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Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Alright, so I have a photo in my portfolio here from 2007. I know, I know--it's completely outdated, doesn't represent me anymore, etc. The thing is, this is easily, far and away, my most popular photo ever on MM (I don't see why, but it is), and it's brought me more paid work than probably the rest of the photos I've posted combined. It hasn't recently, but people still reference it quite a bit. (Also, it's not like people are booking me based on that photo because they're under the impression that I'm still styled that way, as, clearly, the rest of my photos properly represent me.)

The thing is, I do know that it's outdated, and sometimes, when I have a lot of awesome new work that I want to showcase, I find myself wondering if I should delete it, even though it's "MM's favorite."

Thoughts?

This is the photo in question:

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080518/12/48305f64a0133_m.jpg
Feb 02 13 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Kerrek
Posts: 1,349
Orlando, Florida, US


If you're so sure that it's still bringing you in paid work, then... if it ain't broke, don't fix it. smile
Feb 02 13 12:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Hm, well that's the thing--it DID bring TONS of paid work, but now, not so much... yet new people are constantly referencing it.

Maybe I just need to do a more grown-up, almost Jessica Rabbit-esque version, so I can replace it already? o.O
Feb 02 13 01:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jorge Kreimer
Posts: 1,939
Los Angeles, California, US


Shalom Rachel, ma nishma?

I would say keep it. It's one of your stronger photos. Replace your weaker shots with your new work.
Feb 02 13 01:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Farenell Photography
Posts: 17,576
Albany, New York, US


1. Its YOUR port. You can present it in any way you see fit.

2. I'd honestly cut delete the duplicates simply for parity's sake. Like 2 (or more) of you in the same outfit against the same backdrop.
Feb 02 13 01:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
NicoleNudes
Posts: 3,725
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I was going to say dump it because it's your worst photo - BUT if that's the photo that's selling people on hiring you - then leave it.

There's one or two photos I have up in the port that weren't my favourite from that certian shoot - but the majority of people liked it better. If I want to successfully market myself I need to appeal to a vase majority of people, not just myself.

Just keep that in mind.
Feb 02 13 01:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


NicoleNudes wrote:
I was going to say dump it because it's your worst photo - BUT if that's the photo that's selling people on hiring you - then leave it.

There's one or two photos I have up in the port that weren't my favourite from that certian shoot - but the majority of people liked it better. If I want to successfully market myself I need to appeal to a vase majority of people, not just myself.

Just keep that in mind.

All good thoughts, from everyone. I have to say, though, Nicole, that you're the first person to ever say that that image was bad! wink I'm interested to hear why... partially because you're basically the first person besides me to not absolutely rave about it. wink

Feb 02 13 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 7,759
Olney, Maryland, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:
Alright, so I have a photo in my portfolio here from 2007. I know, I know--it's completely outdated, doesn't represent me anymore, etc. The thing is, this is easily, far and away, my most popular photo ever on MM (I don't see why, but it is), and it's brought me more paid work than probably the rest of the photos I've posted combined. It hasn't recently, but people still reference it quite a bit. (Also, it's not like people are booking me based on that photo because they're under the impression that I'm still styled that way, as, clearly, the rest of my photos properly represent me.)

If I hired you based on that image, would I be satisfied with your appearance when you arrive?

Feb 02 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Jorge Kreimer wrote:
Shalom Rachel, ma nishma?

I would say keep it. It's one of your stronger photos. Replace your weaker shots with your new work.

Ma nishma? smile Are you ever in my neck of the woods?

Feb 02 13 01:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,292
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Why would you want a 5 yr old photo in your port?
Feb 02 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Images by MR wrote:
Why would you want a 5 yr old photo in your port?

Again:

"This is easily, far and away, my most popular photo ever on MM (I don't see why, but it is), and it's brought me more paid work than probably the rest of the photos I've posted combined. It hasn't recently, but people still reference it quite a bit."

I don't know why people like it so much, but they do.

Feb 02 13 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jorge Kreimer
Posts: 1,939
Los Angeles, California, US


Rachel-Elise  wrote:

Ma nishma? smile Are you ever in my neck of the woods?

Not since I was 15, unfortunately. sad

I want to go soon...Ha shana ha baha be...and all that jazz.

Feb 02 13 01:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Mark Salo wrote:
If I hired you based on that image, would I be satisfied with your appearance when you arrive?

Why would you hire a model based on a photo with a haircut that's different than every other photo in the portfolio?

I'm not trying to be a smart-aleck, but there have been plenty of people who did hire me, based on that image, but also acknowledging that I now had a different haircut.

I really don't know what it is--maybe it's the pose, maybe it's the lighting, and maybe it's something else.

I understand the concept of only using current images in a portfolio; trust me, I've been doing this since 2001. That's why this one is so different for me--it's the only one that has defied reason, when it comes time to switch up le olde porte. Yes. I "SHOULD," theoretically, switch out this photo, based on how old it is, and the change in hairstyle, but there are always a few reasons which argue against getting rid of it. It's never been the case with any other image. That is why I'm questioning getting rid of it.

Feb 02 13 01:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Jorge Kreimer wrote:

Not since I was 15, unfortunately. sad

I want to go soon...Ha shana ha baha be...and all that jazz.

