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Blue Ash Film Group
Posts: 9,157
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


I have had a model contacting me wanting some "old Hollywood" glamour nude photos taken. She wrote "think royalty meets sex with an old Hollywood feel". Of course I asked her for some examples and will discuss concepts with her, but internet searches on the topic haven't yielded very many good results yet. Do any of you have any suggestions on web sites to look at, or specific people to study to get some ideas?
Feb 11 13 01:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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Motordrive Photography
Posts: 2,105
Lodi, California, US


I don't think this this is exactly what you are looking for, but I love
classic glamour and get inspiration from Hurrell
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/18862720
Feb 11 13 01:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Motordrive Photography
Posts: 2,105
Lodi, California, US


when I shoot another in that style, I'l try to go with a silver B.D.
for a little harder light and more spectrality
Feb 11 13 01:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Swank Photography
Posts: 18,967
Key West, Florida, US


Blue Ash Film Group wrote:
I have had a model contacting me wanting some "old Hollywood" glamour nude photos taken. She wrote "think royalty meets sex with an old Hollywood feel". Of course I asked her for some examples and will discuss concepts with her, but internet searches on the topic haven't yielded very many good results yet. Do any of you have any suggestions on web sites to look at, or specific people to study to get some ideas?

Something like this maybe??? 18+ http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/13 … a003c4.jpg

Feb 11 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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testingphotography
Posts: 184
Seattle, Washington, US


Google "Peter Gowland" he was the "king" of Hollywood bathing suit/nude photography.
Feb 11 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rick Edwards
Posts: 6,150
Wilmington, Delaware, US


Swank Photography wrote:

Something like this maybe??? 18+ http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/13 … a003c4.jpg

nice Bettie Page feel to it.

I was thinking Hurrell as well and Cecil Beaton, never seen any published nudes by either, definitely glamour

Feb 11 13 01:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sourcelight Photography
Posts: 238
BOISE, Idaho, US


David Reams Photography wrote:
Google "Peter Gowland" he was the "king" of Hollywood bathing suit/nude photography.

Have to agree.  Here's a link to Gowland's own site with all kinds of interesting information:

http://www.petergowland.com/default.htm

Specifically, here's a direct link to the best glamour page, complete with a few explanations about lighting setups:

http://www.petergowland.com/glamour5.html

Feb 11 13 02:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Toto Photo
Posts: 2,017
Belmont, California, US


Motordrive Photography wrote:
I don't think this this is exactly what you are looking for, but I love
classic glamour and get inspiration from Hurrell
http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/18862720

Old Hollywood means Hurrell to me too.

Feb 11 13 02:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Earth Bound Art
Posts: 1,206
Lake Wylie, South Carolina, US


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toesup
Posts: 902
Templeton, California, US


Feb 11 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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toesup
Posts: 902
Templeton, California, US


Earth Bound Art wrote:
Here you go...

Lovely shots!..

Feb 11 13 02:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,667
New York, New York, US


Not nude, but definitely in the style: http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110608/07/4def890dc273b_m.jpg

You might want to browse http://thepinupfiles.com/  I think you'll find some there.
Feb 11 13 03:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,463
Walnut Creek, California, US


Nice!  Fits the thread topic!

But just one worthless opinion. smile

Feb 11 13 03:19 pm  Link  Quote 
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Daeda1us
Posts: 1,067
Little Rock, Arkansas, US


Hollywood nudes always makes me think of Marilyn and the red velvet pics.

http://weheartvintage.co/2012/07/27/mar … t-session/
Feb 11 13 03:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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You Can Call Me Pierre
Posts: 712
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Bunny Yeager used ceiling bounce for Bettie Page.
Feb 11 13 03:23 pm  Link  Quote 
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Guss W
Posts: 10,546
Clearwater, Florida, US


Nude old Hollywood doesn't really have much to pick from, since the studios didn't want to taint their prime stars.

Instead, you might do some searching on Ziegfeld Girls, who were sometimes photographed without their costumes.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ziegfel … 50&bih=879
Feb 11 13 03:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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Earth Bound Art
Posts: 1,206
Lake Wylie, South Carolina, US


toesup wrote:
Lovely shots!..

Thank you!

Feb 11 13 04:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Earth Bound Art
Posts: 1,206
Lake Wylie, South Carolina, US


Nor-Cal Photography wrote:

Nice!  Fits the thread topic!

