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Photographer
R Byron Johnson
Posts: 767
Norman, Oklahoma, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

How is that everyone else's problem?

And seriously, how many photographers really NEVER shoot black and white?  Seems to be very popular to me.

Apr 05 13 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


R Byron Johnson wrote:

How is that everyone else's problem?

And seriously, how many photographers really NEVER shoot black and white?  Seems to be very popular to me.

I don't know how many but you can be sure it's a lot. A colour avatar covers all bases better than a b/w image.

Apr 05 13 10:41 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Isis22
Posts: 2,403
Muncie, Indiana, US


My avatar is in color...

Bwahahaha
Apr 05 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The F-Stop
Posts: 1,436
New York, New York, US


Kent Art Photography wrote:
I'm not sure a photographer with a picture of a camera as his own avatar shoud be lecturing models on their avatars.

An avatar is a shop window, it has to grab the viewer's attention and encourage the viewer to click through to the portfolio.  An avatar which shows skin colour might not be an attention grabber.

hahahahaha and it's a cheap street 35mm besides.. not even a pro quality machine.

ummm using that camera?... makes me wonder what B&Ws you're producing as a comparrison?

As said.. the front page is the window to attract others to look inside for more. 

2ยข no change!

Apr 07 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,407
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
llamas are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly.

How does one go about damaging their skin 'properly'?   Do tell...

Apr 07 13 11:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Big A-Larger Than Life
Posts: 33,407
The Woodlands, Texas, US


Revenge Photography wrote:

That's a bit harsh don't you think?

Surely there are a few models on here looking for updated photo's of their camera.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

Apr 07 13 11:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Sedition
Posts: 273
Buffalo, New York, US


Isis22 wrote:
My avatar is in color...

Bwahahaha

This made my day!

Apr 08 13 12:01 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Teila K Day Photography
Posts: 1,929
Richmond, Indiana, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

What's the big deal? You can go and get a tan using sunbeds or a spray tan.

The "Big deal" is that many models (and photographers) think that spray tans are typically disgusting and horrible looking, especially if you live in an area where you regularly see naturally tanned bodies most of the year (Florida beaches).

The "Big deal" is also that many models (and photographers) have seen the results of habitual tanning and how it leaves a woman's skin looking weathered and aged usually beyond her years.

The "Big deal" is that many models don't feel as if they have to do anything to please you specifically.  Tan for you?  Why?  Why in the world would a smart woman lay under tanning lamps and ruin her skin and increase her chance for cancer just because you like tanned bodies?

How about you pay for what you want to see.  That means pay for a plane ticket in order to get the type of model you want in front of your camera.  Otherwise, just take what you can get and quit looking the gift horse dead in the mouth.

Apr 13 13 02:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Teila K Day Photography wrote:

The "Big deal" is that many models (and photographers) think that spray tans are typically disgusting and horrible looking, especially if you live in an area where you regularly see naturally tanned bodies most of the year (Florida beaches).

The "Big deal" is also that many models (and photographers) have seen the results of habitual tanning and how it leaves a woman's skin looking weathered and aged usually beyond her years.

The "Big deal" is that many models don't feel as if they have to do anything to please you specifically.  Tan for you?  Why?  Why in the world would a smart woman lay under tanning lamps and ruin her skin and increase her chance for cancer just because you like tanned bodies?

How about you pay for what you want to see.  That means pay for a plane ticket in order to get the type of model you want in front of your camera.  Otherwise, just take what you can get and quit looking the gift horse dead in the mouth.

All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

Apr 13 13 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,053
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:

All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

So you're advocating that someone "look healthy"...which is YOUR idea of what healthy looks like, not what anyone else may or may not want the model to look like (ie: a lot of people like tan, a lot of people DONT like tan) rather than actually BE healthy? Because tans are not actually healthy.

Apr 13 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jason Haven
Posts: 38,287
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

Please don't give incorrect medical advice on MM.

Apr 13 13 03:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julian W I L D E
Posts: 1,801
Los Angeles, California, US


Just as importantly... studies show that people are many more times inclined to REMEMBER an image if it's in Color rather than Black and White.  Just sayin'. ;-)

-JULIAN
Apr 13 13 03:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Alabaster Crowley
Posts: 7,633
Tucson, Arizona, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

What?

Apr 13 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
- Aina -
Posts: 731
Redlands, California, US


Besides an obnoxious comment about "looking" healthy apparently equaling actually being healthy (looking, being a very subjective word), I'm pleasantly surprised this thread is still jumping.
Apr 13 13 04:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,184
Columbus, Ohio, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just a quick message to models to say they should use a colour shot on their profile main image because it allows the photographer to see the skin colour without viewing the whole portfolio. Thanks.

WTF?

No....just no.

Apr 13 13 04:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
T A Y L O R
Posts: 2,977
Austin, Texas, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

This is the funniest thing I've read on MM in weeks. I am so glad we revived this thread.

