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allison mindy
Posts: 1,495
New York, New York, US


To reply to the people who are saying that they are having problems with a model showing up who does not look like her photos, you can always request an unedited photo and/or check references.
Feb 12 13 09:37 am  Link  Quote 
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JAE
Posts: 2,103
West Chester, Pennsylvania, US


I don't think it would help me much.  A good portfolio and references are enough for me.

I shoot a lot of traveling models who wouldn't have the time.  For local TF stuff it can be hit or miss.  I just accept that and if I get to try out some new lighting set ups I am happy.

For bigger commercial projects, weddings, etc. it seems like something that may be helpful.  But I do not have any experience in those fields.
Feb 12 13 09:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Francisco Castro
Posts: 1,676
Cincinnati, Ohio, US


money_train wrote:
I read that "why pay model" thread, sounds more than 90% of model are Not worth to pay.

Does photographer need pre meeting with model before booking?

only for less than 10 mins, take few test shots and have a quick chat.

I understand it could waste model's time, however is it a good idea to do so?

I don't require a face-to-face meet, but I make it clear that before I agree to a shoot, I need a phone call. It's right on my profile.

If a model can't spare 5 minutes talking with me on the phone to discuss her shoot, then I won't bother wasting the hours it takes to shoot, and the hours it takes to edit.

Feb 12 13 09:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


No. Not for what I do - it's a waste of time and petrol.

Only ever done it once - the model's idea - we met in a local cake & coffee shop. I took my 2 year-old daughter along as an escort (for reasons of personal safety, you understand) and let her wipe cream on the model's trouser leg, which I found mildly amusing.

Shot her about four months later, by which time she'd gained 'a bit' of weight and gone from blonde to brunette.

So, utterly pointless.
Feb 12 13 09:45 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,619
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


RKD Photographic wrote:
No. Not for what I do - it's a waste of time and petrol.

Only ever done it once - the model's idea - we met in a local cake & coffee shop. I took my 2 year-old daughter along as an escort (for reasons of personal safety, you understand) and let her wipe cream on the model's trouser leg, which I found mildly amusing.

Shot her about four months later, by which time she'd gained 'a bit' of weight and gone from blonde to brunette.

So, utterly pointless.

Having the meeting four months before the shoot was utterly pointless. Having it four days before the shoot and you may have had a different opinion on the importance of the meeting.

Feb 12 13 09:48 am  Link  Quote 
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terrysphotocountry
Posts: 4,064
Rochester, New York, US


NO: I can get all the info that I need threw e. mail. Self image via e. mail, Them of the photo session, Studio or not. Escorts or NOT! etc.
Feb 12 13 09:52 am  Link  Quote 
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Thyronne
Posts: 1,355
Huntington Beach, California, US


I would prefer to meet before hand, if not only to see the current look but also to break the ice and get a sense of how our personalities mesh, sometimes on the day of the shoot, I'm so involved getting everything setup and running I don't have time for the niceties.  Of course, we seldom meet before hand, as much as an inconvenience for me as the model, and things work out just fine.
Feb 12 13 09:56 am  Link  Quote 
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AJ_In_Atlanta
Posts: 12,539
Atlanta, Georgia, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
in the real world, we have "go sees" where a llama needs to show up in person, in order to casted for a particular job.

existing images are not always indicative of a llamas look..

I will never understand why this is so strange in Internet llamaing, it's been the norm for decades.

Feb 12 13 10:12 am  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,529
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Good Egg Productions wrote:
All I have is my own experience to report.

1000+ shoots.
500+ unique different people

1 pre shoot meeting requested by the model.

That shoot went poorly.


I see it as a complete waste of time for both parties.  Pre-shoot meetings are important for wedding clients.  They're useless (in my experience) for model shoots.

my numbers are lower but essentially the same. Meeting for tea and crumpets is a good dietary source of crumpets (I have plenty of tea at home).

Feb 12 13 10:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,529
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


AJScalzitti wrote:

I will never understand why this is so strange in Internet modeling, it's been the norm for decades.

this is actually simple.  there is so much time wasted on the whole "the world is a dangerous place" silliness that when a real reason to do (or not do) something comes up it gets lost in the shuffle.

