck anyone allows bands to use pyrotechnics of ANY kind in a club setting is beyond me. plus it sounds like the place was packed way beyond legal capacity. greed and stupidity...a toxic brew that--unfortunately--never ceases to go away.

a lot of relatives are asking a lot of questions today.

i have kids of clubbing age, and i have insisted they need to check where the exits are when first entering any enclosed place.

very sad indeed.
Jan 27 13 03:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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BodyArt13
Posts: 8
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Heather Lilly wrote:
It said on the CNN thing that the security guards weren't letting people leave??? That makes no sense to me???

You are correct and I heard that too.  I heard from news that security guards thought people were trying to leave without paying and therefore prevented people from leaving. it's just terrible.

Jan 27 13 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Accidental Plateau
Posts: 7,715
Brooklyn, New York, US


GK photo wrote:
how the fuck anyone allows bands to use pyrotechnics of ANY kind in a club setting is beyond me. plus it sounds like the place was packed way beyond legal capacity. greed and stupidity...a toxic brew that--unfortunately--never ceases to go away.

a lot of relatives are asking a lot of questions today.

i have kids of clubbing age, and i have insisted they need to check where the exits are when first entering any enclosed place.

even still, this place sounds like it only had one exit, and it quickly got barricaded by those who had succumbed to the fumes.

very sad indeed.

That was not the US.

Life is a lot "cheaper" outside the US. Like after-hours clubs in the 80s.

And when the police, fire or building's dept take enforcement action some people get pissed.

Jan 27 13 04:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Accidental Plateau
Posts: 7,715
Brooklyn, New York, US


R A V E N D R I V E wrote:
yeah thats a crazy situation, it could happen anywhere

Didn't something like this happen in New Jersey sometime last decade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Jan 27 13 04:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Legacys 7
Posts: 33,776
San Francisco, California, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:
I have had the heebie jeebies about crowded clubs ever since the fire that killed 100 in Warwick,RI
when Great white was playing and they had a pyro show in there that set the cheap assed sound proofing on fire.That hit very close to home in many ways,as I was good friends with the local DJ from that area that had my CD in heavy rotation during his night shipt I had out at the time..he died in that fire as he was hosting that show
And the fact that my bands have played overcrowded venues before,the worst was in my last gig with Saharra (I was basicly hired back on for that gig because I left after a major altercation with the drummer after we were dropped by MCA,but I digress),we opened for Dream Theater in a small club in Deer Park,Long Island.Dream Theater origionally were from the area,and their video for Pull Me Under was in heavy rotation on MTV and all the radio stations on Long Island at the time,which meant that the band had exploded locally from a local cult following to a rapidly accending nationao act.This gig was booked before the video hit so nobody knew that there would be a lind around the venue at 8 am the day of the show.The venue could hold only like 400 people tops...when they stopped letting people in (10 minutes before we went on)the head count was 834 yikes..I was basicly confined to the dressing room area,and the stage when we went on....
People were passing out in the crowd it was so packed....
I now think back to that fire in Warwick,a fire that night and there would have been 500 dead easily because there was only 3 ways out,the front entrence,the rear entrence,and the dressing room back door(which if there was a fire would have been useless because of all the obstacles in the way on stage,in a stampeed panic the first person tripping and falling and you have a mass of bodies blocking that door...

I have had a phobia of tightly packed venues since,and have always made sure that if tightly packed,I would compromise good viewing of the band if it meant I had easy access to an escape route

I remember this one very well. When I'd read about the one down in Brasil, the one Warick came to my mind.

Jan 27 13 05:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Dead account
Posts: 1,291
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


I saw this on the news this morning. I think it was 160 men and 130 women died while another 150 were injured. But I'm not as good at remembering things I heard rather than read so don't trust me on those figures. There was only one exit and so in the panic many people were trampled.

It's absolutely heartbreaking.
Jan 27 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
Posts: 32,233
Lodi, California, US


BodyArt13 wrote:

You are correct and I heard that too.  I heard from news that security guards thought people were trying to leave without paying and therefore prevented people from leaving. it's just terrible.

Having to pay to LEAVE the nightclub?

Jan 27 13 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lohkee
Posts: 11,950
Maricopa, Arizona, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:
I have had a phobia of tightly packed venues since,and have always made sure that if tightly packed,I would compromise good viewing of the band if it meant I had easy access to an escape route

I do that everywhere I go. If I cant sit by the door well, then, it's a deal breaker. Hell,  even my sushi bar knows to reserve the table next to the door when they know I'm coming in.

Paranoia? Perhaps. But most people in the field understand just how **fast** things can go south when least expected. Mere seconds are often the difference between a very painful death, and walking away completely unscathed. 200  panicking drunks between you and the nearest exit is **not** a good thing if something goes horribly wrong unexpectedly.

People just don't want to think about these kinds of things, and they laugh at people who do. I understand that. Paranoid, or smart? Hmmmmmmm


It's O.K., let 'em laugh Chris.

Jan 27 13 05:39 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,474
Laguna Beach, California, US


Accidental  Plateau wrote:

That was not the US.

