Lohkee wrote:

Did they offer any sources for their story?

I was casually listening to the radio while at work. You can stream KFI and other channels in your computer which are covering this story extensively.

T wrote:
I have plenty of family in law enforcement, from deputy police to Secret Service. I'm far from anti-police, but you know what... They need to value our lives as much as they value theirs. If I was gunned down in Compton tonight, there wouldn't be half as much effort to solve the crime.

The fact that they can open fire so damn recklessly is definitely not helping their cause. Tonight you are more endangered from the LAPD than the dude who's probably in Utah watching the news.

Little Queenie wrote:
There is a vast difference from a random shooting in a crime ridden inner-city and a planned and executed attack on a class of people and their families.

I highly doubt he has ran off too Utah. His manifesto leads no one to believe that he is going to run and hide. It's easy to be really complacent about this situation when you sit on the other side of the country.

3 people are dead.
The only officer killed wasn't LAPD.

you're damn right this is different than some worthless brown skinned ho' strangled in south central or yet another kid wearing the wrong colors and getting hit in a driveby.

these aren't  NHI type victims, this guy is hunting cops and their families.

so I understand why cops are wetting their pants.

but that still doesn't give them a free card to shoot up cars and people in those cars that sorta match the description of the guy they're looking for.

Little Queenie wrote:
I am not ignorant of the ills in law enforcement. But I am also not ignorant to the fact that aside from the daily threats officers face one as direct as this prevent them from effectively doing their jobs which is to protect us.

sorry, but you are ill-informed: June 2005 - The Supreme Court ruled that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm.

That whole protect and serve is NOT reserved for the citizens ... what is meant:

They protect the wealthy coffers and serve the laws to pad those coffers ...

Kincaid Blackwood wrote:

Ha!

You have to wonder though: presumably the truck was found abandoned and if they didn't get eyewitness reports of him leaving the vehicle (I mean, they could have and they just haven't told the public that) then they're doing the whole manhunt thing with the distinct possibility that he's not anywhere in the vicinity. He would have to know that they'd do that because he was a cop and he's had time to think this entire thing through.

exactly.

Patchouli Nyx wrote:

T wrote:
I have plenty of family in law enforcement, from deputy police to Secret Service. I'm far from anti-police, but you know what... They need to value our lives as much as they value theirs. If I was gunned down in Compton tonight, there wouldn't be half as much effort to solve the crime.

The fact that they can open fire so damn recklessly is definitely not helping their cause. Tonight you are more endangered from the LAPD than the dude who's probably in Utah watching the news.

you're damn right this is different than some worthless brown skinned ho' strangled in south central or yet another kid wearing the wrong colors and getting hit in a driveby.

these aren't  NHI type victims, this guy is hunting cops and their families.

so I understand why cops are wetting their pants.

but that still doesn't give them a free card to shoot up cars and people in those cars that sorta match the description of the guy they're looking for.

I am not even going to dignify that first paragraph with a response. That wasn't what I was saying at all. There are differences in crimes and criminals based on motive and cause. This criminals profile is not tht of your typical criminal. I in no way think that "brown skinned" people should have crimes against them ignored. I live in a large Hispanic community. I know exactly what you are referring to. If this guy was walking around targeting people based on race I would feel just passionately.

And cops are "wetting themselves" because this threat isn't typical to that normal violence they face. They are used to a threat posed to them, a direct threat of a criminal on their families is very uncommon.

And I never said that what they did was excusable...

Hero Foto wrote:

they're NOT a "class of people" ... they're are, by the very definition; an armed group of tax collectors ...

and there's NO difference in either scenario you presented ... PEOPLE were killed ...

you are trying to setup that holier than thou class of badge wearing tax collectors are better than the citizens they extort from ...

I have yet to pay my taxes to law enforcement.  It's collected by the State and Federal gov't.

Christopher Hartman wrote:

I think LL is a better match.  But both are a bit old I think. Rock seems to be Hollywood's flavor of the month so he'd probably be a front runner.

Cool J and Rock are in the same age category. In their 40's.

rfordphotos wrote:
Two wrongs certainly dont make a right...... If LAPD is still guilty of the institutional criminal behavior he claims they are guilty of, there are MANY ways to ultimately bring those crimes to light. I am sure they dont happen fast enough, and I wish they didnt need to happen at all, but corruption is part(sadly) of being human....power nearly always tempts those with it......it takes EXCEPTIONAL folks to have a lot of power, and yet not abuse it.

I'm curious as to your opinion of the men and women who rebelled against the crown and founded the United States of America. You know, those men who turned out at Lexington and Concord, who fought in Boston and New York and Yorktown...

Not defending Dorner - because I don't know if the facts justify his response... but I am not going to automatically assume that an institution should not be opposed by force in any circumstance.

Little Queenie wrote:
effectively doing their jobs which is to protect us.

I recommend you read: Castle Rock v. Gonzales

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-278.ZS.html

It is not the job of law enforcement to protect us. It is the job of law enforcement to enforce the law.