Feb 12 13 10:21 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Fotticelli
Posts: 12,075
Lorton, Virginia, US


money_train wrote:
Does photographer need pre meeting with model before booking?

This photographer doesn't.

Feb 12 13 11:43 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
fullmetalphotographer
Posts: 2,739
Fresno, California, US


It depends on the shoot, the models location. In general i will try and meet most models before a at the very least touch base by phone. The only issues I have dealt with are models who won't take calls or agree for 15min meet.

I meet with with clients, art directors and editors, so why would any team member be an exception including a model.
Feb 12 13 11:59 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Foto Priganica
Posts: 50
Gandia, Valencia, Spain


Shot By Adam wrote:

It depends. First of all, I don't see it as a waste of time for anyone involved if the shoot is important enough to all parties involved.

It's really a case-by-case basis though and there is no one answer to your question that would encompass all shoots. For example, if I'm doing a high-end TFP shoot with makeup artists and costume designers and hair stylists, then I believe it's mandatory that we all meet for a short meeting prior to the shoot so we can get a good read off of one another. It helps everyone to brainstorm how to make the shoot the best possible. It also allows us to look one another in the eye and make sure we're all on the same page for deadlines, etc. I like to review the TFP agreements and releases then as well. This saves time during the day of the shoot and keeps things on schedule.

If I'm working with a model for a client, it goes both ways though. If the client has already chosen the model, knows what they want, then a pre-shoot meeting has no real impact one way or the other as far as how I'm going to do the shoot, so I see it as being an unnecessary step. However, if a client asks me to book a model for a shoot of theirs and they are unwilling to hire from an agency, then I make it mandatory that we meet for an interview and pre-shoot meeting primarily because, as someone else mentioned, a models' photos from six months ago are not always an indication of how they look TODAY.

+1 ....and I do that for any job with inexperienced models to help them loose the "stage fright" before the shoot. In my experience a coffee and a chat makes a big difference to any beginner and helps them build their confidence in front of the camera afters .... busy pros are different story and they know what's coming their way wink

Feb 12 13 12:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
DennisRoliffPhotography
Posts: 1,928
Akron, Ohio, US


AJScalzitti wrote:

I will never understand why this is so strange in Internet modeling, it's been the norm for decades.

Um, because it's "internet modeling", not "agency modeling". It's always interesting when people compare the two and feel that the same protocol should apply to both. It doesn't. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/rolleyes.gif

Feb 12 13 12:59 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
1k-words-photograpy
Posts: 342
Leesburg, Virginia, US


I'm a little strange but I typically don't shoot clients without meeting them first. I will not engage in any kind of TF engagement without a meeting PERIOD. At the end of the day I want to get a feel for them and see if we can work together because nothing sucks like being stuck in a 20 foot room for 3 hours with a professional asshole.

Also I want to get a good feel for the how much of their portfolio happened on their shooters computer if you take my meaning. Also physically seeing the person can give me new ideas, if we can chat for 15 minutes I can figure out how to get their personality into a photo.
Feb 12 13 01:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
A-M-P
Posts: 18,092
Orlando, Florida, US


No waste of time
Feb 12 13 01:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
J O H N A L L A N
Posts: 9,872
Santa Ana, California, US


Early 90's I used to do it all the time. But then I started shooting with the agency girls and that ended (except rarely when I'd shoot an independent).

But, that was a (pre-internet pre-digital image) time when non-agency castings were by physical print ads and the model would typically USPS some sample photographs in. So, meeting in person (gosee) made perfect sense.

Now days, even with independents, for me, it's a total waste of time. Also, often the models are coming down from LA, so there's no way something like that would be feasible anyway.
Feb 12 13 01:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Salo
Posts: 8,166
Olney, Maryland, US


Jeffrey M Fletcher wrote:
I like it for local models or less experienced people.

Sometimes when I have a question about the model's limits, it's good to talk one on one.

