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Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


(I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the "critique" forum, so mods, please move it if there's a problem!)

Alright, so I'm toying with the idea of really getting into glamour modeling. It's something that I've been secretly (or not-so-secretly) curious about for a while, but let's be honest: I'm a little bit of a 'fraidy-cat, for pretty much no good reason. smile I want to mention that I am completely inspired by--and, yes, completely jealous of--the work of beautiful models like Amelia Talon and Jessica Vaugn (I REALLY hope I'm spelling that right!), as well as the Victoria's Secret angels, of course. (No, this isn't one of those "How can I be a VS model at 5'5 threads; never fear! smile )

I went ahead and read a loooot of MM threads on this, including this one:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=299122

These threads explained a lot, but I am still wondering about a few things, as they pertain to me personally.

My first, and biggest, question is this: Is there any room for actual professional advancement in the glamour industry for a model who doesn't want to show "pink"? I personally do not wish to show this, though I do think that well-done glamour photos involving "pink" are usually quite beautiful. As an aside, I've been told over and over again, since I turned 18, that I'm perfect for "tease"-style glamour. Is that a thing? I assume (rightly or wrongly) that "tease" doesn't involve actual "pink" exposure.

My second question is this: I'm open to doing a lot of original photography in my pointe shoes. (I've been a dancer pretty much my entire life.) I assume that this falls more into the "fetish" category, does it not? Am I right in assuming that it can also be incorporated into glamour? So many other things are, as far as I can see, which is why I wonder.

My third question is this, and I really am not trying to be rude or snarky. I'm genuinely unsure of the answer: What are the lines that differentiates glamour from fetish, or glamour from porn? What about bikini from glamour? (Is there even a line for that last one? wink ) I know that they can all blend together, and that the lines, if there, are thin, but I'd still like to know what they are.

I guess that's basically it, for now. Thanks for reading... and please be gentle! wink
Jan 30 13 07:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LMG Images
Posts: 674
Nashville, Tennessee, US


You definitely have the look for glamour.

I am not sure what you mean by advancement in the industry.  I am uncertain of the situation in Israel.  You need to take some time and decide what your goals are and where you want your images to be and where you draw your line of what you want to do in your life.

When people mention fetish they aren't normally talking about dance.  That would be more of a specialty.  I think of fetish as being foot, leather, bondage, etc.  I could be wrong.

What are the lines that differentiates glamour from fetish, or glamour from porn? What about bikini from glamour?

Glamour means you are glamorous.  It has to be with a certain look of a girl and a certain style.  It usually infers being sexy even though I don't think it would have too by definition.

Fetish, I already mentioned.

Porn can be glamorous but doesn't have to be.  Porn is strictly to arouse the senses.  The line from porn to glamour could as varied as the person viewing it.  Grandma church lady might think of a VS catalog as being porn.  More often porn is less playful in more lustful in expression.

Bikini is often used in glamour.  However, a picture of someone in a bikini does not have to be glamorous.  It has to do with styling and expressions, etc.  Let's think curvy girl, big hair, lots of makeup on a lounge verses a stick teenage girl playing volleyball with her friends.

Jan 30 13 07:38 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


LMG Images wrote:
You definitely have the look for glamour.

I am not sure what you mean by advancement in the industry.  I am uncertain of the situation in Israel.  There are lots of young girls in the US that make quite good money doing glamour modeling.  Much of what you see on MM is models taking images for photographers.  If you are willing to do nudes, I would say that you could get hired for jobs right away and selective tf with exceptional photographers here and there.

When people mention fetish they aren't normally talking about dance.  That would be more of a specialty.  I think of fetish as being foot, leather, bondage, etc.  I could be wrong.

Thanks; I really don't know much about the whole "fetish" thing. I've just heard that pointe shoes are a big fetish for a lot of people, and honestly, I'm pretty cool with that. smile

What I meant by "professional advancement" is more along the lines of magazine submissions being accepted, becoming more well-known in the industry in general, and, hopefully, getting paid for my work.

Disclaimer: I'm not thinking about making this decision based on pay, or at least not solely (I know that it's only good to go into glamour if you actually enjoy it and can handle it mentally), but I do know that it should, theoretically, get me paid more often and on a more-regular basis than what I'm doing now, if I play my cards right. I'm considering a move to glamour as a business move that makes sense for my type, as well as where I am in life right now.

Jan 30 13 07:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LMG Images
Posts: 674
Nashville, Tennessee, US


You know being in magazines does not always pay well.  It can open the doors though.

If you want to get published, I would recommend targeting photographers that regularly get published in the magazines you want to be in.

