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Photographer
Freez Frame Photography
Posts: 14
Pueblo, Colorado, US


I'm new to the llamaing industry and I'm having a hard time booking new llamas to work with. Does anyone have any good tip on going about this. Anything will help.
Feb 03 13 08:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Viator Defessus Photos
Posts: 927
College Station, Texas, US


Well, you can offer to pay them, or you can go to the critique forum and allow us to comment on your port/profile and what might be turning models away.
Feb 03 13 08:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Freez Frame Photography
Posts: 14
Pueblo, Colorado, US


Ok I think I will do that
Feb 03 13 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,889
Chicago, Illinois, US


Start by asking more models to shoot.   Don't be shy.   Pass out cards.   Ask women you like at the mall for example.   If you can't afford to pay buy a few nice dresses and things for models too shoot in.   They model and get to keep it.   Find some MUA and use them also.   If you are on Facebook join some of the local modeling groups.   One of the best  ways to get new models is to go to some of the area fashion shows.   Hook up with designers also.   In other words, get cracking!
Feb 03 13 08:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Freez Frame Photography
Posts: 14
Pueblo, Colorado, US


Yeah that's kind of what I thought I should be doing
Thanks for the pointers.
Feb 03 13 10:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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R Michael Walker
Posts: 11,939
Costa Mesa, California, US


$$ or images the models hold as valuable to them
Feb 03 13 10:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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ontherocks
Posts: 22,076
Salem, Oregon, US


1) pay them
2) pay them
3) pay them
4) have hot friends who will pose for you
5) get insanely good
6) look for meetup.com or other group shoots

that's all i know. i find trade shoots very iffy. i do better if i meet the llama away from llama mayhem (even if they are on llama mayhem. go figure)
Feb 03 13 10:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Freez Frame Photography
Posts: 14
Pueblo, Colorado, US


twoharts wrote:
1) pay them
2) pay them
3) pay them
4) have hot friends who will pose for you
5) get insanely good
6) look for meetup.com or other group shoots

that's all i know. i find trade shoots very iffy. i do better if i meet the model away from model mayhem (even if they are on model mayhem. go figure)

That's awesome, I loved that comment. Proving very true so far.

Feb 03 13 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,255
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


With regard MM and other online modelling resources, out of every 50 emails sent, maybe 10 models will respond and of those maybe one will turn into a solid booking. Just keep plugging away.

Eventually you turn the page (image-quality wise) and they start approaching you.
Feb 04 13 07:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,086
San Diego, California, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
With regard MM and other online modelling resources, out of every 50 emails sent, maybe 10 models will respond and of those maybe one will turn into a solid booking. Just keep plugging away.

Eventually you turn the page (image-quality wise) and they start approaching you.

Yep.

To add- learn to shoot a really good head shot. MM is a glamour site. Network with MUAs, not so much models, because the MUAs know more people than you at this point. Find and few MUAs looking to build their books and start working together.

Feb 04 13 07:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leon Bailey
Posts: 522
Orlando, Florida, US


Have you tried Craigslist?
Feb 04 13 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,098
New York, New York, US


Your best bet to avoid any frustration is to pay them. Find ones that have a little experience but don't charge too much.
Feb 04 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ty Lockhart
Posts: 107
Louisville, Kentucky, US


I can relate to your question a lot, when I got back on this site I asked the same thing.

What is working for me on mayhem is insight shared from another photographer who books a lot of llamas on this site.

I'll pass it on to you: "One of the keys to booking is not to seem too anxious."

When I message the llamas on here, I don't give them tons of flattery-- and I mention upfront that I'm looking for TF shoots primarily.

I'm not trying to pay every llama who has a good look to pose for me.

Some of them ignore my message, but I was already prepared for that from reading other threads on this site.

None have flaked, yet, but I am prepared for that too and realize it comes with the territory.

In January, I booked 7 shoots, the only one I paid for was the nude shoot. Everything else was, and will be, TF.

Surprisingly none of my January bookings flaked...hoping February continues with that lucky streak.

Good luck to you and keep at it!
Feb 04 13 08:09 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,344
San Ramon, California, US


Tony Lawrence wrote:
Start by asking more models to shoot......   In other words, get cracking!

Wrong. Don't ask strangers to model for you on crack. Trust me on this. You'll think they're all cops and you wont be able to stop your bottom jaw moving from side to side. A few glasses of scotch and a bong hit works wonders big_smile

Feb 04 13 08:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Looknsee Photography
Posts: 20,454
Portland, Oregon, US


Network.

Understand that there is "passive networking" and "active networking". 

Example of "Passive Networking":
...  Using casting calls
...  Creating a profile (on MM or on other sites)
...  Putting an ad on Craigs List or in the paper
...  Starting a blog
...  etc.
What do these things have in common?  They all expect models to find you.

Examples of "Active Networking":
...  Contacting the models directly, via browse
...  Getting to know your local models & photographers & asking them for
     references & recommendations.
...  Approaching candidates on the street (and expect a high rejection rate).
...  Hiring an agency model.
What do these things have in common?  They all expect you to find models.

Do more active networking.  If you are sitting alone at home on your puter, chances are you are doing passive networking.
Feb 04 13 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Freez Frame Photography
Posts: 14
Pueblo, Colorado, US


Great tips and advice thank you everyone
Feb 04 13 09:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Freez Frame Photography wrote:
Great tips and advice thank you everyone

When I first started photographing models I was on omp at the time . But I had better luck handing out my business card at the local mall than I did with any OMP-related communication. And is the return really that different?

I saw someone I wanted to photograph, walked up and introduced myself, handed my card and said, "look at my work and if you're interested send me a message..." It took about 10 seconds.

It's not a great return. Maybe 1 out of 20 actually resulted in a shoot. But it was far less frustrating than the endless back

Feb 04 13 09:22 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Dekilah
Posts: 4,786
Detroit, Michigan, US


This is not solely on what you are asking, but it is on TF:

Dekilah's Ultra Helpful Guide to Approaching Models for TF

Also, I have a few more at: http://www.dekilah.com/article/
Feb 04 13 09:27 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
the lonely photographer
Posts: 1,810
Beverly Hills, California, US


I find llamas on Craigslist ... well  not terribly "photogenic",  a lot of meetups groups..."may" have some decent llamas. For the most part   they can be delusional. At least with MM you have an idea what the llama looks like, and have a 50/50 chance of getting him/her to work with you. A newbie might be a good bet  , just tell them you are a newbie  and you would like to work with them. Almost all the  llamas in my MM port are MM llamas,  The best thing is  they have become friends  and we continue to shoot. Part of the reason I even get llamas is because I don't shoot nudes,   as I've been told. Though some of them have suggested nude work,  I tell them "lets find a good reason  first".
A good way to increase your chances of a shoot.  Provide a competent MUA or HS, you may be a a crummy photographer (for now) but   your llamas will look good!
Feb 04 13 09:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MC Photo
Posts: 4,142
New York, New York, US


Freez Frame Photography wrote:
I'm new to the modeling industry and I'm having a hard time booking new models to work with. Does anyone have any good tip on going about this. Anything will help.

You're in the photography industry, not the modeling industry. That's the problem. Be in the photography industry and the models will come to you.

Feb 04 13 11:14 am  Link  Quote 
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