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Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


Hey Guys, I'm an agency represented actress/model but the photos in my port aren't that great as of yet hmm   I've been practicing my posing and modeling lots, as well as lost quite a bit of weight,  but currently what I have to "show for myself" isn't anything most photographers find worth shooting.

Anyone have some suggestions on how to get some good test photos done? I just need that one photographer to take the leap of faith hah so I can get some portfolio worthy pics.


Thanks guys!!
Jan 29 13 11:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 19,066
Chicago, Illinois, US


Madison you are a agency llama.   Rather then look for tests here you're agency should arrange them.   You are under 18 and some here won't want to risk a shoot with you even with parents involved but agency signed commercial and fashion llamas need to test with shooters that are working with talent in their area.   Check out local publications and see who's doing them.   Ask other llamas.   Hit the industry meet-ups.   Start with your agent though.
Jan 29 13 11:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPV Photo
Posts: 768
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


What am I? Chopped liver? wink
Jan 29 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


If your agency can't find you photographers to test with for free then they're probably not a very good agency.

Failing that, a shocking thought I know.... but you could offer to pay!! big_smile

You'd be surprised how many pretty decent photographers will happily do a 2 or 3 hour shoot and throw in a handful of retouched images for as little as $100 these days....






Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com
Jan 29 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DennisRoliffPhotography
Posts: 1,928
Akron, Ohio, US


Have your agency arrange some tests with photographers on their list.
Jan 29 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


SPV Photo wrote:
What am I? Chopped liver? wink

Haha! Not at all,  can't wait for our shoot smile!

Jan 29 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,643
Los Angeles, California, US


Maddison, Ive seen some of the recent stuff youve done including with Everette, Will your agency not accept any of that work? Theres some solid work there.

If you're looking to expand, just ask photographers. The worst thing that will happen is they say no, or not till your 18. Boo. Then youll know and can move on to the next one.
Jan 29 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


Jordan Bunniie wrote:
Maddison, Ive seen some of the recent stuff youve done including with Everette, Will your agency not accept any of that work? Theres some solid work there.

If you're looking to expand, just ask photographers. The worst thing that will happen is they say no, or not till your 18. Boo. Then youll know and can move on to the next one.

Everette doesn't really give you the photos back, so even though they're published you don't get a tear sheet or anything. Oh well it still looks good on the resume!

Jan 29 13 11:50 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jordan Bunniie
Posts: 1,643
Los Angeles, California, US


Madison P Cook wrote:

Everette doesn't really give you the photos back, so even though they're published you don't get a tear sheet or anything. Oh well it still looks good on the resume!

http://www.palmspringslife.com/Palm-Spr … t-in-Show/  Sure you can wink

Jan 29 13 12:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


Jordan Bunniie wrote:

http://www.palmspringslife.com/Palm-Spr … t-in-Show/  Sure you can wink

Thanks Jordan,

unfortunately my agency can use that image as it's web size and the photo itself doesn't show too well.  But thank you!! smile

Jan 29 13 02:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,949
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


First-use your agency resources to book shoot with the right photographers and get solid advice on what photographs will sell you best.

Second-understand that it would be an excellent investment to shoot with the best photographers in your area.  Not only will you get great industry photos, but you also use their resources to network and get into paid work.
Jan 29 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photo212grapher
Posts: 1,540
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
--snip--
but the photos in my port aren't that great as of yet hmm   
--snip--

Sure glad my work is not in your portfolio. You might not have meant it, but you just slammed those photographers who took the pics in your portfolio.  You have some tear sheets, so others beyond the photographer considered them worthy. 

and you'll want more than one photographer to build a worthy portfolio. Showing you work with several different photographers is best. Otherwise, you appear exclusive to that photographer, or only able to work with that one.

Jan 29 13 07:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Aaron Lewis Photography
Posts: 5,083
Catskill, New York, US


DennisRoliffPhotography wrote:
Have your agency arrange some tests with photographers on their list.

This, that's what agencies do, or at least that what I thought.

Jan 29 13 07:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,104
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Try TF and pose like a red carpet celebrity.