Feb 12 13 01:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Christine Eadie
Posts: 2,613
Charleston, South Carolina, US


Whatever works for you. Personally, it is nice if they can talk or meet first to discuss TF. It isn't a waste of time - it's actually quicker than emails back and forth to hash out details.
And I get a better feeling for who the model is which makes it easy to plan what I want to shoot with them. Once or twice I've called off a shoot because the model was not as they appeared in the portfolio or they mentioned stuff in conversation that sent up red flags.
Feb 12 13 01:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Yum Yum Photo
Posts: 442
Park Ridge, New Jersey, US


I need a pre-meet for fittings.... Finding out clothing is not working is  not a thing I want to find out day of shoot.... Not a waste of time..
Feb 12 13 02:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Raoul Isidro Images
Posts: 6,084
Sydney, New South Wales, Australia


money_train wrote:
Does photographer need pre meeting with model before booking?

Very important on some cases.

When I give a call for a commercial facial skin complexion project, I do a "first round 5-minute per person, live face to face, skin assessment" together with the MUA's who will do the preparation, about 2 to 3 days before the shoot.

One zit or tat and your out.

.

Feb 12 13 03:57 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Farrell
Posts: 13,035
Nashville, Tennessee, US


Waste of time.
Feb 12 13 05:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Loki Studio
Posts: 2,926
Royal Oak, Michigan, US


The pre-meeting at the studio is essential to me to confirm a llama's look and reliability, and to confirm concepts/clothing/terms.  Its exactly the same process I use for clients. I won't invest my time unless I know everything is set to create the right portfolio photos.   I have had a few surprises at meetings that have prevented disasters at shoots.
Feb 12 13 06:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Platform Artist
Posts: 157
Chicago, Illinois, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:
in the real world, we have "go sees" where a model needs to show up in person, in order to casted for a particular job.

existing images are not always indicative of a models look..

+1

Feb 12 13 07:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lost Coast Photo
Posts: 2,674
Ferndale, California, US


Out of hundreds of models, I've only done that four or five times. All were at the models request, most were friends of friends that I already knew something about, and almost all of those few seemed to be (and were) very interesting people.

In most cases I don't see where it would add value for either person. Often I'm too busy for it to be feasible. And, in most cases I prefer to react spontaneously to  each new model I meet anyway so having more than a few minutes to think about it can actually be counterproductive. It might be different for someone who likes to elaborately plan each shoot.
Feb 12 13 07:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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T-D-L
Posts: 10,256
Los Angeles, California, US


Seems like a waste of time considering if I'm doing so to find out their thoughts on the concepts I can call or email.  If I'm concerned about how they actually look I can ask for polaroids/digitals.
Feb 12 13 07:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Fred Ackerman
Posts: 270
Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US


Mostly I want to have at least one telephone conversation.. A beautiful face and body is really nice, but the model's personality or lack of it makes a real difference. My best model's over the years have both!
Feb 12 13 07:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Herb Way
Posts: 1,472
Black Mountain, North Carolina, US


George Ruge wrote:
I have enough trouble getting one to show up for a shoot, let alone for tea and crumpets first!

I hear you!

Feb 12 13 07:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Klarrissa
Posts: 2,322
Los Angeles, California, US


Dan K Photography wrote:
Are you saying that not only do you get models to pay for shoots. You are successful in having them come in and put down a deposit?

Am I getting this right?

I do all of the above. Ha
I guess its odd to find models who actually pay photographers on here?


I've done go sees before, a lot of models don't look like their photos in person. But not sure how many models will be willing to do that from this site. Most will just send current snapshots of themselves.

Feb 12 13 07:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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GM Photography
Posts: 6,056
Olympia, Washington, US


I don't have time for that.  If they don't have recent photos in their port, then I may ask for a candid.  I'll also talk to them about their skin and ask them to reschedule if they're having a breakout or something that would require a lot of retouching.  Beyond that, if they have current decent images in their portfolio, then I should be able to make good photos with them also.
Feb 13 13 04:59 am  Link  Quote 
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Undead Threads
Posts: 574
Greenville, South Carolina, US


The only time that its not a complete waste of time is when I'm shooting for the catalog. but I normally book a model that Ive already shot for those any way.
Feb 13 13 05:10 am  Link  Quote 
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JohnnySkein
Posts: 4
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, US


terrysphotocountry wrote:
NO: I can get all the info that I need threw e. mail. Self image via e. mail, Them of the photo session, Studio or not. Escorts or NOT! etc.

