What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
You're right.

Who's defending him?

He's right?

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

And the counsel who defends Dorner (should he get due process) has no reason to be ashamed, nor should anyone else who actually believes in "innocent until proven guilty".

Those who are willing to try and convict a man based on the statements of the LAPD and on media reports based on those statements?

You are the ones that should be ashamed.

Christopher Hartman wrote:

I think after burning out his truck, he hiked a few miles to another car he has and took it to AZ or NV.  He'll ride things out for a bit and either try to disappear forever, or he'll come back to LA after things have cooled, make another hit and take off again.

I agree. What made them think he would attempt this all at once? He's smarter than that....they should know, they trained him.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
You're right.

Who's defending him?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
He's right?

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

oy vey

you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

Christopher Hartman wrote:
I think after burning out his truck, he hiked a few miles to another car he has and took it to AZ or NV.  He'll ride things out for a bit and either try to disappear forever, or he'll come back to LA after things have cooled, make another hit and take off again.

If we are going to speculate---

He seems to have been pretty organized in his "attack". There is "evidence" from San Diego all the way to Big Bear, leaving a huge area to "search", a huge drain on resources. This is certainly something he would know and understand with his military and police training.

If we are to believe he is acting out his "planned" attack on the LAPD and its partners then I agree, I think he had another vehicle staged in Big Bear, and was motoring away from the area long before the burning truck was even discovered.

I am willing to bet he was able to pretty much anticipate the response to the first murders and the escalated response after the assaults on the police officers. I would find it really easy to believe he had a safe house set up some distance from the Big Bear area, with food and supplies to allow him to vanish for a period of time...

But I may have read too many thrillers.

Kind of depends on what form his insanity has taken.

on a serious note:

To be 100% clear. I hope he is captured without any further loss of life, or injuries. I hope they can find a place where he can receive a fair trial by his peers. If he is found guilty, I hope he pays the full penalty under law.

Michael Bots wrote:
Or he knows enough about police procedure to pay somebody $500 to drive the truck to Big Bear with "borrowed" plates and torch it as a diversion.

Grow a beard - trim your eyebrows - use a "clean" drivers licence from a random 300 lb black guy.

Precisely…

Speculation is that he was trying to plant evidence in other places to throw police off, why not this too?

rfordphotos wrote:
To be 100% clear. I hope he is captured without any further loss of life, or injuries. I hope they can find a place where he can receive a fair trial by his peers. If he is found guilty, I hope he pays the full penalty under law.

Bingo. Well said.

GK photo wrote:
you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

Sure do.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

Sure do.

You know it

What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
You're right.

Who's defending him?

It would be like defending this guy.

California sheriff sued for shooting man for jaywalking
http://www.wcsh6.com/news/watercooler/a … jaywalking
http://www.sintelsystems.com/blog/2012/ … -released/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8rnOlhZslI

T wrote:
I could be very wrong but I don't think he's in the mountains.

More than likely he's not. I'd got that vibe when the car that he had was left there. More like a distraction to give the illusion that he's still there. This is a man who's been trained beyond cop tactics. I'm also wagering that he's not on his own. He's got help somewhere.

rfordphotos wrote:

If we are going to speculate---

He seems to have been pretty organized in his "attack". There is "evidence" from San Diego all the way to Big Bear, leaving a huge area to "search", a huge drain on resources. This is certainly something he would know and understand with his military and police training.

If we are to believe he is acting out his "planned" attack on the LAPD and its partners then I agree, I think he had another vehicle staged in Big Bear, and was motoring away from the area long before the burning truck was even discovered.

I am willing to bet he was able to pretty much anticipate the response to the first murders and the escalated response after the assaults on the police officers. I would find it really easy to believe he had a safe house set up some distance from the Big Bear area, with food and supplies to allow him to vanish for a period of time...

But I may have read too many thrillers.