It often times would work...

.
Jan 30 13 04:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Drew Smith Photography
Posts: 5,209
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


SPV Photo wrote:
What am I? Chopped liver? wink

LOL - Spivington - what are you playing at - she's beautiful! smile

Jan 30 13 04:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,140
Orlando, Florida, US


photo212grapher wrote:
Sure glad my work is not in your portfolio. You might not have meant it, but you just slammed those photographers who took the pics in your portfolio.  You have some tear sheets, so others beyond the photographer considered them worthy. 

and you'll want more than one photographer to build a worthy portfolio. Showing you work with several different photographers is best. Otherwise, you appear exclusive to that photographer, or only able to work with that one.

What she meant is that they might not be up to agency standards. If she is a commercial model she  should want good commercial  work or if she is fashion model she should want  good fashion work not just settle for average.  This is not a critique but I sort of agree  with they are not. Photographers should not be so emotional about their work just because they might think is amazing does not mean it actually is.

Jan 30 13 05:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marc Damon
Posts: 6,562
Biloxi, Mississippi, US


DennisRoliffPhotography wrote:
Have your agency arrange some tests with photographers on their list.

+1

Jan 30 13 06:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,313
Orlando, Florida, US


Ask them?
Jan 30 13 06:28 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carl Blum Photography
Posts: 544
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:
Ask them?

I get asked all the time, I say yes, maybe 75% of the time depending on the model.
Usually happens thru friends of friends on the Faceybook.

Advice to you, Find OLD photographers who have the experience of working with girls who do not know how to model.

Jan 30 13 06:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4,071
Alexandria, Virginia, US


Tony Lawrence wrote:
Madison you are a agency model.   Rather then look for tests here you're agency should arrange them.

I've run into quite a few models with secondary market "child" agencies that send their models to MM to look for tests....  I suppose that is in some ways better than sending them out to pay a good bit of money for portfolio work as some do

Jan 30 13 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GER Photography
Posts: 7,756
Imperial, California, US


I'm not too far away from you and I need some fashion style shots for my port!:-)
Jan 30 13 06:48 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
photo212grapher
Posts: 1,540
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


A-M-P wrote:
What she meant is that they might not be up to agency standards. If she is a commercial model she  should want good commercial  work or if she is fashion model she should want  good fashion work not just settle for average.  This is not a critique but I sort of agree  with they are not. Photographers should not be so emotional about their work just because they might think is amazing does not mean it actually is.

Yes, I know she meant this, but that is not what she said, "aren't that great"
You do not need to be emotional to know when you are insulted.

Jan 30 13 08:22 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


photo212grapher wrote:

Yes, I know she meant this, but that is not what she said, "aren't that great"
You do not need to be emotional to know when you are insulted.

Oh no, I love my photographers, they've all been wonderful to work with!

I'm sorry this got misconstrued I wasn't talking about the photographers work but rather my own as far as modeling and look.   Since my most recent shoots I've lot quite a bit of weight and been working on posing, etc.  So no, I love the photographers I've worked with but as a model I feel my work in the photos hasn't been great and that a photographer considering testing with me I'd look through my port and see an inexperienced model. 

I've raised my game lately and am hoping to work with some others who can help bring my port to the next level smile I feel I get turned down quite a bit because of the lack of expressions in my port currently... Acting and modeling is very different hah

Jan 30 13 04:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,925
Los Angeles, California, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm an agency represented actress/model but the photos in my port aren't that great as of yet hmm   I've been practicing my posing and modeling lots, as well as lost quite a bit of weight,  but currently what I have to "show for myself" isn't anything most photographers find worth shooting.

Anyone have some suggestions on how to get some good test photos done? I just need that one photographer to take the leap of faith hah so I can get some portfolio worthy pics.


Thanks guys!!

if what you need is great photos look at the portfolios of photographers in your area who do the work you want in your portfolio.

Contact them and ask them about their testing rates.

Pay them.

In the meantime take your portfolio down to 4 amazing images (lose the doubles). Remove anything that isn't worthy of being in a magazine. Also lose the resume, this is not the place for it.