I suggest you come in October, whatever year you decide to come... the weather's the friendliest in October. smile

Feb 02 13 01:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Alright, so right now, the score is:

Keep it: 3
Lose it: 2

...and one undecided Me.
Feb 02 13 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Scott Murphy Photo
Posts: 67
Pensacola, Florida, US


Why delete it? Just HIDE it. That way you can always UNHIDE it if you chose.
Feb 02 13 04:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


Keep.  I just did a quick look-through but I didn't see anything stronger in there.
Feb 02 13 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lee_Photography
Posts: 8,286
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080518/12/48305f64a0133_m.jpg
It’s a nice photo but would not call it a show stopper, there is also no reason for me not to hire you with this photo in your portfolio as long as you tell the world you do not have that look anymore

What’s not to love?
Blown out highlights forehead, models right cheek, top of head
Few flyaway hairs that could be Photoshoped out [Use a dryer sheet to reduce static, blot gently do not rub]
Place hips on angle to camera for thinning effect
Wrinkles in top [Could use clips in back to tighten up]
Would love to see all of your left hand
This image is not capturing your beautiful eyes

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111124/14/4ecec85de9a75_m.jpg
Now this one has a stronger look in my book

I am not a fan of folders, but maybe this would be a good time for a folder called older work



Wish you well
Feb 02 13 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Innovative Imagery
Posts: 2,800
Los Angeles, California, US


It is a fairly classic shot that I am sure you could pull off today.  As for hair, different styling and wig would be two ways to address it.  So I would say keep it.

No, it is not the most amazing shot in the world as far as expression and other more nitpicky things, but it is representative.  I would remove the other dupes and weaker pictures and wait until you have too many better ones to replace it and do it then.
Feb 02 13 05:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Darren Brade
Posts: 2,717
London, England, United Kingdom


Find someone to reshoot it for you. lighting, styling,  everything.

Darren x
www.Facebook.com/darrenbradephotograpy
Feb 02 13 07:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark
Posts: 2,803
New York, New York, US


As a model I wouldnt feel comfortable having a photo from my prime physique days along side of the current sub prime reality- does it bother you? Is that why you are dumping it?
Feb 02 13 08:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
kl-photographics
Posts: 296
Lemgo, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


i also don't like it much, i think u have better ones. but if it's bringing u some paid jobs i would for sure keep it. me in person i would never book a model just cos of special shot. for me the whole sc must be fitting together. if theres just one of 20, that i like i wouldnt book u.
Feb 02 13 08:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Effective Image
Posts: 3,908
Lansing, Michigan, US


IMHO, keep it. It's a good shot.

You post a lot of 'pairs' of shots from a given shoot. I'd mix them up a bit so the 'pairs' aren't side by side and quite so obvious. Usually, it's suggested you only post 1 shot of a given outfit/setup. I think that may be a bit restrictive in some instances, other times it's good advice.

Just my opinion.
Feb 02 13 08:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
LA StarShooter
Posts: 1,673
Los Angeles, California, US


The Effective Image wrote:
IMHO, keep it. It's a good shot.

You post a lot of 'pairs' of shots from a given shoot. I'd mix them up a bit so the 'pairs' aren't side by side and quite so obvious. Usually, it's suggested you only post 1 shot of a given outfit/setup. I think that may be a bit restrictive in some instances, other times it's good advice.

Just my opinion.

I agree with the good shot remark. Sometimes a shot can improved but it is bullet-proof pretty much in getting across some of your powerful qualities.  You look good in it and somehow it conveys something a quality that closed the deal and more than one. You still get references to it, so if it is still helping you, keep it, until it doesn't serve you.

Feb 02 13 08:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GoldieImages
Posts: 127
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


Keep it.

If it's getting eyeballs on your portfolio then it's doing its job.
Feb 02 13 08:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Mark wrote:
As a model I wouldnt feel comfortable having a photo from my prime physique days along side of the current sub prime reality- does it bother you? Is that why you are dumping it?

Um, what?

This photo is sub-prime?

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111124/14/4ecec78cb9736_m.jpg

I really don't understand what you're asking. In the photo in red, I was a baby-face and pretty inexperienced as far as "real modeling" goes. Now, I'm 15 lbs thinner, usually always with a hard body (right now I have a knee injury, so I can't exercise, but you can still see the hard body, to a lesser extent), a heck of a lot more confident, and published.

Pretty sure that my reality is not sub-prime.

Of course, because this is the internet, I don't know if you were saying that as a statement about me now, or as a general "maybe she does look worse now, but is just photoshopped; I really have no idea so I'm just guessing and actually want to help" kind of statement. It didn't sound like it.... again, words.

Feb 02 13 11:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fist Full of Ish
Posts: 1,897
Oak Ridge, Tennessee, US


Michael Kerrek wrote:
If you're so sure that it's still bringing you in paid work, then... ** ** ***'* *****, ***'* *** **. smile

Oh, I can't believe you said that!  That's a taboo statement!

Feb 03 13 12:09 am  Link  Quote 
Model
_eMMe_
Posts: 842
Florence, Toscana, Italy


I'll keep it, you have great body and beautifull face, but this shot is the most expressive of yours.
Feb 03 13 03:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Orcatek Photography
Posts: 1,684
Tempe, Arizona, US


After looking thru you portfolio, I would keep it for sure.

You don't have many shots in this style.  If I were you I would look at get rid of a few of the dance shots if you need to add more work.  You have plenty of them.
Feb 03 13 03:54 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Rachel-Elise
Posts: 1,650
Grand Rapids, Michigan, US


Alright, since the overwhelming majority says to keep it, I went ahead and kept it. I also rearranged the photos and got rid of one, maybe two.

Thanks, everyone, for the suggestions! I think the port looks a lot better, and that particular photo much less out-of-place, now. smile
Feb 03 13 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RachelReilly
Posts: 1,696
Washington, District of Columbia, US


Delete it
Feb 03 13 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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