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Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 745
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.
Jan 29 13 04:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Kent Art Photography
Posts: 2,649
Ashford, England, United Kingdom


I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

An avatar is a shop window, it has to grab the viewer's attention and encourage the viewer to click through to the portfolio.  An avatar which shows skin colour might not be an attention grabber.
Jan 29 13 04:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caroline Madison
Posts: 601
Paris, Île-de-France, France


'I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.'

+1




If you want to photograph a model, not sure only one single picture is relevant. You need to browse her portfolio just like I would look at a photographer's whole work. It makes sense.
Jan 29 13 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Anna Kl
Posts: 184
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


agreed with above - models want to put up great shots that they feel grab the attention of potentials to work with, whether that is BW or color
Jan 29 13 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
angel emily
Posts: 1,020
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should ...

Uh oh!

scary

In all reality, picking an engaging avatar is what's important, regardless if it's B&W or color, just make someone click on you -- someone will look at more than just the avatar before contacting to shoot anyway.

As an aside, a model could have a portfolio full of in-color shots, and still have none of those accurately represent her "true" skin color due to lighting, make-up, post work, etc.  It's good to have one natural shot, IMO, but it doesn't have to be the avatar.

If you're looking for a model based on skin tone, try the browse models feature looking for what you want.

Jan 29 13 05:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJScalzitti
Posts: 12,201
Atlanta, Georgia, US


So why have agencies like Ford, Elite, IMG and others used B&W for all these years...
Jan 29 13 05:47 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Bunny Bombshell
Posts: 11,752
Huntington, West Virginia, US


Caroline Madison wrote:
'I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.'

+1

I so lol'd

Jan 29 13 07:11 am  Link  Quote 
Model
J M Wills
Posts: 159
Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China


Kent Art Photography wrote:
I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

An avatar is a shop window, it has to grab the viewer's attention and encourage the viewer to click through to the portfolio.  An avatar which shows skin colour might not be an attention grabber.

Couldn't have put it better...

Jan 29 13 07:22 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Why wouldn't I want a photographer to click to view my whole port? Isn't the point of an avatar is to draw one in to the rest of the work?
Jan 29 13 07:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Evan Hiltunen
Posts: 3,089
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Question for the op:

Do you think portfolio images are superfluous and all that is needed is an avatar image?

If so, does this rule apply to photographers and models alike?
Jan 29 13 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


The point of the avi is to grab the attention of others be it photographers, models, MUA etc. black and white has nothing to do with anything. If you like the look of the model you should look at her whole port regardless. And just an FYI. It's not wise to tell us what we should and shouldn't do.

popcorn
Jan 29 13 07:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 745
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.
Jan 29 13 07:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,185
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

You might need to be more thorough then, as AJ said, the top modeling agencies in the world use often use black and white photos.

Jan 29 13 07:54 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,692
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

'Many photographers don't shoot black and white...'

Many do. (what this has to do with anything is beyond me...)

'I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process...'

So you would decide to hire a model based on a single photo...?

Interesting vetting process.

And it does beg the question... Why does your portfolio have more than picture?

Jan 29 13 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Evan Hiltunen
Posts: 3,089
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

This site, then, should have a box for the model to check if they are tan or not tan. It would make your search much quicker.

Are there other criteria this site, or models, can meet so you don't have to look at portfolios?

Jan 29 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photo212grapher
Posts: 1,538
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

Use the browse feature that allows selection by skin color, including "tanned"

Realize that a tanned avatar pic may be from a previous summer and the tan has faded.

Ever hear the expression, "Don't judge a book by its cover"?

Jan 29 13 08:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


e m i l y wrote:

Uh oh!

scary

In all reality, picking an engaging avatar is what's important, regardless if it's B&W or color, just make someone click on you -- someone will look at more than just the avatar before contacting to shoot anyway.

As an aside, a model could have a portfolio full of in-color shots, and still have none of those accurately represent her "true" skin color due to lighting, make-up, post work, etc.  It's good to have one natural shot, IMO, but it doesn't have to be the avatar.

If you're looking for a model based on skin tone, try the browse models feature looking for what you want.

Yuuuup!
Ya know Miss Emily... you're pretty smart! Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? tongue

Jan 29 13 08:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 745
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.
Jan 29 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,263
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Kent Art Photography wrote:
I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

An avatar is a shop window, it has to grab the viewer's attention and encourage the viewer to click through to the portfolio.  An avatar which shows skin colour might not be an attention grabber.

Can't argue with any of that...