Pointe shoes are a fetish.  I googled it.
Jan 30 13 07:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


LMG Images wrote:
You know being in magazines does not always pay well.  It can open the doors though.

If you want to get published, I would recommend targeting photographers that regularly get published in the magazines you want to be in.

Pointe shoes are a fetish.  I googled it.

Yeah, I'm really into the idea of getting the exposure, for opening doors, and also because, let's face it, I can be a little narcissistic. xD

Jan 30 13 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


OH! Also, yes. I know that being in a magazine actually probably means that you were pretty woefully UNDERPAID, having been there once or twice myself. wink
Jan 30 13 08:12 am  Link  Quote 
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Kyle T Edwards
Posts: 431
St Catharines, Ontario, Canada


I think LMG's pretty much spot on.  Glamour is a playful tease while often leaving a little to the imagination, porn is a direct and open (pun intended) arousal, and fetish caters to specialty arousals.

What the market's like over in Israel for foot fetishes, I don't know, but it's probably the most well known fetish here in North America, so chances are, if you're going to make it as a fetish model, that would be a good one to start with.  Being a ballerina and having that kind of leg & foot control is just a bonus.

Of course, if you find yourself on this side of the world and want someone to do a glamour shoot with, please, let me know!  I think you'd be fantastic at it.  Heck, even if you want to do a fetish shoot.  I haven't done a fetish shoot yet, but I'll try anything twice.
Jan 30 13 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


I'm not big into the idea of fetish, just so everyone knows; the pointe shoe thing is just an option that I know I can bring to the table. I'm really more into pure "tease" glamour, to tell the truth.

Incidentally, I'd love to hear from a few experienced glamour models. O:-)
Jan 30 13 09:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,452
Salem, Oregon, US


i'm not an experienced glamour llama. nor do i play one on tv.

in the US nude llamas travel the country and get paid by photographers. one that i hired when i got started here now has an agent and apparently can command between $150-$400/hour. many of these llamas say "classy nudes" although some will do penthouse or even hustler style (but often at a higher rate). some get hired for workshops and some work conventions like glamourcon.

around here some of the strippers get webcams and do things like zivity to promote their webcams (and web sites).

i bought a playboy and a penthouse a while back and while penthouse was definitely raunchier i was surprised by leg spreads and tattoos in playboy.

i think what constitutes porn is in the eye of the beholder. same with art. we all draw the line differently.

most of my nude llamas have been "easy on the hooha" but some are hooha-friendly and will just put it out there.

a popular zivity photographer came through town recently and apparently in addition to his zivity sets he shoots for penthouse. so maybe you need to meet the right photographers.

regarding fetish check out fetlife. fetish can get pretty wild.
Jan 30 13 09:57 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


I just realized that "pink" isn't as inclusive as I thought previously, when I posted. I basically meant that this:

http://media.victoriassecret.com/featur … eature.jpg

kind of exposure would basically be my limit. I understand that this changes a lot of things.
Jan 30 13 11:10 am  Link  Quote 
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M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:
My first, and biggest, question is this: Is there any room for actual professional advancement in the glamour industry for a model who doesn't want to show "pink"?

That's not glamour. That's Erotica (or porn depending on who you ask). Unless you mean a pink swimsuit.

Rachel-Elise  wrote:
My second question is this: I'm open to doing a lot of original photography in my pointe shoes. (I've been a dancer pretty much my entire life.)

I don't consider ballerina-style dancing shots to be anything remotely Fetish. Unless someone has a fetish for pointy shoes and leotards. Which, I'm sure is out there.

Rachel-Elise  wrote:
My third question is this, and I really am not trying to be rude or snarky. I'm genuinely unsure of the answer: What are the lines that differentiates glamour from fetish, or glamour from porn? What about bikini from glamour?

A model posing in a bikini...glamour. A model posing in a bikini made out of a cloth diaper? Fetish. A model posing in a bikini made out of a diaper performing a Bukake scene with 7 dudes? Porn. A model doing all of the above in B&W? Art. A model doing all of the above and shot by Terry Richardson? High Fashion.

Jan 30 13 11:19 am  Link  Quote 
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Stan Rudnick
Posts: 1
Ra'anana, Hamerkaz, Israel


I'll send you a link tomorrow Raych with a load of beautiful examples that I think are exactly where you are at - and I would love to do with you.
Jan 30 13 12:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,211
New York, New York, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:

Rachel-Elise  wrote:
My first, and biggest, question is this: Is there any room for actual professional advancement in the glamour industry for a model who doesn't want to show "pink"?

That's not glamour. That's Erotica (or porn depending on who you ask). Unless you mean a pink swimsuit.