Kind of depends on what form his insanity has taken.

on a serious note:

To be 100% clear. I hope he is captured without any further loss of life, or injuries. I hope they can find a place where he can receive a fair trial by his peers. If he is found guilty, I hope he pays the full penalty under law.

yeah, but the failed boat seizure throws a monkey wrench into all this "planning." i'd still bet he's near big bear, unless he was able to commandeer a vehicle, or he's either dead or holed up somewhere near there. saying this was all some giant plan is highly unlikely.

this guy also has a narcissistic personality disorder. he's way smarter (in his own mind) than he actually is.

the inflated (and more so by the media than by him) qualifications lends an air of invincibility to the guy, when in reality, he benefited from some bad weather at the right time.

his spree has been pretty sporadic to this point. irvine, san diego, corona, riverside and then the san berdo mountains. it's plain that without a vehicle, he's up against it. if he got another one, this could go on for a while.

Al Lock Photography wrote:
You are the ones that should be ashamed.

Jesus fucking christ. Unclench your asscheeks, holmes, you're going to suck the wind out of the entire room whilst on this little ideological crusade.

Newsflash, man, not everyone means things as literally as you do. WFP was making a crack about people in this thread defending him. Specifically, it's safe to say that he was implying that people were defending his alleged murders. Noone's doing that. You're not even doing that, you're really just belaboring the point that he deserves a fair trial. I happen to agree with that. I also think he's probably got some valid points in his manifesto.

But I don't defend those murders. Nor would most defense attorneys (who'd probably either try to make a deal or prove that he didn't do it [i](defending his innocence, not defending the murders committed).

GK photo wrote:

yeah, but the failed boat seizure throws a monkey wrench into all this "planning." i'd still bet he's near big bear, unless he was able to commandeer a vehicle, or he's either dead or holed up somewhere near there. saying this was all some giant plan is highly unlikely.

this guy also has a narcissistic personality disorder. he's way smarter (in his own mind) than he actually is.

the inflated (and more so by the media than by him) qualifications lends an air of invincibility to the guy, when in reality, he benefited from some bad weather at the right time.

his spree has been pretty sporadic to this point. irvine, san diego, corona, riverside and then the san berdo mountains. it's plain that without a vehicle, he's up against it. if he got another one, this could go on for a while.

You don't know that.

GK photo wrote:
you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Sure do.

without speaking for him/them, although it looks like they'd be quite satisfied with the punishment being meted out by an officer of the law, i didn't see anything that would suggest wfp doesn't believe a citizen isn't afforded their 6th or 14th amendment rights.

i'll let them speak for themselves.

Legacys 7 wrote:
You don't know that.

true, but i'll put money on it. in fact, i'd lay 10/1 i'm right. thre's only a very small slice of humanity that will resort to mass murder to make a point. ANY point.

GK photo wrote:

true, but i'll put money on it.

You sound more fixated with him than about the issue itself. Don't loose all of your money and mind wagering.

GK photo wrote:

true, but i'll put money on it. in fact, i'd lay 10/1 i'm right.

Now you're sounding, "narcissistic."

Legacys 7 wrote:
You sound more fixated with him than about the issue itself. Don't loose all of your money and mind wagering.

no, i really just want another murderer off the streets.

Legacys 7 wrote:
Now you're sounding, "narcissistic."

lol. okay. believe me, i've got one ex wife and numerous other ex gfs that would attest to that. i just know to draw the line at being a schmuck, not a murderous schmuck.

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. Unclench your asscheeks, holmes, you're going to suck the wind out of the entire room whilst on this little ideological crusade.

i just had to quote that as it's probably the funniest thing i've read in these fora for a long time.

GK photo wrote:

GK photo wrote:
you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Sure do.

without speaking for him/them, although it looks like they'd be quite satisfied with the punishment being meted out by an officer of the law, i didn't see anything that would suggest wfp doesn't believe a citizen isn't afforded their 6th or 14th amendment rights.

i'll let them speak for themselves.

Connor Photography wrote:

I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Hope so.

hassanchop wrote:

GK photo wrote:

GK photo wrote:
you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Sure do.

without speaking for him/them, although it looks like they'd be quite satisfied with the punishment being meted out by an officer of the law, i didn't see anything that would suggest wfp doesn't believe a citizen isn't afforded their 6th or 14th amendment rights.

i'll let them speak for themselves.

Connor Photography wrote:
I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

jesus, this is a quoting nightmare. like i said, i saw that while wfp would be quite satisfied with this guy being taken out by the law, they never said he wasn't worthy of due process, in the event he was captured.

where's that quote?

Guss W wrote:
I'll bet there are a lot of people in LA who would be happy to give him a hiding spot.

