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Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,032
New York, New York, US


Harold Rose wrote:

The mind slows down at 30,   I sure feel sorry for you!!!

I learned more at the age of 30 then any other time in my life. I don't see that as slowing down...

Feb 08 13 11:26 am  Link  Quote 
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ChristerArt
Posts: 2,861
Cambridge, England, United Kingdom


GPS Studio Services wrote:
BTW, I am an old codger and shoot about 800 models a year.  I'd like to think it is my charm, but it is probably the fact that we pay them all.

LOL

Feb 08 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lou DiGesare
Posts: 156
Scotia, New York, US


Maybe its time for me to hang it up...?????  next one  "75"
Feb 08 13 11:34 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Jojo West
Posts: 972
Silver Spring, Maryland, US


To the OP, the photographer's age shouldn't really matter. It doesn't to me. If anything an older photographer would in most cases have more experience. He/She has had years to perfect their lighting techniques, they know which angles work, and they can direct a model better, if needed.

It varies from model to model but if I had to choose? I rather a much older photographer, like old enough to be my parent, my experiences with younger ones have been less enjoyable.

S W I N S K E Y wrote:
i get older and older, but the models stay around 17-25yo...

creepy knows no age limits....
its a matter of your model being comfortable...

i have seen countless creepy young photographers and creepy old ones.....

I love this!

Feb 08 13 11:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TouchofEleganceStudios
Posts: 5,160
Upland, California, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
i get older and older, but the models stay around 17-25yo...

creepy knows no age limits....
its a matter of your model being comfortable...

i have seen countless creepy young photographers and creepy old ones.....

I am not a creep..... I am not a creep.


Pervert.... well, maybe


smile

Feb 08 13 11:39 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jeffrey M Fletcher
Posts: 4,335
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Just tell them, "You are a timeless beauty, and I certainly have the decades of comparisons to make that statement."


and seriously op, if you're that worried about seeming creepy, it is an option to find some nice, attractive older people to photograph. Totally your choice.
Feb 08 13 11:53 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Caitin Bre
Posts: 1,923
Naperville, Illinois, US


Step Above Photography wrote:

I am not a creep..... I am not a creep.


Pervert.... well, maybe


smile

Pervert I can deal with! LOL Creep no way!

Feb 08 13 12:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Revenge Photography
Posts: 1,784
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


KonstantKarma wrote:
It does to model's jealous or insecure boyfriends. It's all fun and games until they realize I'm 26.

I'm 50 and still get the jealous/insecure boyfriend issue.

Feb 08 13 12:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Amul La La
Posts: 804
Plymouth, England, United Kingdom


How old is to old, should models that are 60 still be modelling?, (As an e.g I'm not saying they should or shouldn't).

It's how you feel.

I don't think you should discriminate against someone because of their age, why would a young model turn down a chance to work with an amazing photographer like Mario Testino, because his in his 60's nonsense, they'd have to be a completely senseless > and an age obsessed idiot (vice verse).
Feb 08 13 12:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
noir
Posts: 271
Crewe, England, United Kingdom


AaronPawlak wrote:
I do think the mind slows down in the years after 30.

Why would anyone approach somebody in a coffeshop when we have modelmayhem to use?

Dear Sir or Madam

Although I do now aspire to be a photographic person, I did previously perform as a model until, as I recollect, aged 38.

I wondered, therefore, whether you considered it might be possible the mind slowed down, somewhat, beyond the considerable age of three decades; and whether, perhaps, this behaviour might be a covert biological adaptive resonse to lure young whippersnappers into a false sense of secvurity.

Feb 08 13 01:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Kathleen Michaels
Posts: 9
Tehachapi, California, US


I do not have a problem with the age of a photographer. Never did. My first photographer was without a doubt twice my age (oh so many years ago). And now I don't mind shooting with photogs older or younger.

And I am not a young model... so maybe my thoughts do differ, but I agree with you, I am not here to find a date. Sometimes I get real frustrated at some of the guys who think that is what I am here for.

Kathleen
Feb 08 13 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 6,016
New York, New York, US


Bilsen Galleries wrote:
I actually think my age helps in some way (I'm 60).

Every model I work with can outrun me and half can probably beat me up so they are very comfortable shooting things they might not with someone more in their age category.

Me too!  Between my asthma, arthritis and pacemaker, any 20-something model that can't put me down if I were to get out of line doesn't need a photographer anyway.  She needs a gym membership!

Feb 08 13 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Connor Photography
Posts: 6,435
Elkton, Maryland, US


With all things equal, if I were a model, cute, beautiful and smart, I prefer the photographer who is not more than 10 years older than me.  Just in case I fall in love with him. 

