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E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

You're not the expert know all of what every photographer wants. So don't speak for them. If you want a tan model without fake boobs, post a damn casting call for it.

Jan 29 13 10:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Kade Massey
Posts: 52
San Diego, California, US


Azimuth Arts wrote:

Seriously just stop telling models what to do.  This is the second thread I've seen you start today trying to tell models what to do. 

You are not the only photographer on here.  And not all models have the same goals as you.

I personally don't care for most body modifications, from piercings to tattoos and of course any plastic surgery.  But I am smart enough to know that there are enough people who do appreciate those things, either as the person getting them, or the person taking the picture, that its none of my business to tell them.

If a model asks me, "would you still shoot me if I....." I will tell her, but other than that its none of my business, and none of yours.

Just my $0.02

Preach! Body modifications are a art in its own, including silicone boob jobs. I know several stunningly beautiful women who have them and they aren't even noticeably big! Some get it just to go up a size or two and it overall improves their look and physique! It's really up to the model what they do with their body, and if they rock in then you should be all for it!

Jan 29 13 10:26 am  Link  Quote 
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MaxImage
Posts: 16
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

"Required" by who?

Jan 29 13 10:26 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6,762
Gent, East Flanders, Belgium


salvatori. wrote:
[...]
Just saw that you once started a thread wondering which model in your portfolio would someone like to date!?
Holy shit...

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?threa … 442&page=1 for reference

Jan 29 13 10:28 am  Link  Quote 
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- Aina -
Posts: 731
Redlands, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

What's "expected" of us? Hey, if you don't want breast implants, say so. The rest of society can individually determine whether or not they want boobies or not. What if a model got a breast reduction? Is she crossed off the list because she wants to have smaller tits and didn't fit your "expectations"? Dude....

Jan 29 13 10:28 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,819
Boston, Massachusetts, US


salvatori. wrote:
[...]
Just saw that you once started a thread wondering which model in your portfolio would someone like to date!?
Holy shit...

Classy, homz

Jan 29 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Jim McSmith
Posts: 749
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


Samantha Emme wrote:

You're not the expert know all of what every photographer wants. So don't speak for them. If you want a tan model without fake boobs, post a damn casting call for it.

None of us are experts it's about sharing opinions and then arriving at consensus.

Jan 29 13 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

What, do you think your better than us? That we are stupid? That because you hold a camera your a god to models.

I don't think so.

Jan 29 13 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
Model
E e v a
Posts: 1,724
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

None of us are experts it's about sharing opinions and then arriving at consensus.

No, you weren't giving an opinion. You were dictating rules. And obviously the consensus is against you. The hole is pretty deep. Stop digging.

Jan 29 13 10:33 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,508
Los Angeles, California, US


How much are you willing to pay us to listen to you?

Is there a multi-million dollar job in this that we can get if we do as you say and don't get implants? Just trying to figure out what the reward is and if it's worth it.
Jan 29 13 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,508
Los Angeles, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

None of us are experts it's about sharing opinions and then arriving at consensus.

I'm going to say that if you read all the responses, you'll see the consensus is to work with whoever you want, don't work with people you don't want to, and stop telling models what to do.

Pretty simple.

Jan 29 13 10:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Jim McSmith
Posts: 749
Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom


K I C K H A M wrote:

I'm going to say that if you read all the responses, you'll see the consensus is to work with whoever you want, don't work with people you don't want to, and stop telling models what to do.

Pretty simple.

I'm not telling them what to do. Just sharing ideas. Boo, hoo!

Jan 29 13 10:40 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RBM Photo
Posts: 557
Bellbrook, Ohio, US


Paige Morgan wrote:
Photographers! No paternalistic rants in the model forum about how your personal preference should be universal truth.

Thanks!

+10 million

This should be stickied at the top of every forum on MM, not just the model forum.

Jan 29 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
Model
JessieLeigh
Posts: 2,001
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

Wow you are mighty presumptuous.

Until we have reached some sort of agreement where you are paying me, you do not get to say what is required of me.