One Million Dollars reward -- I think the LAPD agrees with you.

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Those who are willing to try and convict a man based on the statements of the LAPD and on media reports based on those statements?

You are the ones that should be ashamed.

+1

GK photo wrote:
i just had to quote that as it's probably the funniest thing i've read in these fora for a long time.

Heh. I do what I can.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
Maybe he left his vehicle in Big Bear, calculating that the cops would think he left it there only to throw them off the track and make them THINK that he's not really in Big Bear, and therefor, he really IS in Big Bear.

Or maybe I've seen Princess Bride too many times.

Or maybe Anderson Cooper's hiding him in one of his mansions somewhere.

GK photo wrote:
his spree has been pretty sporadic to this point. irvine, san diego, corona, riverside and then the san berdo mountains.

I'm quite sure he ain't up in THESE San Berdo mountains (one of our several shoot locations in Mt. Baldy)... cause when you're hikin up here... tracks are EASY to follow...



Especially if you're a mermaid being stalked by a racoon...

hassanchop wrote:

GK photo wrote:

GK photo wrote:
you really think wfp was saying he wasn't worthy of due process?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Sure do.

without speaking for him/them, although it looks like they'd be quite satisfied with the punishment being meted out by an officer of the law, i didn't see anything that would suggest wfp doesn't believe a citizen isn't afforded their 6th or 14th amendment rights.

i'll let them speak for themselves.

Connor Photography wrote:
I doubt LAPD will let him to turn himself in.  They want to silent him on the spot, be done.

What Fun Productions wrote:
Hope so.

The best case scenario...He refuses to surrender, then the police shoot him in his manifesto sack and then a second shot to the head.

No trial, no 2-3 year media circus, no additional taxpayer exposure.

Al Lock Photography wrote:
Accusations are not facts.

And you can parse words all you want. Are you one of those who claims that the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were not murder?

Al, do you know the difference between MURDER and KILLING?

As for the 3 you listed, I do not recall those names from the history of the American Revolution.  If you want to change time periods/subjects, you should let me know so i can keep up with your dodging.

hahaha

accusations are not facts...what the fuck dude...seriously?  If he's NOT factually guilty of murder, then he won't be factually guilty of killing them either.  Unless he can prove that he was defending himself against them.  I really doubt he'll be able to pull that off.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

What Fun Productions wrote:
Anyone that defends Dorner should be ashamed.

He's right?

"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence."

Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

And the counsel who defends Dorner (should he get due process) has no reason to be ashamed, nor should anyone else who actually believes in "innocent until proven guilty".

Those who are willing to try and convict a man based on the statements of the LAPD and on media reports based on those statements?

You are the ones that should be ashamed.

Al, have you gotten lost?  they are talking about people in the thread.  Not legal defense.

GK photo wrote:

jesus, this is a quoting nightmare. like i said, i saw that while wfp would be quite satisfied with this guy being taken out by the law, they never said he wasn't worthy of due process, in the event he was captured.

where's that quote?

Sorry about the quote nightmare but I think it is pretty clear what that I hope so means.

Caradoc wrote:
At this stage it sounds an awful lot like Beck is saying, "Dorner, turn yourself in before we have to shoot at any more civilians because we're trying to kill *you*."

funny because when I read between the lines I came up with stay off the street because we are going to shoot first and try to make excuses and dodge the questions

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
Maybe he left his vehicle in Big Bear, calculating that the cops would think he left it there only to throw them off the track and make them THINK that he's not really in Big Bear, and therefor, he really IS in Big Bear.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Or maybe I've seen Princess Bride too many times.

No, that can't happen.

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
They'll probably shoot him on sight, along with any number of innocent bystanders in the general area.

That... OR... they'll use a drone and drop a 500 pound bomb on him... blowing him to smitherenes and killing a few hundred innocent people around him.  Typical police tactics these days... bomb and shoot first... ask questions later.  Interview those two poor newspaper delivery ladies... they'll tell ya...

Justin wrote:

Vivus Hussein Denuo wrote:
Maybe he left his vehicle in Big Bear, calculating that the cops would think he left it there only to throw them off the track and make them THINK that he's not really in Big Bear, and therefor, he really IS in Big Bear.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.


No, that can't happen.

True and true.