Jan 29 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Evan Hiltunen
Posts: 3,089
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

Ahhh, that makes sense.

So, models should have a colour shot that is no older than 2 weeks. Also, we should now have a criteria box that says, "Tanned; not faded".

Jan 29 13 08:07 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lane Elizabeth
Posts: 155
Dallas, Texas, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to llamas to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

And when you start up your own llama networking site, you are more than welcome to tell everyone how they should do things....

Jan 29 13 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

I wish "guys with cameras" would just put that up as their avi so it would be easier and faster in my searching for photographers.

Just take the 2.5 seconds it takes to look at a models port. Jesus.

Jan 29 13 08:11 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shon D.- Homme
Posts: 3,185
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

We seem to have the opposite problem. I live on the beach, and I do not like tans, so I seek out pale models. Anyway, a tan isn't hard to do in Photoshop or even by a skilled makeup artist.

Either way, just take the two extra clicks to go through the model's portfolio.

Jan 29 13 08:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
kane
Posts: 1,536
Biarritz, Aquitaine, France


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

Or how about you do whatever you want and let other people do what they what to without preaching at them from your high horse (which should probably be your avatar btw).

Jan 29 13 08:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Foto Priganica
Posts: 50
Gandia, Valencia, Spain


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

....sounds lazy and quite silly to me Jim ... isn't here on MM an advance option to browse models by colour skin as well (tanned included) or is that to many clicks away as well?

Jan 29 13 08:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

Why would you use "tanned" as a search criteria when a model can get a tan prior to a shoot that requires it in about half an hour? Would you do a search and only look for models who had a certain style of makeup application or manicure...and pass over the rest? Those things can all easily be changed in a very short amount of time.

And how do you know the "tan" you're seeing isn't done in post. It's very common and very easy to do.

Jan 29 13 08:20 am  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,784
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

Same thing might be said about models searching for photographer when they don't have an actual picture of their work as their avatar.

It works both ways.

Pot meet kettle.

Jan 29 13 08:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,314
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

It's all the messaging that slows it down for me. When is this site going to add a shopping cart to put the models in when you want to order one?

Jan 29 13 08:32 am  Link  Quote 
Model
a raw muse
Posts: 2,941
Brooklyn, New York, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:

It's all the messaging that slows it down for me. When is this site going to add a shopping cart to put the models in when you want to order one?

Aaaand I'm on the floor.

Jan 29 13 09:11 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

Lol

+1

That camera avatar really makes me want to bring him some more inanimate objects for him to photograph.

Jan 29 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
IMAK Photo
Posts: 515
Eureka, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

I'm glad to have finally met the most important person on MM. It's really a shame that there are models out there who are wasting so much of your valuable time. It's so thoughtful of you to try and educate them though.

Jan 29 13 09:38 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

Genius!!

neutral

Or.... the photographer could actually take a few seconds to look at the portfolio and decide based on that.

Of course, if you prefer to shoot only Caucasian or Black or Asian models then you can also do a search to exclude the groups you don't wish to shoot.



Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jan 29 13 09:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Jojo West wrote:
That camera avatar really makes me want to bring him some more inanimate objects for him to photograph.

I think it means he has a camera and wants you to know it.... wink





Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jan 29 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photos 4 The Memories
Posts: 1,275
Kewaskum, Wisconsin, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

An avatar is a shop window, it has to grab the viewer's attention and encourage the viewer to click through to the portfolio.  An avatar which shows skin colour might not be an attention grabber.

Now all we need is a model doing a post in the photography forum on how they will not do a shoot with anyone photographer with a camera for a aviator.
I double dare any model too do that.

Jan 29 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Microwave Photo
Posts: 183
Freeland, Michigan, US


And photographers should use a photo of themselves instead of some random model they've previously photographed?
Jan 29 13 09:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6,745
Gent, East Flanders, Belgium


lol this OP is so much fun

(the sequel: http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=877839)
Jan 29 13 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
E Thompson Photography
Posts: 167
Hyattsville, Maryland, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

You know you can give a model a tan in post processing. That may be a good solution to your "tan" dilemma or you could use "model of color".

Jan 29 13 10:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DOUGLASFOTOS
Posts: 7,972
Los Angeles, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

Who left you the key's to MM?

Jan 29 13 10:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,618
Los Angeles, California, US


NO.
Jan 29 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ken Marcus Studios
Posts: 8,416
Los Angeles, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

Wow . . . . between this and your opinion on models breast augmentations, is there anything else the modeling world should do to make you happy?

Jan 29 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
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