Life is a lot "cheaper" outside the US. Like after-hours clubs in the 80s.

And when the police, fire or building's dept take enforcement action some people get pissed.

warwick was in the us.

Jan 27 13 05:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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SmileX Photography
Posts: 127
Wyandotte, Michigan, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:
Having to pay to LEAVE the nightclub?

Bar tabs maybe?

Jan 27 13 07:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Visual Serotonin
Posts: 5,134
Los Angeles, California, US


Pretty bad... video showing deads lying on the street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG77qZYyojI
Jan 27 13 07:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Chris Rifkin
Posts: 24,423
Tampa, Florida, US


GK photo wrote:
warwick was in the us.

And there are plenty of small clubs that could be death traps like this still here if a band overdraws unexpectedly...less likely now these days as there are way much fewer prospects of an incident like I was part of with Dream Theater on Long Island...but then again,many of the European bands book their tours 6 months in advance...a band like Volbeat is a perfect example of a band that exploded,but that happened in between tours and they were able to re book larger venues..
Let's say that band Amaranthe I posted down below...they tour with Kamelot or something for a theater tour(2000 seat or so)..Elize also sings for Kamelot in spots)...they decide to book a few 1 off solo shows in a smaller club...their video I posted goes viral while on tour and now there are 3000 people trying to get into one of these small 500 capacity places....

Again...this shit is http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.png....and I will bail on a show,even if I paid good $$ to get in already if @onditions get dangerously packed for my liking

Jan 27 13 08:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
Posts: 6,315
Madison, Wisconsin, US


BodyArt13 wrote:

You are correct and I heard that too.  I heard from news that security guards thought people were trying to leave without paying and therefore prevented people from leaving. it's just terrible.

Security guards can't stop people from leaving a burning building.

I'm waiting to hear from people that live in the south about what really happened. CNN makes shit up if they don't have the real story. And they make shit up even if they do.

My heart aches. This is horrible.

Jan 27 13 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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GK photo
Posts: 27,474
Laguna Beach, California, US


Chris Rifkin wrote:
Again...this shit is http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.png....and I will bail on a show,even if I paid good $$ to get in already if @onditions get dangerously packed for my liking

i don't blame you. a couple i know just went and saw a semi-benefit gig at a medium sized club last night featuring the blasters and x. they said the place was shoulder to shoulder.

these places all exceed the max occupancies regularly, and any local f.d. could shut most of these places down on bigger events.

i remember another incident in chicago (i think) a few years back, but i don't think that was a fire. i think it was a shooting that turned into a stampede.

regardless...pyrotechnics at small theaters/clubs is just fucking ridiculous. beyond stupid.

Jan 27 13 09:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Orca Bay Images wrote:

Having to pay to LEAVE the nightclub?

Most likely bar tabs

Jan 28 13 03:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

Security guards can't stop people from leaving a burning building.

I'm waiting to hear from people that live in the south about what really happened. CNN makes shit up if they don't have the real story. And they make shit up even if they do.

My heart aches. This is horrible.

If you read the link, guards thought that people were fleeing from a fight. They didn't know a fire had broken out.

Jan 28 13 03:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Cait Chan
Posts: 6,272
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


GK photo wrote:
how the fuck anyone allows bands to use pyrotechnics of ANY kind in a club setting is beyond me. plus it sounds like the place was packed way beyond legal capacity. greed and stupidity...a toxic brew that--unfortunately--never ceases to go away.

a lot of relatives are asking a lot of questions today.

i have kids of clubbing age, and i have insisted they need to check where the exits are when first entering any enclosed place.

very sad indeed.

Not only was the club supposedly at double capacity, their license had been expired since August....

Couple that with ( from what it says in the link) no lit exit signs... It just scares the shit out of me that I go to events ALOT with my friends, even just this past weekend where a club was so packed I got claustrophobic and wanted to leave. These young people put their trust into the promoter/club owners hands and never expect tragedy under the assumption that these people know what they're doing and so many times greed paired with stupidity takes over and you have places way over packed, no emergency plans, lax security. This all reminds me of what happened at Love Parade ( which I had planned on going to someday) in Germany as well. It isn't just clubs where gross negligence causes disaster.

Jan 28 13 03:48 am  Link  Quote 
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Becky-Marie
Posts: 265
Miami, Florida, US


Heartbreaking. sad
Jan 28 13 03:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Honey Stinger
Posts: 6,315
Madison, Wisconsin, US


Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

Security guards can't stop people from leaving a burning building.

I'm wrong. Apparently, they can. Good lord.

Jan 28 13 05:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Damon Strong
Posts: 1,832
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


This happens in Brazil and it's page 3 news.   If it happened in the U.S. the news would be rammed in our faces for weeks.
Jan 28 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Bella la Bell
Posts: 4,451
Kansas City, Missouri, US


BodyArt13 wrote:

You are correct and I heard that too.  I heard from news that security guards thought people were trying to leave without paying and therefore prevented people from leaving. it's just terrible.

To put it plainly.  That is fucked up.

Jan 28 13 11:35 am  Link  Quote 
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