I am just a simple person.  big_smile
Feb 08 13 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,844
Olivet, Michigan, US


Caitin   wrote:
I just now noticed something I have never paid any attention to in the past. Most photographers don't even post there age on there profile.

I'm not sure it's even on the choices, but I can't think of any reason to do so.

Feb 08 13 02:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 7,032
New York, New York, US


Rays Fine Art wrote:

Me too!  Between my asthma, arthritis and pacemaker, any 20-something model that can't put me down if I were to get out of line doesn't need a photographer anyway.  She needs a gym membership!

LMAO

Feb 08 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
nyk fury
Posts: 2,918
Port Townsend, Washington, US


Yippieskip wrote:
It depends on the photographer, but for the most part I will say that yes, for me it definitely does matter. I put eroticism into everything I shoot and I'm sorry, but if you look old enough to be my grandfather, it's not easy for me to bounce that sexual energy off you.

ouch.

Feb 08 13 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
WIP
Posts: 15,368
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
i have seen countless creepy young photographers and creepy old ones.....

Where have you seen them ? and what do they look like ?

Feb 08 13 02:50 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SPRINGHEEL
Posts: 38,135
Gibraltar, Michigan, US


Smells like Ben-Gay and sadness in here
Feb 08 13 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Virtual Studio
Posts: 5,605
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Yippieskip wrote:
It depends on the photographer, but for the most part I will say that yes, for me it definitely does matter. I put eroticism into everything I shoot and I'm sorry, but if you look old enough to be my grandfather, it's not easy for me to bounce that sexual energy off you.

I know what you mean - I cant get that erotic vibe unless I have a raging erection  during the shoot.....

Some models say that me having to be sexually aroused during the shoot is creepy - but some seem to do juuuust fine wink

Feb 08 13 06:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Michael Scot
Posts: 860
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, US


Randall_Oelerich wrote:
Curious what models think on this topic? I am mid-fifty, though as anybody over 30 will tell you we stop aging mentally at about age 30, a cruelty of biology to feel 30 but be trapped in an aging body (I look at older and old people now a lot different, realizing inside they are 30 though their skin sags and their hair thins and the bones weaken). The nature of models is pretty much self-selecting for beauty and a young age range of 16 to perhaps 30 at most. So we have photographers of whatever age, and young beautiful models-- does the age of the photographer matter to you models?  Does doing photoshoots with photographers twice your age bother you? What about even much older photographers say 65+, would that turn you off or would you look at that as a plus at having someone with more experience and skill to help you the model improve your portfolio and career?  As a photographer, I am not looking to date models, just photograph them as I just plain love the visual arts (especially the human form) as well as other artforms (I write and also compose music). But in any other venue, it could look odd, dare i say a bit creepy, to pair up much older photographers and much younger beautiful models especially if of opposite genders. What got me thinking on this was reading a thread yesterday about how photographers find models, and how we photographers over a certain age wonder about approaching young beautiful models at e.g. a coffeeshop, as that can come off as a bit creepy given wide age differences.

You're fine, age should actually work to your advantage for a number of reasons, but this is mostly an internal issue that every artist has to deal with, and being well preserved comes with it's own set of challanges.  In any case, those folks have to own their judgements, and life is too short for me to burden their short comings, got my own to deal with.

No matter where you find yourself in the equation, there are stigmas attached to all of our efforts, sooner or later you just have to arrive at "I don't care what others think" and do it for yourself.  Certainly that has to be balanced, as it can be taken out of context, but letting go of that will allow you to get to a place where you create for the sake of creating, and I think your art will arrive at a more authentic place.

Feb 08 13 07:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotografica Gregor
Posts: 4,068
Alexandria, Virginia, US


I am soon to be 63.

The models I work with don't seem to care -  regardless of their age or the content of the shoot -

we get along fine -   it has evolved that a few of my close friends are models....
Feb 08 13 07:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Fine Wine
Posts: 226
Orange, California, US


For me it is just the opposite.  Since I am a mature model I am quite comfortable working with older photographers. Often older photographers actually appreciate mature women.