Jan 29 13 10:42 am  Link  Quote 
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Justin Foto
Posts: 3,594
Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland


Jim McSmith wrote:

None of us are experts it's about sharing opinions and then arriving at consensus.

Consensus on an opinion? You have your opinion, I have mine. They're not the same: End of story.

Jan 29 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


Thank god for this man and his teachings. We models are such simple fools who need to be dictated to by mediocre photographers if we are to ever reach our potential. What would we do without him?!?
Jan 29 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
Model
K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,508
Los Angeles, California, US


Jim McSmith wrote:

I'm not telling them what to do. Just sharing ideas. Boo, hoo!

"No Boob Jobs!"

That's sharing an idea?

If I say, "You're trying to lose weight, so maybe eating cookies is a bad idea," that's sharing an idea.

If I say, "Don't eat that cookie," that is telling someone what to do.

Jan 29 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,419
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Azimuth Arts wrote:
Seriously just stop telling models what to do.  This is the second thread I've seen you start today trying to tell models what to do. 

You are not the only photographer on here.  And not all models have the same goals as you.

I personally don't care for most body modifications, from piercings to tattoos and of course any plastic surgery.  But I am smart enough to know that there are enough people who do appreciate those things, either as the person getting them, or the person taking the picture, that its none of my business to tell them.

If a model asks me, "would you still shoot me if I....." I will tell her, but other than that its none of my business, and none of yours.

Just my $0.02
Kade Massey wrote:
Preach! Body modifications are a art in its own, including silicone boob jobs. I know several stunningly beautiful women who have them and they aren't even noticeably big! Some get it just to go up a size or two and it overall improves their look and physique! It's really up to the model what they do with their body, and if they rock in then you should be all for it!

READ!!!

I did not preach.  I simply said I do not care for them but I would never do what the OP did.

You can no more tell ME what I should like or not like than I can tell YOU what you should like or not like.  Go ahead get tats and piercings - I don't care either way what you do to your body.

Jan 29 13 10:44 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,508
Los Angeles, California, US


Christinare wrote:
Thank god for this man and his teachings. We models are such simple fools who need to be dictated to by mediocre photographers if we are to ever reach our potential. What would we do without him?!?

WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE BOOB JOBS!

Maybe even twice.....

Jan 29 13 10:45 am  Link  Quote 
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Justin Foto
Posts: 3,594
Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland


K I C K H A M wrote:

WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE BOOB JOBS!

Maybe even twice.....

I shall rush out for mine henceforth!

Jan 29 13 10:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Damianne
Posts: 15,973
Austin, Texas, US


Oh, well YOU won't work with models with boob jobs, let's all stop everything.


roll
Jan 29 13 10:47 am  Link  Quote 
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Kade Massey
Posts: 52
San Diego, California, US


Azimuth Arts wrote:

READ!!!

I did not preach.  I simply said I do not care for them but I would never do what the OP did.

You can no more tell ME what I should like or not like than I can tell YOU what you should like or not like.  Go ahead get tats and piercings - I don't care either way what you do to your body.

I was agreeing with you. My statement was directed towards OP. Sorry if I made it seem like it was directed to you

Jan 29 13 10:48 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


K I C K H A M wrote:

WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE BOOB JOBS!

Maybe even twice.....

Exactly! I could have ended up walking around with three sets of boobs were it not for him! I just love boobs so much!

Jan 29 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
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DivaEroticus
Posts: 14,329
Fayetteville, Arkansas, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
Just some quick advice to models with the flatter chest, please don't consider getting a boob job because they just don't work and I wont work with models who have had this modification done. I seek beauty in nature and silicone is an artificial substance not ordinarily to be found within the human body. Thank you!

Post in critique and I'll let you know whether it matters that my boobs are real.

Jan 29 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,040
Olney, Maryland, US


Jojo West wrote:
Wait...he's giving more advice in other forum posts? *Starts searching frantically* smile

Yes, and on his profile he requires models to give him good references.

