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Mask Photo
Posts: 1,385
Fremont, California, US


just sharing the joy and the agony of anticipation. Negotiated a raise at the day job. Now, depending on how badly taxes bone me, I might be able to justify the upgrade (been on the 5D1 since months after its launch), and might even be able to justify studio rental, to boot.

the wait is making me crazy!
Feb 01 13 01:25 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,448
Paris, Île-de-France, France


By the time you buy the prices will come down. As said many times it was a silly move on Canon's side to increase the price while Nikon whomped them with the D800 much more of a camera for a lot less.

I had to update, no choice as my MKII shutter was wearing out.

The new one is a real pleasure. Image quality around the same, but the AF just works, and the construction, etc.

I have no regrets, in the end it is still the camera I wanted the MKII to be.
I'll use this one for many years to come!
Feb 01 13 01:31 am  Link  Quote 
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Mask Photo
Posts: 1,385
Fremont, California, US


I'd have to think that shutter surgery would be cheaper than this beast...

But yeah, I've heard nothing but improvements over the mk2, even into the area of the characteristics of the noise. Just about everything I didn't like about the mk2's specs is solved (except the finer video controls, unfortunately; there's one effect i want to try that doesn't seem possible)

Even if the price doesn't drop, the current levels it's floating at make it a no-brainer. I paid more for the 5D and was happy with it (until certain things began to chafe).

Also, I'm not convinced that the D800 is that much more robust. Pixel count isn't everything, and for most SLR lenses, you're just resolving more flaws in your glass past a certain pixel count.
Feb 01 13 01:49 am  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


It's just gone up again here in the UK, now around £2400.00, by contrast the D800 can be had for 1900.00...! No idea what Canon's strategy is?
Feb 01 13 01:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,448
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Nothing against the update, it's just raising the price for the improvements is not justified. Canon are hurting because of their recent strategies.

The D800 has it's problems too, yet is a very solid camera for the price. Uncompressed video out over HDMI, USB 3, etc,Edit> CF card and SD like the Canon I have.

I shot with one while hesitating to switch camps. The IQ is simply better for what I do.

Yet Nikon is missing lenses that perform as well in certain price ranges or not at all.

For example the 24-105 L is inexpensive and a solid performer. Nikon have nothing even close.
The Canon 100mm macro I use non L. The Nikon is a much lesser lens and more expensive ( albeit VR).


I repaired the shutter, actually it was just the pinion gear, but replaced the shutter anyway as once open the part isn't that expensive.  I'll sell it though as I don't have money to keep two 5D's sadly. Anyone in Europe that wants it, tell me quick.
Feb 01 13 02:06 am  Link  Quote 
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London Fog
Posts: 6,770
London, England, United Kingdom


Neil Snape wrote:
Nothing against the update, it's just raising the price for the improvements is not justified. Canon are hurting because of their recent strategies.

The D800 has it's problems too, yet is a very solid camera for the price. Uncompressed video out over HDMI, USB 3, etc, true dual CF card.

I shot with one while hesitating to switch camps. The IQ is simply better for what I do.

Yet Nikon is missing lenses that perform as well in certain price ranges or not at all.

For example the 24-105 L is inexpensive and a solid performer. Nikon have nothing even close.
The Canon 100mm macro I use non L. The Nikon is a much lesser lens and more expensive ( albeit VR).


I repaired the shutter, actually it was just the pinion gear, but replaced the shutter anyway as once open the part isn't that expensive.  I'll sell it though as I don't have money to keep two 5D's sadly. Anyone in Europe that wants it, tell me quick.

Agree 100%, can't stand some of Nikon's lenses. By contrast the L series by the big C are stunning, esp the great value for money 24-105L, works great on my 7D!

Feb 01 13 02:15 am  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,974
Costa Mesa, California, US


Neil Snape wrote:
Nothing against the update, it's just raising the price for the improvements is not justified. Canon are hurting because of their recent strategies.

The D800 has it's problems too, yet is a very solid camera for the price. Uncompressed video out over HDMI, USB 3, etc, true dual CF card.

I shot with one while hesitating to switch camps. The IQ is simply better for what I do.

Yet Nikon is missing lenses that perform as well in certain price ranges or not at all.

For example the 24-105 L is inexpensive and a solid performer. Nikon have nothing even close.
The Canon 100mm macro I use non L. The Nikon is a much lesser lens and more expensive ( albeit VR).


I repaired the shutter, actually it was just the pinion gear, but replaced the shutter anyway as once open the part isn't that expensive.  I'll sell it though as I don't have money to keep two 5D's sadly. Anyone in Europe that wants it, tell me quick.

Actually mine is one CF and one SD..but the rest is truth..best camera I owned since my Rollie SL66.