If you can get any "real" info in emails...  Would this pre-shoot meeting once and for all end the "Escort Issue"?  Please...

Feb 13 13 05:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Model Art Photo
Posts: 636
Monterey, California, US


I'll require a preshoot meeting if the model is off Craigslist or another source.  Hard to verify references with those.
Feb 13 13 08:16 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich II
Posts: 705
San Diego, California, US


For M/M "models" here in San Diego?
Unless they have a strong set of images and it appears they are actually working at it, then yes. Weeds out the riff raff. 9 times out of 10 the meeting itself never even happens as they seem to be of the fly-by variety.
Feb 13 13 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Beautifully Soft Focus
Posts: 527
Peoria, Illinois, US


George Ruge wrote:
I have enough trouble getting one to show up for a shoot, let alone for tea and crumpets first!

lmao wink ... I don't have the time ... either they show-up and rock it or get sent home early is how I roll.

Be easy,

Alvin

Feb 13 13 08:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RKD Photographic
Posts: 3,265
Iserlohn, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany


Shot By Adam wrote:

Having the meeting four months before the shoot was utterly pointless. Having it four days before the shoot and you may have had a different opinion on the importance of the meeting.

aww gee - why didn't I think of that?

Her choice, matey - not mine...

Feb 13 13 08:44 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
James Sioux
Posts: 1,291
Los Angeles, California, US


money_train wrote:
I read that "why pay model" thread, sounds more than 90% of model are Not worth to pay.

Does photographer need pre meeting with model before booking?

only for less than 10 mins, take few test shots and have a quick chat.

I understand it could waste model's time, however is it a good idea to do so?

Almost never would models meet you before the shoot.  There are of course exceptions, but those are rare.  I don't even bother to ask.  She drives 1/2 hour or 45 minutes or even longer one way on her own gas just to meet you for 10-15 minutes?  Doesn't make sense for her. 

I contact you, discuss pay and shoot details by email and/or phone/text, I book you, you show up to work on time, I pay you, you sign model release, we're done.  I'll throw a couple of good pictures your way if I feel like it.  Simple.

Feb 13 13 09:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,086
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


I did 70+ shoots last year with no pre-meetings. I consider them a big waste of time, and most models seem to agree. Of course about half live 200 miles away or more.

If a model wanted to have a pre-shoot meeting or a phone conversation before a shoot, I'd certainly consider it. I usually have multiple shoots in the planning stage, and I prefer to do pre-shoot planning by MM email, so I can keep everything related to a particular shoot in one place. Helps me stay organized (and I need all the help I can get).

There were two MUA's who wanted to meet for coffee and discuss ideas for trade shoots last year. I met one in March and the other in September - but I have yet to do a shoot with either of them.
Feb 13 13 11:13 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Paid gig and paid gig with client are two different things. Hiring someone for a client without going through normal recruitment methods, i.e. not interviewing people is crazy. Also crazy, is the model who expects to win an advertising/magazine job without a go see. Agency models don't have a problem with this.

However if there was no client other than myself, so far there's nothing that I couldn't sort out by pm and phone, since I am hiring people here for their particular talents and looks being more unique or diverse than an agency model.

The only time I have really benefited from meeting people first, is in fashion and also where mum or boyfriend is paying and the person isn't a model. About 50% of MM models I worked with, I did meet first, but was either an introduction or just bumped into them.

Face to face is the best form of marketing, but it's not essential to making money.
Feb 13 13 01:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
YZE Photography
Posts: 758
Huntsville, Alabama, US


If the model isn't traveling in from out of town, I absolutely want a consultation 1st.
Feb 13 13 02:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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