Apr 13 13 04:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

All sounds a bit harsh. A nice tan looks healthy and if you look healthy you feel healthy. And the results show in the pictures. So get tanning folks!

I'm a skincare professional.

You're WRONG.

Apr 14 13 07:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lora Weaver
Posts: 3,541
Alexandria, Virginia, US


What kind of photographer advocates tanning?

Unless you're shooting body builders.
Apr 14 13 07:13 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


IMAK Photo wrote:

I'm glad to have finally met the most important person on MM. It's really a shame that there are models out there who are wasting so much of your valuable time. It's so thoughtful of you to try and educate them though.

*snort*

No, really. I'm dying over here. xD

Apr 14 13 07:16 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Thanks for reviving this thread. I now see a lot more models using a colour avatar instead of monochrome and this is aiding me no end in my search for tanned models. Thanks to those who made the effort to change.

XDDDDDDDDD

Apr 14 13 07:28 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Olga Matviyenkoski wrote:

This is racist against pale people and Eastern Europeans

Racist against those of Celtic origin, like me.

*has an SPF of 3*

Apr 14 13 07:29 am  Link  Quote 
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Scarlett de la Calle
Posts: 414
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


Jim McSmith wrote:
Many photographers don't shoot black and white. When searching profiles I look for tanned models but if the avatar is in b/w I then need to view the whole portfolio which wastes time and slows down the search process.

I advise you look further anyway. I am olive in skin tone but I have portfolio pictures that make me look pale. Why because the photographer wanted that look. I don't go to photographers and tell them how to post edit their photos. Also isn't it a waste of the models time when she is then contacted by you to see a camera as an avatar and have to go into your portfolio to see your images.

Sorry this just screams lazy.

Apr 14 13 04:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
ebbfauna
Posts: 44
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Oh, I agree, everyone should tan. Especially models.
I mean, it's not like they make their livelihood off their physical appearance, so why worry about melanoma, early aging & wrinkling? You definitely know what you're talking about. Unfortunately for me, I'm pale as sin and allergic to the sun so cannot embellish my soft, healthy, milky skin with damaging rays. DARN!
Apr 14 13 04:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


ebbfauna wrote:
Oh, I agree, everyone should tan. Especially models.
I mean, it's not like they make their livelihood off their physical appearance, so why worry about melanoma, early aging & wrinkling? You definitely know what you're talking about. Unfortunately for me, I'm pale as sin and allergic to the sun so cannot embellish my soft, healthy, milky skin with damaging rays. DARN!

Apparently tans don't matter as much as the  OP claims; after I said I have an SPF of 3 (and yes, I'm also allergic to the sun, and you can literally see my bones through my skin in some areas), he contacted me via PM, under the impression that I wanted to work with him. xD

Apr 15 13 12:51 am  Link  Quote 
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Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,203
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Big A-Larger Than Life wrote:
How does one go about damaging their skin 'properly'?   Do tell...

a minimum of 30 minutes a day in front of a vintage sun lamp (the kind they banned because of the obscenely high risk of skin cancer), dripping with tanning oil and chain smoking cigars.

http://dermatologistsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/UV-photo-AAD.jpg

Apr 15 13 01:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Michael Broughton wrote:

a minimum of 30 minutes a day in front of a vintage sun lamp (the kind they banned because of the obscenely high risk of skin cancer), dripping with tanning oil and chain smoking cigars.

http://dermatologistsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/UV-photo-AAD.jpg

Those things are terrifying--if you think what you see here is bad, try looking into one in real life--it shows areas that will wrinkle and sag and everything!! I take particularly good care of my skin, and always have, but when I looked into one of these when I was in school, I saw what just a few weeks total of wanton sun-worshiping in my youth had done to my future... I cried.

Apr 15 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,342
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Jim McSmith wrote:
. When searching profiles I look for tanned models

Tanned models in the UK ! if you like fake patchy tans, tanning bed lobsters or the Essex orange spray tan.

Alternatively use a 81EF filter.

Apr 15 13 02:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachael Bueckert
Posts: 1,121
Red Deer, Alberta, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:
Models are tanning less these days than they once did. Those in colder environments are typically very pale unless they make efforts to tan properly. If they had a colour shot on the avatar that would speed up the search a bit. B/W doesn't help if you're a colour shooter seeking a tanned model.

Perhaps all models are not choosing their avatar with you in mind... Perhaps they choose their avatar to reach the most possible people and lure them in...

Perhaps you should use the advanced search engine where you can choose skin color...

Perhaps you shouldn't talk about how others choose their avatar to make it more concomitant for you, when your avatar is a snapshot of your camera. Now I have to begrudgingly click on your profile to see what your photography skills look like.

But this has already been said so my guess is that your not even reading the replys...