And to that end, law enforcement has been adopting more and more of a "us against them" mentality - and each of us who is not an LEO? Is part of the them.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

I'm curious as to your opinion of the men and women who rebelled against the crown and founded the United States of America. You know, those men who turned out at Lexington and Concord, who fought in Boston and New York and Yorktown...

Not defending Dorner - because I don't know if the facts justify his response... but I am not going to automatically assume that an institution should not be opposed by force in any circumstance.

No facts could come out that justify what he has done. I don't care how corrupt the LAPD is, the people he has taken his rage out on didn't deserve it.

Andialu wrote:
No facts could come out that justify what he has done. I don't care how corrupt the LAPD is, the people he has taken his rage out on didn't deserve it.

It is easy for you to say, you were not in his shoes.

netmodel wrote:
His ex girlfirend described him as a mentally disturbed.

So it's no wonder he's killing people and being delusional.

There are plenty good things have surfaced about the killer also.

Connor Photography wrote:

It is easy for you to say, you were not in his shoes.

Bullshit. You don't have to walk in someone's shoes to know that killing people completely unrelated to your grievance is not justified.

Andialu wrote:

Bullshit. You don't have to walk in someone's shoes to know that killing people completely unrelated to your grievance is not justified.

they are related to the grievance ... read the articles ...

Hero Foto wrote:
they are related to the grievance ... read the articles ...

I read the article. When I say related I mean active decision makers in the events that lead to his dismissal. They do not fall into that category.

Connor Photography wrote:

It is easy for you to say, you were not in his shoes.

and this makes me want to report you to the local authorities. This man may have been screwed and his life destroyed (I don't know) but for anybody to suggest his actions may be justifiable? I hope you are just internet crazy and don't really think this.

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

and this makes me want to report you to the local authorities. This man may have been screwed and his life destroyed (I don't know) but for anybody to suggest his actions may be justifiable? I hope you are just internet crazy and don't really think this.

HUH? report him for WHAT exactly ... ???

so the pd is justified in all their actions, but a citizen is not? and he's the crazy one?

did you read any of the articles on how this all started?

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

and this makes me want to report you to the local authorities. This man may have been screwed and his life destroyed (I don't know) but for anybody to suggest his actions may be justifiable? I hope you are just internet crazy and don't really think this.

Given that the LAPD has shot two little old ladies delivering newspapers, and rammed another man's truck before opening fire on him without so much as a warning, it has become quite clear that for whatever reasons the LAPD has decided that they do not want Dorner to be able to tell anyone else what his motives might be.

I have to wonder if he's somewhat correct in his assessment of the general character of those cops still working for the LAPD.

In any case, LAPD is currently doing the gunman's work for him, making themselves out to be fools at best, and quite possibly as the trigger-happy abusive bastards he claims them to be.

Caradoc wrote:

Given that the LAPD has shot two little old ladies delivering newspapers, and rammed another man's truck before opening fire on him without so much as a warning, it has become quite clear that for whatever reasons the LAPD has decided that they do not want Dorner to be able to tell anyone else what his motives might be.

I have to wonder if he's somewhat correct in his assessment of the general character of those cops still working for the LAPD.

In any case, LAPD is currently doing the gunman's work for him, making themselves out to be fools at best, and quite possibly as the trigger-happy abusive bastards he claims them to be.

I agree. LAPD is looking really bad. My point is that he has tarnished his credibility by killing innocent people. We are watching a story unfold that has no "good guy." It's sad to watch people take his bait and sympathize with him.

Andialu wrote:

No facts could come out that justify what he has done. I don't care how corrupt the LAPD is, the people he has taken his rage out on didn't deserve it.

So, those Hessian and British Soldiers? Did they deserve to die?

Caradoc wrote:

Given that the LAPD has shot two little old ladies delivering newspapers, and rammed another man's truck before opening fire on him without so much as a warning, it has become quite clear that for whatever reasons the LAPD has decided that they do not want Dorner to be able to tell anyone else what his motives might be.

I have to wonder if he's somewhat correct in his assessment of the general character of those cops still working for the LAPD.

In any case, LAPD is currently doing the gunman's work for him, making themselves out to be fools at best, and quite possibly as the trigger-happy abusive bastards he claims them to be.

Where in the fuck do you get any sense that I'm giving the LAPD a pass?

I think the LAPD (like many PD's) is full of frustrated animals with no sense or regard for law.

What in the fuck does that have to do with this crazy mother fucker murdering people?

Andialu wrote:

I agree. LAPD is looking really bad. My point is that he has tarnished his credibility by killing innocent people. We are watching a story unfold that has no "good guy." It's sad to watch people take his bait and sympathize with him.

And yet, if this gets people to look at LAPD and to do a real house-cleaning, he may very well have accomplished something.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

And yet, if this gets people to look at LAPD and to do a real house-cleaning, he may very well have accomplished something.