Once you have paid a few photographers to up your game, and help you understand posing and how to work with the camera, you will most likely be able to book unpaid tests to complete your book and hopefully find some commercial clients.

Jan 30 13 05:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,669
Atlanta, Georgia, US


I am surprised your agency has not setup some test.  Rates differ depending on what the agency may have worked out with the photographers and I would ask them about whom they work with.

I would also second Star's advice as well
Jan 30 13 05:11 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,925
Los Angeles, California, US


also this is too generic and won't get you what you need

"Hey Model Mayhem!

Photographers who are looking for an experienced, professional female model who will bring energy and charisma to every photoshoot, your looking at the right page! Tag me or PM me with your information and the type of shoot we'd be doing.

Looking forward to all the good things to come,

Madison


No random friend requests, Thank you smile "

try this-

"Hey Model Mayhem

I'm an agency represented model and actress looking to do a few great test shoots. As you can see I am 16, so my mother or father will accompany me to all shoots. My measurements and stats are kept up to date.

If interested in testing with me please send me a PM with as many details as possible. I am very selective with my testing, due to school commitments, and will only commit to test shoots that have make-up and hair on board, and prefer ones that have a wardrobe stylist.

While I appreciate all forms of photography I am only interested in fashion tests at this time."
Jan 30 13 05:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,937
Santa Ana, California, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
Everette doesn't really give you the photos back, so even though they're published you don't get a tear sheet or anything.

If it's published in print, you shouldn't have to get the tear from the photographer, go straight to a copy of the printed magazine and scan (have it scanned) or contact the publication and possibly get a digital reprint.

I'm sure the MM lawyers will want to weigh in on this, but this is the way its been done for years and years.

Jan 30 13 05:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Madison P Cook
Posts: 136
Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada


Star wrote:
also this is too generic and won't get you what you need

"Hey Model Mayhem!

Photographers who are looking for an experienced, professional female model who will bring energy and charisma to every photoshoot, your looking at the right page! Tag me or PM me with your information and the type of shoot we'd be doing.

Looking forward to all the good things to come,

Madison


No random friend requests, Thank you smile "


try this-

"Hey Model Mayhem

I'm an agency represented model and actress looking to do a few great test shoots. As you can see I am 16, so my mother or father will accompany me to all shoots. My measurements and stats are kept up to date.

If interested in testing with me please send me a PM with as many details as possible. I am very selective with my testing, due to school commitments, and will only commit to test shoots that have make-up and hair on board, and prefer ones that have a wardrobe stylist.

While I appreciate all forms of photography I am only interested in fashion tests at this time."

Star! My gosh thank you so much.  You've been a great help and I've just updated my profile.  What would be your opinion on which photos to keep? 

I really do appreciate everyones help!!

Jan 30 13 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Vector 38
Posts: 8,296
Austin, Texas, US


DennisRoliffPhotography wrote:
Have your agency arrange some tests with photographers on their list.

+1

Jan 30 13 05:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,620
New York, New York, US


Hi Madison, If you are looking for which images to keep, I might suggest: 4, 8, 9, 13 in your book which are all in the ballpark of the fashion/publication look that you mention you are interested in. Also, this is not the critique forum (they are very insistent on keeping critiques in that forum around here), so you may want to consider to start a thread over there for feedback. Good luck in your journey!
Jan 30 13 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,925
Los Angeles, California, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
Everette doesn't really give you the photos back, so even though they're published you don't get a tear sheet or anything. Oh well it still looks good on the resume!

ummmm as a good friend to the photographer in question, who does have a portfolio on MM, I would suggest you not discuss him on here. It is called outing.

Nicely contact the creative director of Palm Springs life and ask for a PDF of the image sets.

Jan 30 13 06:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Evie Wolfe
Posts: 1,201
Nottingham, England, United Kingdom


I bribe them with cookies or cake tongue
Jan 30 13 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digital Czar
Posts: 934
Oak Park, Illinois, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm an agency represented actress/model but the photos in my port aren't that great as of yet hmm   I've been practicing my posing and modeling lots, as well as lost quite a bit of weight,  but currently what I have to "show for myself" isn't anything most photographers find worth shooting.