Apr 15 13 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Michael Broughton wrote:

a minimum of 30 minutes a day in front of a vintage sun lamp (the kind they banned because of the obscenely high risk of skin cancer), dripping with tanning oil and chain smoking cigars.

http://dermatologistsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/UV-photo-AAD.jpg

One word. Photoshop!

Apr 19 13 06:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,053
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:
One word. Photoshop!

Uhm. No.

Try actually reading the caption, ultraviolet light shows freckles and other skin damage that is not ordinarily as visible in normal lighting. That's not photoshop, that's a woman with skin damage under UV lighting.

This is me in normal lighting: http://25.media.tumblr.com/a6e148f6a9d7afb4a5486c0eeb311e73/tumblr_mjxmh7B5F71qbkv4co1_500.jpg

This is me under a UV light: http://24.media.tumblr.com/2080583afef2beb04dfd68a169abbd73/tumblr_mhdpxuWLbd1qbkv4co1_1280.jpg

Theres a huge difference in the amount of freckles that show in everyday lighting.

Apr 19 13 07:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
The Original Sin
Posts: 13,894
Louisville, Kentucky, US


I'm primarily a nude llama.  Most of my port is nude.  I picked the nicest clothed shot I currently have.  If a photographer can't be bothered to look at my portfolio because my avi is B
Apr 19 13 07:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,742
State College, Pennsylvania, US


OMG, I can't believe this cocked-hat-of-a-thread is still going...

O_o
Apr 19 13 07:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Laura UnBound wrote:

Uhm. No.

Try actually reading the caption, ultraviolet light shows freckles and other skin damage that is not ordinarily as visible in normal lighting. That's not photoshop, that's a woman with skin damage under UV lighting.



Theres a huge difference in the amount of freckles that show in everyday lighting.

No, I meant you could take it out with Photoshop. Using the clone tool.

Apr 19 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Laura UnBound
Posts: 27,053
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:

No, I meant you could take it out with Photoshop. Using the clone tool.

Sure.


Or you could not cause yourself skin damage that needs to be photoshopped in the first place, and more importantly,... avoid skin damage.

Apr 19 13 09:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


druidess  wrote:

LET THE MAN HAVE A CAMERA IN HIS AVI THEN...if he thinks thats the best move then so be it.

however, I personally would never choose to view more photos of someone with a weird avi like that.

Look, the reason I have a camera as an avatar is simples. It's so that girls can see at first glance I have professional equipment and will therefore be able to render quality results in-line with their expectations of a serious amateur photographer.

Apr 20 13 06:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
salvatori.
Posts: 3,742
State College, Pennsylvania, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Look, the reason I have a camera as an avatar is simples. It's so that girls can see at first glance I have professional equipment and will therefore be able to render quality results in-line with their expectations of a serious amateur photographer.

This reply is as illogical as the original post is stupid.

Your 'philosophy' and rationale are completely ludicrous. Please, just stop. posting. Please.

Apr 20 13 07:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Joseph William
Posts: 1,993
Chicago, Illinois, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

Look, the reason I have a camera as an avatar is simples. It's so that girls can see at first glance I have professional equipment and will therefore be able to render quality results in-line with their expectations of a serious amateur photographer.

I am sorry to feed this thread but...

What model is going to see a camera that looks three times as old as they are and think "oh this is a professional" even if it was a hasselblad that went to the moon? 

I do think you are trolling, but some how I keep reading this thread... Must be something wrong with me.

Apr 20 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kelleth
Posts: 2,509
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:
Look, the reason I have a camera as an avatar is simples. It's so that girls can see at first glance I have professional equipment and will therefore be able to render quality results in-line with their expectations of a serious amateur photographer.

Having professional equipment has little to do with being able to render quality results. Talent, on the other hand, does.

Apr 20 13 08:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jim McSmith
Posts: 757
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Kelleth wrote:
Having professional equipment has little to do with being able to render quality results. Talent, on the other hand, does.

So what you're saying, in your esteemed opinion, is that most photographers on MM are GWCs? Because talent doesn't grow on trees and the quality of equipment wont impact on results?

Apr 20 13 09:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Kelleth
Posts: 2,509
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:

So what you're saying, in your esteemed opinion, is that most photographers on MM are GWCs? Because talent doesn't grow on trees and the quality of equipment wont impact on results?

Of course the quality of equipment impacts on your work.

But i can't tell you how many photographers I know who have invested tens of thousands of dollars in equipment and take absolutely awful photographs because they don't know how to use it and just don't have an eye for it. They think their equipment will do all the work for them. On the flipside, I also know several professionals who work with a minimal amount of equipment that is not necessarily top of the line (i'm talking still professional but they make do with one camera, one lens both of which are not particularly expensive) and create amazing work. Ditto photographers who shoot mostly film on old point and shoot cameras and yet do incredible work. i see it all the time. Money invested in equipment doesn't have a direct correlation with quality of images necessarily.

Apr 20 13 09:21 am  Link  Quote 
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