I have to admit I might feel a little weird shooting nudes with a 20 something year old photographer. I might feel a little like Mrs. Robinson.
Feb 11 13 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
MelissaAnn
Posts: 3,862
Seattle, Washington, US


I like 'em really old or really young....it's the middle aged ones that scare me.
Feb 11 13 10:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 10,227
Los Angeles, California, US


Most llamas I've met say that older guys tend to be somewhat creepier or odd.  I can honestly say that most of the ones that pick up a camera in their later years (say...late 30's ) probably do come across that way from my observations at the studio I work at.  From watching them shoot I wouldn't say it's the age thing though, I've noticed more-so that it's the fact that older guys tend to not be able to communicate effectively with younger women.  I think that just creates a situation where there's a possibility for awkward moments/silence/confusion.  Considering some of these guys are 40-50 years old, and the girls are maybe 18-25 it just seems to me like there's a sort of disconnect as far as being able to relate to one another.  Communication with a llama is key to getting quality images as it both gets your ideas and goals across and also puts a llama into a sort of comfort zone with you as a relative stranger all things considered.  So I can see why some llamas (at least the couple I've spoken to about the subject) might be a little iffy about working with someone with which there's a large age gap.
Feb 11 13 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sophia Be
Posts: 6,347
Portland, Oregon, US


I'm not sure how I'd feel shooting with a minor since I shoot mostly sexy stuff, otherwise, I couldn't care less.

Not sure if I count though, since apparently I'm old roll
Feb 11 13 10:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DougBPhoto
Posts: 37,848
Portland, Oregon, US


MelissaAnn  wrote:
I like 'em really old or really young....it's the middle aged ones that scare me.

yikes





hmm










tongue

Feb 11 13 10:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Jules NYC
Posts: 16,027
New York, New York, US


Not at all.

One of my favorite pictures was taken by a man old enough to be my father.
In fact, he's one of my good friends and a very interesting person.
I enjoy his company and he's the quintessential Hollywood glamour photographer.

He's oddly into some weird shit and amusingly perverted. Our friendship is completely platonic but he's just one fucking cool dude.

He's not repressed in the slightest.

And I'm a fashion model, not a glamour model.
Despite this fact, I find myself in another time when I'm shooting with him.

Honestly he doesn't understand editorial makeup and the work I usually do. He primarily shoots women with big tits in very sexual circumstances.
He's a filmmaker and a very creative person.

We shoot the shit and exchange creative ideas all the time. Albeit he's much older than me I believe he respects my opinion as I do his. He pushes my limits even though I'm a fashion model. I feel very elegant and sexy when I shoot with him.

He is brutally honest with me as I with him.
I think he pushes me to a new creative level.

I know that there is fashion glamour photography which I believe I could do well. Period stuff is my forte.

So back to the question.
Not a lick.
Feb 11 13 10:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Barely StL
Posts: 765
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Jojo West wrote:
To the OP, the photographer's age shouldn't really matter. It doesn't to me. If anything an older photographer would in most cases have more experience. He/She has had years to perfect their lighting techniques, they know which angles work, and they can direct a model better, if needed.

It varies from model to model but if I had to choose? I rather a much older photographer, like old enough to be my parent, my experiences with younger ones have been less enjoyable.

Definitely my kinda model!

Feb 11 13 11:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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KungPaoChic
Posts: 2,893
West Palm Beach, Florida, US


IMO

the only thing that should matter is the work.
Feb 11 13 11:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
JohnnyK
Posts: 382
Calabasas, California, US


Yippieskip wrote:
It depends on the photographer, but for the most part I will say that yes, for me it definitely does matter. I put eroticism into everything I shoot and I'm sorry, but if you look old enough to be my grandfather, it's not easy for me to bounce that sexual energy off you.

Yippieskip means what she says.  Here's a quote from her profile:

Prejudices- I am here not only to work, but to create the best images possible. That is my job; and certain things can help or hinder my ability to do my job.
1. Mustaches. Think Tom Sellack. If you have a mustache, good for you. Enjoy your mustache. But if you want to have a mustache and shoot with me, I will probably be introverted, despondent, uncomfortable, and unable to look you in the face. Think of it as if I had a phobia of spiders, and you showed up with a tarantula... on your face. All other forms of facial hair (beards, goatees, soul patches, mutton chops, etc.) are dandy, but I cannot handle mustaches.
2. Age. Modeling is a very sensual, erotic thing to me. I need to be able to bounce that energy off of my photographer and if you look like you could be my grandfather it is pretty impossible to be turned on and sexy in front of you, I'm sorry.
I work best with reasonably attractive 25 - 48 year old (looking) men who have no problem directing and know what they are going for.

Feb 12 13 09:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotticelli
Posts: 12,072
Lorton, Virginia, US


Randall_Oelerich wrote:
Actually studies show the mind hits its peak 'wisdom' around age 50.

Very true. There is a reason why most politicians, thinkers, scientists and artists peak at middle age and later. Some specific mental abilities start to deteriorate after 15 when biologically we are no longer children and no longer programmed by nature to just  learn. I was clueless at 30. I should say I was clueless as compared to now (I'm 52) because some would say that I'm still clueless. As a photographer I sucked much worse at 30 than I suck now.