Feb 01 13 02:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,448
Paris, Île-de-France, France


R Michael Walker wrote:
Actually mine is one CF and one SD..but the rest is truth..best camera I owned since my Rollie SL66.

Ooops , I thought it had two CF cards. Now what camera did I use that did that?

After ready Rob Galbraith's site report on the SD card read write performance with the Canon, for whatever reason, if the report is true, the SD slot is not fast enough for fast shooting with the MKIII. Seems the Nikon D800 SD card slot is.

Might as well add here, Nikon have some lenses that Canon don't. For example the 85 1.8 Nikon is a great lens for a small price. It outperforms the Canon 1.8 by far.

It was a ver hard choice to * should I stay or should I go.

It was so close that I asked if they had the 150 or 180 Sigma macro in stock, and in Nikon mount. They didn't so I said okay give me the Canon then.

Feb 01 13 02:36 am  Link  Quote 
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Mask Photo
Posts: 1,385
Fremont, California, US


Neil Snape wrote:
Might as well add here, Nikon have some lenses that Canon don't. For example the 85 1.8 Nikon is a great lens for a small price. It outperforms the Canon 1.8 by far.

that's... surprising. My first Canon 85 f/1.8 was so sharp, it actually revealed flaws in my sensor. I sold it to buy zooms, as i thought that's what I wanted. Came back and bought another one and it's still my favorite lens of all time.

Feb 01 13 03:01 am  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,974
Costa Mesa, California, US


I have that 85mm F/1.8 and on the D800 it's superb. Of course most of my work is with the super sharp Nikkor 16-35mm F/4 VR. Not a beauty lens for sure. LOL! The D4 has 2 CF slots BTW. To the OP..I almost jumped ship to the 5DM2 back in the day. But the AF is not so hot as you all know and I am to old to focus those wide angles I love manually. Otherwise I'd have the 25mm Zeiss Distagon. And yes, Nikon is lacking a new, great 105mm. You can chose from Macro or Defocus. Both good on the D800. The 180 is old tech and needs replacing for sure. The 135mm too. All focal length I'd like. But I'm going to get the 70-200 Nikkor soon to cover that gap. For my work that's fine. Best of luck to you with your new 5DM3 when you get it. I'm sure you will find it much improved over your old 5D.
Feb 01 13 03:06 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,448
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Mask Photo wrote:
that's... surprising. My first Canon 85 f/1.8 was so sharp, it actually revealed flaws in my sensor. I sold it to buy zooms, as i thought that's what I wanted. Came back and bought another one and it's still my favorite lens of all time.

The Canon is acceptable and works. Yet it is not their best at all. Not like the 135mm f2, or 70-200 2.8, or the 100mm macro. For anyone with a 70-200 L the optical character would be similar enough that you wouldn't likely change lenses. For video however the 1.8 Canon is a lightweight good choice as handheld it's just easier to use.

The Nikon 85 1.8 for the price is exceptional. When I shot Nikon, I had both the 1.4 and the 1.8 if I remember right. The recent tests show the optical qualities of the 1.8 to be right up there with the best of their class.

IF you wanted the bokeh of a 1.2 then you have to accept the draw backs and price.


PS, I tried the new 70-200 f4 Nikon as it was released first in Europe. It is just a superb lens on the D800, fast, light, very sharp.

Feb 01 13 03:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,048
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Mask Photo wrote:
the wait is making me crazy!

How long is the estimated wait? 1, 3 or 6 months?

Anyhoo... have fun with the journey.

.

Feb 01 13 03:13 am  Link  Quote 
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Mask Photo
Posts: 1,385
Fremont, California, US


Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
How long is the estimated wait? 1, 3 or 6 months?

between 1 and 3, depending on the results of the tax return.

Neil Snape wrote:
The Canon is acceptable and works. Yet it is not their best at all. Not like the 135mm f2, ... or the 100mm macro.

I've owned the 100mm macro (sold it) and the 135 f/2. my old 85 blew them out of the water. My new one, i have to test more. too early to tell.

Feb 01 13 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
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Neil Snape
Posts: 9,448
Paris, Île-de-France, France


Mask Photo wrote:

Raoul Isidro Images wrote:
How long is the estimated wait? 1, 3 or 6 months?

between 1 and 3, depending on the results of the tax return.


I've owned the 100mm macro (sold it) and the 135 f/2. my old 85 blew them out of the water. My new one, i have to test more. too early to tell.

Make sure you micro focus all your lenses.

IF you had a bad copy of a 100mm macro it happens in any brand.

Yet other than a poor wide open bokeh at longer focus, the 100mm macro is at the very top of the Canon line up, not many lens can extract as much from the sensor, especially for portraits or beauty pix.