But just one worthless opinion. smile

Worthless opinion, never! Thanks

Feb 11 13 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Philip of Dallas
Posts: 774
Dallas, Texas, US


I'm a big fan of Old Hollywood style and pinup. I don't think Hurrell did many nudes, but here's some relevant examples of his work.
http://www.shesmetoo.com/one-of-my-thre … e-hurrell/

I my mind, shooting an 'Old Hollywood style glamour nude' would include a combination of very focused lighting, nice shadow effects, and period makeup, along with Vargas type pinup poses . . . and of course a nude subject. smile
Feb 11 13 05:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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Zack Zoll
Posts: 2,078
Glens Falls, New York, US


There were no soft boxes then, since the lights were all stupid hot.  Sometimes they would shoot through a silkscreen though.  Typically you would see screens, bounces, and a TON of barn doors/scrims/gobos/cookies/etc.  Basically, it was the same lighting they used for films, but with Vaseline smeared all over the lens.

Gowland was a good recommendation ... I think he shot the image of Rita Heyworth that ended up getting painting on all those bombers.  Also, google Kim Novak for a slightly modernized version.  You could be at that a while.  We'll wait smile


Since this was done mostly with video lights, I'd recommend watching some old movies.  Orson Welles was a big influence on how I used to light.
Feb 11 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
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Barely StL
Posts: 742
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


The Old Hollywood glamour style was the style employed by photographers who worked for the major US movie studios from roughly the 1920’s through the 1940’s. (Pick your dates.)

George Hurrell is the best known of these photographers. Bruno Bernard (Bernard of Hollywood) was also well-known for this style, and there were others. Because of the era and the clients, to my knowledge there are no examples of Old Hollywood glamour nudes from these photographers.

While he was an icon ca. the 1950's and 1960's, Gowland was more of a cheesecake glamour-style photographer.

The main elements of the style are lighting, poses and wardrobe. For your purposes, lighting and posing are the keys.

The lighting was high contrast, generally provided by thousands of watts of hot lights – mostly spotlights, although focusing floodlights (which don’t have a Fresnel lens but can still be focused to emulate a spotlight) such as some of the Mole-Richardson 2k lights.

Broncolor and other strobe manufacturers used to make spotlight heads as part of their pack-and-head systems. I don't now of any manufacturer who makes them now. However, if you use Photogenic or PCB strobes, you can use these to temporarily convert your strobes to spotlights:

http://www.tallyns.com/tpp/amazing/item … =turbospot

Books of Hurrell’s photos will give you a feel for the genre. These are the best sources I’ve found on using Old Hollywood-style lighting.

http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Style-L … B001VXQ8HE

http://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Portrai … d+lighting



Here’s an Old Hollywood-style photo from my other MM portfolio. It was made using about 4,000 watts of hot lights – a Mole-Richardson 2k focusing flood and three spotlights. A 2x3-foot wooden cookie (cuculoris, cucaloris, cucoloris – I don’t think anyone knows which is the correct spelling these days) was used over the 2k.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120115/22/4f13bfe0bcd6f_m.jpg
Feb 11 13 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Brooklyn Bridge Images
Posts: 8,776
Brooklyn, New York, US


Model should supply examples since whatever you find may not be what she has in mind
Feb 11 13 05:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 35,329
Columbus, Ohio, US


Hurrell
Hands down, the master.

IF you wish to go early early, Google Alfred Cheney Johnston
Feb 11 13 05:54 pm  Link  Quote 
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Blue Ash Film Group
Posts: 9,157
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Thank you for all the great replies so far. Hurrell was also the first person I thought of, and reading this thread has reminded me that I own a Gowland book that is stored away somewhere. I also appreciate the technique advice some have offered.
Feb 11 13 09:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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Philip of Dallas
Posts: 774
Dallas, Texas, US


Here's some very interesting photos of Hurrell in his studio, shooting Jane Russell. Check out the lighting setup.
http://www.picturechina.com.cn/bbs/wate … QwMi5qcGc=
Feb 11 13 09:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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You Can Call Me Pierre
Posts: 712
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Those Baby Solarpots are awfully close.  She would be melting if they are fitted with 1000-watt bulbs.
Feb 11 13 10:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Photos by Lorrin
Posts: 6,833
Eugene, Oregon, US


Maybe Ruth Bernard.

She did nudes during that era but no Hollywood people that I know of.

Karsh is another name from that era - I know of no nudes he shot.

Willam Mortensen (sp) did fairly elaborate Hollywood type sets. (saw them years ago.) Did a lot of photoshopping before there were even computers.  Known for "Monsters and Madonnas" book.  I think he did nudes.
Feb 12 13 01:26 am  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 4,791
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Ruth Berhnard (no relation to Bruno Bernard - different spellings) was a very accomplished photographer of that era. While you may want to look at Bernhard's work, I wouldn't classify it as Old Hollywood-style.

Imo, Yousuf Karsh was the finest portrait photographer ever. He shot every US president from Hoover to Clinton and, if I'm not mistaken, did the official portaits of every president from Hoover to the first President Bush.