You make me sick, Al.

Hero Foto wrote:

HUH? report him for WHAT exactly ... ???

so the pd is justified in all their actions, but a citizen is not? and he's the crazy one?

did you read any of the articles on how this all started?

My sincere response to this would get me brigged.

Andialu wrote:
I agree. LAPD is looking really bad. My point is that he has tarnished his credibility by killing innocent people. We are watching a story unfold that has no "good guy." It's sad to watch people take his bait and sympathize with him.

Agreed. I thought he was most likely simply an aggrieved nutter before the LAPD started taking every opportunity to demonstrate that there's at least a grain of truth in that manifesto/diatribe he published.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

And yet, if this gets people to look at LAPD and to do a real house-cleaning, he may very well have accomplished something.

That's not going to happen.

Andialu wrote:

You make me sick, Al.

I'm not a sheep. I find it sad that some feel that the only way to live life is by being a sheep. You seem to be unwilling to admit that force can be used to accomplish something good even when used poorly or when innocent people die.

Life isn't the fantasy world you seem to think it is. Innocent people do die. Sometimes, those deaths actually accomplish something. And sometimes they don't.

It's up to those of us who don't die to determine if they do.

Al Lock Photography wrote:

And yet, if this gets people to look at LAPD and to do a real house-cleaning, he may very well have accomplished something.

Perhaps your logic applies in Bangkok. I hope not but if it does, keep it there.

Shon D.- Homme wrote:

That's not going to happen.

Unfortunately, I think you are probably correct. And how sad is it that the blatant incompetence of LAPD can be so clearly illustrated in the past few days and, in all liklihood, nothing will change?

Cuica Cafezinho wrote:

Perhaps your logic applies in Bangkok. I hope not but if it does, keep it there.

You live in a nation founded by revolution, yet unwilling to face the reality of what that means?

Al Lock Photography wrote:

I'm not a sheep. I find it sad that some feel that the only way to live life is by being a sheep. You seem to be unwilling to admit that force can be used to accomplish something good even when used poorly or when innocent people die.

Life isn't the fantasy world you seem to think it is. Innocent people do die. Sometimes, those deaths actually accomplish something. And sometimes they don't.

It's up to those of us who don't die to determine if they do.

You are truly dispicable.

Al Lock Photography wrote:
You live in a nation founded by revolution, yet unwilling to face the reality of what that means?

My nation was not founded on revolution. My nation is more complicated than that. But, you won't get that in the Cliffs Notes. You didn't even manage Cliffs Notes, did you?

Can we get back to the man that is killing innocent people?

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Cuica Cafezinho wrote:
My nation was not founded on revolution.

http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/

http://www.mce.k12tn.net/revolutionary_ … lution.htm

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/revwartimeline.htm

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstate … index.html

Since obviously the Cliff Notes weren't adequate for you to grasp...

Al Lock Photography wrote:

http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/

http://www.mce.k12tn.net/revolutionary_ … lution.htm

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/revwartimeline.htm

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstate … index.html

Since obviously the Cliff Notes weren't adequate for you to grasp...

He isn't defending liberty, Al. He's defending his name. And by killing and threatening people that don't deserve it he's only tarnishing it. There is no justification for what he is doing.

Andialu wrote:
Is this going to be the shooter's legacy? That he opened the dialogue for people to start using the same tactics as al Qaeda? The ends justify the means? What next, domestic suicide bombers becoming more frequent? Hey, what's a few innocents as long as a point is made, right Al?

The only people he is accused of killing (and last I heard, innocent until proven guilty was still the standard) are police and possibly some family of police.

Is it acceptable? I didn't say it was. I'm not defending Dorner. I will defend his rights - which includes a right to a trial by jury - and I will defend the concept that force is a legitimate method for opposing a government institution that misuses its power. In addition, I am pointing out that even when force is used inappropriately, whether by the PLO or Al-Queda or Dorner, we should look at what the reasons are that these people feel they need to go to those ends. We may not agree with them, but failure to consider them, failure to look to see if there is some legitimate grievance, something that we should address as citizens? Is a failure in our responsibilities as citizens and voters.

Don't understand that? Not my problem. It's your problem. You can be a sheep for all your life. You can take the line you get fed by the media about the crazy military-trained killer or you can think rationally and critically and ask yourself if the LAPD is to be believed in anything they say?

Andialu wrote:

He isn't defending liberty, Al. He's defending his name. And by killing and threatening people that don't deserve it he's only tarnishing it. There is no justification for what he is doing.

You claimed that there is never a justification for the death of innocents. Lots of innocents died in the war that founded the United States. Were they justified?

Al Lock Photography wrote:
You claimed that there is never a justification for the death of innocents. Lots of innocents died in the war that founded the United States. Were they justified?

Stay focused, Al. He's not founding a country. I'm talking about the situation at hand. Stop trying to obfuscate. I'm saying that the crimes he has allegedly confessed to are heinous and unjustified. Nothing more. Nothing less.