Feb 12 13 11:02 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Boreal Photography
Posts: 292
Duluth, Minnesota, US


Fotticelli wrote:

Very true. There is a reason why most politicians, thinkers, scientists and artists peak at middle age and later. Some specific mental abilities start to deteriorate after 15 when biologically we are no longer children and no longer programmed by nature to just  learn. I was clueless at 30. I should say I was clueless as compared to now (I'm 52) because some would say that I'm still clueless. As a photographer I sucked much worse at 30 than I suck now.

I met a guy in the fitness center locker room a couple of years ago, he was 85. I asked him if he had any advice. He said he didn't know sheeeet about life until he was 60. Then he said to read The Sun Also Rises by Hemingway, said that book had everything you needed to know about life in it. smile

Feb 12 13 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
The Red Menace
Posts: 26
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


Bilsen Galleries wrote:
I actually think my age helps in some way (I'm 60).

Every model I work with can outrun me and half can probably beat me up so they are very comfortable shooting things they might not with someone more in their age category.

Lol, I like this- I've actually thought this before "Yep, even if things turn bad, I reckon I could outrun this guy." Although I've known some pretty fit older men.

Seriously though, forget age- only thing that puts me off is if a photographer flirts with me a lot and doesn't realise that the energy isn't being returned at all.

Feb 15 13 08:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ImageCRAFTbyAleks
Posts: 30
Albany, New York, US


Jules NYC wrote:
Not at all.

One of my favorite pictures was taken by a man old enough to be my father.
In fact, he's one of my good friends and a very interesting person.
I enjoy his company and he's the quintessential Hollywood glamour photographer.

He's oddly into some weird shit and amusingly perverted. Our friendship is completely platonic but he's just one fucking cool dude.

He's not repressed in the slightest.

And I'm a fashion model, not a glamour model.
Despite this fact, I find myself in another time when I'm shooting with him.

Honestly he doesn't understand editorial makeup and the work I usually do. He primarily shoots women with big tits in very sexual circumstances.
He's a filmmaker and a very creative person.

We shoot the shit and exchange creative ideas all the time. Albeit he's much older than me I believe he respects my opinion as I do his. He pushes my limits even though I'm a fashion model. I feel very elegant and sexy when I shoot with him.

He is brutally honest with me as I with him.
I think he pushes me to a new creative level.

I know that there is fashion glamour photography which I believe I could do well. Period stuff is my forte.

So back to the question.
Not a lick.

Kudos on appreciating and acknowledging a great person to collaborate with!

Feb 22 13 12:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
IDiivil
Posts: 3,982
Burbank, California, US


I have worked with photographers ranging from 20-23 to 70+.

Age does not matter. I have amazing shots from both the young and the old smile Creativity and talent does not discriminate in this regard!
Feb 22 13 12:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


Caitin   wrote:
I just now noticed something I have never paid any attention to in the past. Most photographers don't even post there age on there profile.

Maybe because it doesn't matter?

And also, there is no setting in a photographer account to display it... wink

Either way, would it make any difference to you if I listed my age as 18 or 80?




Just my $0.02

Ciao
Stefano

www.stefanobrunesci.com

Feb 22 13 01:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


Step Above Photography wrote:
I am not a creep..... I am not a creep.
Pervert.... well, maybe smile

letting us know you are a pervert, in no way grants you license, to act like a pervert with your models...

"i told her her i was a pervert when we first met, so i should be able to grab her ass without retribution"

umm no, you should have your head caved in with a ball peen hammer...

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Feb 22 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
i have seen countless creepy young photographers and creepy old ones.....
c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Where have you seen them ? and what do they look like ?

i used to rent out my studio. a lot of times i was asked for help out with light or equipment. I witnessed more inappropriate behavior then i could document.

and they look like everyone else..

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Feb 22 13 01:27 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digital Photo PLUS
Posts: 5,503
Lorton, Virginia, US


Randall_Oelerich wrote:

I met a guy in the fitness center locker room a couple of years ago, he was 85. I asked him if he had any advice. He said he didn't know sheeeet about life until he was 60. Then he said to read The Sun Also Rises by Hemingway, said that book had everything you needed to know about life in it. smile

I bet he would think that we are young and stupid for all the running around and taking pictures.

Feb 22 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Rosemarie Bennet
Posts: 144
Warrington, Pennsylvania, US


I definitely care more about the experience and how good their port is... Honestly, I could care less about the age of the photographer I'm shooting with.
Feb 22 13 03:20 pm  Link  Quote 
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