Anyone have some suggestions on how to get some good test photos done? I just need that one photographer to take the leap of faith hah so I can get some portfolio worthy pics.


Thanks guys!!

I would think the booking agent at your agency would have some idea of which photographers are inclined to test with new models from their experience with the women who have previously come through the agency and what models tell them along with what new photos they see in their models books.

Feb 04 13 07:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
the lonely photographer
Posts: 1,875
Beverly Hills, California, US


photo212grapher wrote:
Sure glad my work is not in your portfolio. You might not have meant it, but you just slammed those photographers who took the pics in your portfolio.  You have some tear sheets, so others beyond the photographer considered them worthy. 

and you'll want more than one photographer to build a worthy portfolio. Showing you work with several different photographers is best. Otherwise, you appear exclusive to that photographer, or only able to work with that one.

Yep, that's a http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngthought.   Who does she think is   "worthy?"

Feb 04 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jessica Vaugn
Posts: 7,320
Los Angeles, California, US


Why isnt your agency guiding you and setting things up?

This is of course because the agency in question is probably less than ideal....
Feb 04 13 07:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,955
Albany, New York, US


Madison P Cook wrote:
Hey Guys, I'm an agency represented actress/model but the photos in my port aren't that great as of yet hmm   I've been practicing my posing and modeling lots, as well as lost quite a bit of weight,  but currently what I have to "show for myself" isn't anything most photographers find worth shooting.

Anyone have some suggestions on how to get some good test photos done? I just need that one photographer to take the leap of faith hah so I can get some portfolio worthy pics.

Take the initiative & ask in a private message. Otherwise they may never know about the opportunity.

Don't rely on tags or picture comments.

Feb 04 13 08:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
R Bruce Duncan
Posts: 436
Santa Barbara, California, US


Congratulations on your excellent work with Cameron Mackey, Madison.

Great job by both of you.

RBD
Feb 09 13 08:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 10,303
Los Angeles, California, US


Star wrote:
also this is too generic and won't get you what you need

"Hey Model Mayhem!

Photographers who are looking for an experienced, professional female model who will bring energy and charisma to every photoshoot, your looking at the right page! Tag me or PM me with your information and the type of shoot we'd be doing.

Looking forward to all the good things to come,

Madison


No random friend requests, Thank you smile "

try this-

"Hey Model Mayhem

I'm an agency represented model and actress looking to do a few great test shoots. As you can see I am 16, so my mother or father will accompany me to all shoots. My measurements and stats are kept up to date.

If interested in testing with me please send me a PM with as many details as possible. I am very selective with my testing, due to school commitments, and will only commit to test shoots that have make-up and hair on board, and prefer ones that have a wardrobe stylist.

While I appreciate all forms of photography I am only interested in fashion tests at this time."

Bad advice.  She'll shoot herself in the foot with that one.  Why not wait until you see their work or find out what the concept is before determining whether hair/makeup/wardrobe is even necessary?  Many of the top agencies in LA (and OC/SD if you want to nit-pick) will have no trouble letting their girls test without a full team; it just depends on the photographer and the shoot.  Especially considering she's a new face it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to have a full team for her (or any other new face) unless their desperate for models (and in that case it's probably not going to help her out considering they're desperate anyway) or REALLY like her look. 

Oddly enough the rest of what you suggested she write is pretty good and concise.

ETA: Also, Madison...if you want to know what to keep in your book it's generally a good idea to talk to your bookers....after all, it's their job to market you and they probably have a better idea of how to do so than anyone here on MM. 

Same goes for testing, even the jankiest of agencies will suggest a list of photographers to contact to test with.  Better ones will push you in packages to photographers.  Talk to your booker (which you should be doing somewhat regularly anyway) and see what they can do in terms of testing/updating your book, and also how they want to market you (in case you manage to set up some stuff on your own).

Feb 09 13 09:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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