Jan 29 13 10:49 am  Link  Quote 
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Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


Mark Salo wrote:

Yes, and on his profile he requires models to give him good references.

I saw that too SMDH

Jan 29 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
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K I C K H A M
Posts: 14,508
Los Angeles, California, US


Christinare wrote:

Exactly! I could have ended up walking around with three sets of boobs were it not for him! I just love boobs so much!

I'm glad he caught us in time. sad

Jan 29 13 10:56 am  Link  Quote 
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Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,428
Cleveland, Ohio, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
So, your first thread was "Models: No B&W Images (for your avatar). Now you're telling models to not get implants.

How about this...

"Arrogant and Bored Photographers: Keep it to your fucking self."

LMAO   +1

Jan 29 13 10:57 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,428
Cleveland, Ohio, US


bump
Jan 29 13 10:58 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Christinare
Posts: 116
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


Jhono Bashian wrote:
bump

Why???

Jan 29 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Sophia Be
Posts: 6,347
Portland, Oregon, US


Hey Jim, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you have never carried a baby to term, breastfed a baby, and do not have breasts of your own, so you really have no idea what kind of toll age and motherhood takes on a woman's body. You should keep your opinion to your profile.
Jan 29 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
Posts: 35,819
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.
JessieLeigh wrote:
....  Until we have reached some sort of agreement where you are paying me, you do not get to say what is required of me.

Yeah, what Jessie said.

Jan 29 13 11:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,212
Salem, Oregon, US


to me a more relevant issue is whether the mayhem browse should allow one to choose between natural and enhanced. not to mention tattoos (but is it enough to just say yes or no?), piercings, etc. then people like the OP could steer clear of the models they say they do not want.

to be fair, though, should photographer then have to declare "crop vs. full-frame" or rebel vs. 5D MKIII or home vs. studio or GWC vs. perv?

well, one could imagine the browse having a lot more options.
Jan 29 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,419
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Kade Massey wrote:
I was agreeing with you. My statement was directed towards OP. Sorry if I made it seem like it was directed to you

No problem.  Since my comment was the only one that showed in your post I thought it was to me.  I would hate for anyone to think I shared the OP's opinion.

Jan 29 13 11:01 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,212
Salem, Oregon, US


i think it's fine for him to not want to shoot enhanced models. we all have our own particular tastes. for my part i like the way natural breasts hang/jiggle. i've seen enhanced ones that point straight out at all times (locked down tight). but to start a thread about that in the model forum is really not such a good idea. and it's never a good idea to dictate how others should behave. just state your own personal preference if you care to.

Azimuth Arts wrote:
I would hate for anyone to think I shared the OP's opinion.

Jan 29 13 11:04 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Axioma
Posts: 6,762
Gent, East Flanders, Belgium


I say it's time for gifs!

Boobs smile

http://uploaded.interestingnonetheless.net/DrNick/even-bouncing-boobs.gif
Jan 29 13 11:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MCPHOTO
Posts: 730
Duvall, Washington, US


To know what is required of them? Really you got to be kidding me. Models can get implants tattoos or anything else they want. You have say who you hire, but no say in what a model decides to do.

Jim McSmith wrote:
C'mon folks. It's good for photographers to be more interactive with models on the forums so they know what's required of them.

Jan 29 13 11:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,212
Salem, Oregon, US


not completely true. especially if a photographer is paying sometimes a model will do their nails or personal grooming in a certain way. it's up to each model is the thing.

MCPHOTO wrote:
You have say who you hire, but no say in what a model decides to do.

Jan 29 13 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 763
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


K I C K H A M wrote:

WE WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE BOOB JOBS!

Maybe even twice.....

Yes, a second pair of boobs on the back would be nice. big_smile

Jan 29 13 11:06 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Lily Darling
Posts: 1,299
Lansing, Michigan, US


Axioma wrote:
I say it's time for these:

Boobs smile

http://uploaded.interestingnonetheless.net/DrNick/even-bouncing-boobs.gif

Holy bewbs!

Jan 29 13 11:07 am  Link  Quote 
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