President Clinton wanted to be photographed by Karsh, who was in failing health by Clinton's presidency. Karsh was summoned from Canada (his studio was in Ottawa for most if not all of his career, although he traveled the world photographing the rich, influential and famous) to photograph Clinton in New York. If my memory is correct, the shoot took place in Gramercy Park. The photos of Clinton were the last ones that Karsh took.

Karsh photographed heads of state, military leaders, famous authors and musicians, playwrights and composers, captains of industry and actors and actresses by the dozens. Time studying Karsh's work would be well-spent, but I wouldn't classify Karsh's style as Old Hollywood either.

Karsh's style was his own. Low-key lighting, for the most part, with rich tones in black-and-white until late in his career (when color film became available). Not only was he very skilled technically, but he had tremendous ability to make photos that provided insight into his subjects.

As far as I'm concerned, Karsh was one of the four best photographers of all time - along with Ansel Adams, Richard Avedon and Alfred Eisenstaedt.

Mortensen was an educator and prolific photographer and author of numerous books on photography, several of which I've owned at one time or another. I'm sure I haven't seen all of his work, and I don't recall his Hollywood-style photos.
Feb 12 13 03:06 am  Link  Quote 
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devpics
Posts: 831
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


Great link Guss !
Feb 12 13 03:52 am  Link  Quote 
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devpics
Posts: 831
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia


I should try looking under images for famous Golden Age actresses and then duplicate the lighting style & soft focus for your Nude shots
Feb 12 13 03:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Blue Ash Film Group
Posts: 9,157
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


Thanks! There is a lot of good information to look at here.
Feb 12 13 04:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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River Art
Posts: 73
Kansas City, Kansas, US


I think this a friend captured may be what you're looking for:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31499049  18+

This one is more implied from my other port:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27735797
Feb 13 13 09:02 am  Link  Quote 
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cinema photography
Posts: 4,335
Mission Viejo, California, US


Since old Hollywood/hurrell is a specialty of mine, have a look in my port and on my website if ya like
Feb 13 13 09:09 am  Link  Quote 
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cinema photography
Posts: 4,335
Mission Viejo, California, US


dp bug
Feb 13 13 09:10 am  Link  Quote 
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Barely StL
Posts: 742
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


River Art wrote:
I think this a friend captured may be what you're looking for:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/31499049  18+

This one is more implied from my other port:

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/27735797

The top photo is very close to what I've had in mind. The contrast is lower than most Old Hollywood shots - but it just about has to be. I seriously doubt the lighting ratios used by Hurrell, Bernard, et. al., on 8x10 b&w film would fit within the range of today's CCD's. Plus very high contrast ratios generally don't look good in color photos of people.

One feature of the original Old Hollywood look that I neglected to mention is bold geometrical shapes, often in dark shadows on light backgrounds.

Feb 13 13 09:55 am  Link  Quote 
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cinema photography
Posts: 4,335
Mission Viejo, California, US


Barely StL wrote:
The top photo is very close to what I've had in mind. The contrast is lower than most Old Hollywood shots - but it just about has to be. I seriously doubt the lighting ratios used by Hurrell, Bernard, et. al., on 8x10 b&w film would fit within the range of today's CCD's. Plus very high contrast ratios generally don't look good in color photos of people.

One feature of the original Old Hollywood look that I neglected to mention is bold geometrical shapes, often in dark shadows on light backgrounds.

it's ALL about lighting, pose, makeup and what the model wears. That will make or break a shot in this genre.

Feb 13 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,524
Plainview, Texas, US


I'd look at Hurrell, Bull and the rest of the classics, then re-imagine that sort of looks without clothes.

What I think of as Hollywood glamor was usually done under close supervision by the studios and nudes were mostly off limits. I've seen a few of Harlow, but can't think of any others offhand.

As a technical tip, those photographers were typically using relatively hard, high-contrast lighting with low-contrast, flair-prone lenses - pretty much the opposite of what most of us use today. A beauty dish is a good place to start.
Feb 13 13 10:18 am  Link  Quote 
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Silver Mirage
Posts: 1,524
Plainview, Texas, US


Another thought: Do an image search for Ziegfeld Follies or Ziegfeld girl.

These are a little earlier than the prime Hollywood era and maybe predate the style, but Flo Ziegfeld didn't have any problem with his girls posing nude.
Feb 13 13 10:24 am  Link  Quote 
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John Wishard
Posts: 1,896
Fallbrook, California, US


Wow a lot of good references and good advice here! I'm enjoying this thread and the insights...

Here is my amateurish attempt at a vintage nude(18+) http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/11591650
Feb 13 13 11:38 am  Link  Quote 
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The Something Guy
Posts: 14,846
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


The Hollywood glamour / stars photographers has lenses especially made up which were very slightly' out of' in regards to focus giving that soft effect.
Feb 13 13 01:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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