Feb 01 13 04:01 am  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,974
Costa Mesa, California, US


Mask Photo wrote:
between 1 and 3, depending on the results of the tax return.

My tax return is buying me photo equipment as well. LOL! But I do this as a business, albeit a bad business at the moment. And with my Schedule "C" I have depreciation deductions. The Feds have frozen all such tax returns till late February/early March. I'll get my state back in a week or so. But the fed refund will be mid March at best.

Feb 01 13 04:13 am  Link  Quote 
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ChanStudio - OtherSide
Posts: 5,317
Alpharetta, Georgia, US


Mask Photo wrote:
that's... surprising. My first Canon 85 f/1.8 was so sharp, it actually revealed flaws in my sensor. I sold it to buy zooms, as i thought that's what I wanted. Came back and bought another one and it's still my favorite lens of all time.

Canon's 85mm f1.8 can't compare to Nikkor 85mm f1.8 (sharper than Canon's).

Canon also does not has the 14-24mm f2.8G (Canon has no equivalent).

  For Tele-photo, Canon has the edge.  For wide lenses, Nikkor has the edge.

Feb 01 13 04:48 am  Link  Quote 
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bidewell photography
Posts: 659
Albuquerque, New Mexico, US


I was in exactly the same position 1 year ago. My original 5D was definitely showing it's age. My tax return wasn't too bad. So last March I bought the 5D mk 3. I do love it! Going from the 1 to the 3 was a large enough jump to be truly noticeable! If you can get a good deal one one, even better!
Feb 01 13 05:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,717
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


R Michael Walker wrote:
The D4 has 2 CF slots BTW.

Not quite. It's got one CF and one of those new format XQD cards. Have to say.. I think this was a mistake 'cos it was unnecessary, although maybe it's something for the future..

The 1dx is (as far as I know) the only camera with 2xCF.

Feb 01 13 06:38 am  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,717
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


Neil Snape wrote:

Make sure you micro focus all your lenses.

IF you had a bad copy of a 100mm macro it happens in any brand.

Yet other than a poor wide open bokeh at longer focus, the 100mm macro is at the very top of the Canon line up, not many lens can extract as much from the sensor, especially for portraits or beauty pix.

Indeed. It's an exceptional lens. Many of their primes are nothing short of amazing. The occasional one is hit and miss (the 50L being the most obvious - I'm lucky with mine!). The new 24-70 II is stunning - especially if you shoot it at f2.8 when it's pretty much as sharp as f7.1 (max sharpness).

I understand it's not for everyone, but lenses are more important for me than MP for the majority of my work and for that reason Canon is the right company for me. I do hope they release something more D800ish soon though for those who don't quite have the same priority as me.

It was commented to me by a large pro camera shop in the UK that Canon have been updating their lens before going high MP whereas Nikon updated their sensors and have been less into lenses. Both companies have their priorities. That's good for users 'cos you just choose the one which suits smile

Feb 01 13 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
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Phil Drinkwater
Posts: 4,717
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


Mask Photo wrote:
just sharing the joy and the agony of anticipation. Negotiated a raise at the day job. Now, depending on how badly taxes bone me, I might be able to justify the upgrade (been on the 5D1 since months after its launch), and might even be able to justify studio rental, to boot.

the wait is making me crazy!

I've had mine for a while now. It's nothing short of amazing. The best camera I've ever owned by a fair way smile

Feb 01 13 06:45 am  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,261
Salem, Oregon, US


the MK II was a big improvement over the MK I (although some favor the signature of the MK I sensor). if you don't shoot sports or in the dark maybe just get a MKII and save yourself some money.
Feb 01 13 08:05 am  Link  Quote 
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Mask Photo
Posts: 1,385
Fremont, California, US


twoharts wrote:
the MK II was a big improvement over the MK I (although some favor the signature of the MK I sensor). if you don't shoot sports or in the dark maybe just get a MKII and save yourself some money.

I have had lots of trouble with AF on the 5d1, so i wouldn't want to repeat that annoyance. I've also heard things about ugly noise patterns on the 5d2, that have been solved for the 3. wink

Feb 03 13 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Instinct Images
Posts: 22,494
San Diego, California, US


ChanStudio - OtherSide wrote:

Canon's 85mm f1.8 can't compare to Nikkor 85mm f1.8 (sharper than Canon's).

Canon also does not has the 14-24mm f2.8G (Canon has no equivalent).

  For Tele-photo, Canon has the edge.  For wide lenses, Nikkor has the edge.

Except for the new Canon 24-70 f/2.8L II - it's sharper than the Nikon version and the older Canon version.

Feb 03 13 06:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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