Rachel-Elise  wrote:
My second question is this: I'm open to doing a lot of original photography in my pointe shoes. (I've been a dancer pretty much my entire life.)

I don't consider ballerina-style dancing shots to be anything remotely Fetish. Unless someone has a fetish for pointy shoes and leotards. Which, I'm sure is out there.


A model posing in a bikini...glamour. A model posing in a bikini made out of a cloth diaper? Fetish. A model posing in a bikini made out of a diaper performing a Bukake scene with 7 dudes? Porn. A model doing all of the above in B&W? Art. A model doing all of the above and shot by Terry Richardson? High Fashion.

Perfect!...

Jan 30 13 12:43 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Michael Pandolfo wrote:
A llama posing in a bikini...glamour. A llama posing in a bikini made out of a cloth diaper? Fetish. A llama posing in a bikini made out of a diaper performing a Bukake scene with 7 dudes? Porn. A llama doing all of the above in B

Jan 30 13 02:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Stan Rudnick wrote:
I'll send you a link tomorrow Raych with a load of beautiful examples that I think are exactly where you are at - and I would love to do with you.

Thanks! :-D

Jan 30 13 02:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,153
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Rachel-Elise  wrote:
Alright, so I'm toying with the idea of really getting into glamour modeling.

If you got the goods the consumers want, there wouldn't be any hindrance to your success.

.

Jan 30 13 02:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Toto Photo
Posts: 2,748
Belmont, California, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:
I just realized that "pink" isn't as inclusive as I thought previously, when I posted. I basically meant that this:

http://media.victoriassecret.com/featur … eature.jpg

kind of exposure would basically be my limit. I understand that this changes a lot of things.

Glad you posted this clarification. "Pink" actually refers to spread labia and the pink color therein.

Jan 30 13 02:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Toto Photo wrote:
Glad you posted this clarification. "Pink" actually refers to spread labia and the pink color therein.

Yeah, that's what I've found out within the past few hours. tongue I could have sworn that it included nips, but I was apparently mistaken.

I just don't want this thread to turn into a trainwreck, as I honestly need all the info I can get in order to make my "official" (lol) decision, and MM seems like the best place to get glamour info, to be honest.

Anyway, all of my original questions apply to, basically, the type of llamaing that is everywhere from bikini to the VS image in that link. I've seen portfolios of glamour llamas that don't show pink or nips, but have no idea how successful they are, in terms of magazines and payment.

Jan 30 13 02:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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May Sinclair
Posts: 1,147
Los Angeles, California, US


My understanding is that it's tough to make money shooting glamour unless you're willing to get naked.
Jan 30 13 03:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rakesh Malik
Posts: 348
Seattle, Washington, US


May S wrote:
My understanding is that it's tough to make money shooting glamour unless you're willing to get naked.

It would be easier to get a start by being willing to get naked, but it's not required. There is quite a bit of glamour photography out there, and even quite a bit of boudoir with outfits that aren't any more revealing than bikinis. You don't to take it all off to be sexy, and in many cases not taking it all off is sexier than revealing it, if you take my meaning.

Jan 30 13 04:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


May S wrote:
My understanding is that it's tough to make money shooting glamour unless you're willing to get naked.

I'm guessing you are not proficient in the art of making an omelette without breaking eggs either? hmm

Shame on you! What a buzzkill big_smile





Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Jan 30 13 04:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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The F-Stop
Posts: 1,496
New York, New York, US


I've tagged your best look.. keep that up.

Classy n so sexy...
Jan 30 13 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,869
Olivet, Michigan, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:
I guess that's basically it, for now. Thanks for reading... and please be gentle! wink

You are gorgeous, and could be sexy as hell.  The question is, can you be totally comfortable shooting that sort of stuff?  I'm not saying you can't, certainly, but it's really important for good, classy, results.  And it's your call.

Jan 30 13 06:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
varton
Posts: 2,309
New York, New York, US


Short answer is glamor modeling is right for you. You have the look. You don't have to show pink.
Jan 30 13 07:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


The F-Stop wrote:
I've tagged your best look.. keep that up.

Classy n so sexy...

Thanks! I value all the opinions I can get right now. wink

Jan 31 13 01:05 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Alright everyone, thanks for helping me out. smile Now..... honestly. I'm REALLY new to this whole scene, so to speak... once I've branched out and made the images, well... what, specifically, can I do with them? :-P I thought maybe we'd start with some smaller magazine submissions, just to get my feet wet, but I have no idea if this is the right way to go about doing things.

Again, any direction is appreciated, as well as everything that's already been said.
Jan 31 13 01:07 am  Link  Quote 
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