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i picked up a real studio light and beauty dish...
and think my work has improved ten-fold, perhaps more. ok, so i got an AB B800 and the PCB Silver BD plus 30-degree grid and I know that some people don't like the ABs because of the color shift, but i'm a hobbyist and don't need the best of the best now, or perhaps ever. i wish there would have been a FAQ six-months ago when I started out that said something to the effect of, "look, speed lights are great and there are a ton of modifiers and many, many photographers producing stunning work with just speed lights, but do yourself a favor and pick a studio strobe and beauty dish as quickly as possible if you really want to make it easier on yourself." this is NOT a solicitation for critique, so please don't move this to the critique forum, rather just a PSA for noobs like me. first pics with the new set up: Feb 12 13 09:30 pm Link bw fotograf wrote: great work! Feb 12 13 09:49 pm Link If you do a search you will find a lot of posts that say that. I know, I wrote them. Feb 12 13 09:52 pm Link I don't know what you images looked like before but I like how they look now. Feb 12 13 09:53 pm Link first and last are nice. The silver has an interesting higher contrast look than a white BD, so you might want to add that next. Feb 13 13 06:03 am Link Real studio lights use up electricity and money. Imaginary studio lights have a nicer quality to them and don't cost as much. Speed lights are portable, but for power, recycle speed, studio strobes are handy. Feb 13 13 08:05 am Link Innovative Imagery wrote: i took the sign-up rules literally and by the time i had cobbled together enough pics to establish a port, i had already purchased a ton of shit and hadn't even read the forums yet. Feb 13 13 10:11 pm Link Lookin good.... My next big purchase will be for the PCB AB800... Will beat the speedlights and Neewer for sure! Congratulations! Feb 13 13 10:19 pm Link i picked up a real studio light and beauty dish... WOW... that's COOL!... I wasn't aware anyone made fake ones... Feb 13 13 10:24 pm Link bw fotograf wrote: Let me know how much of that shit you will be selling before posting it on CL. Feb 13 13 10:29 pm Link Some great looking shots, but it sounds like you're saying you couldn't have done the same work with speedlights. I'd disagree. Feb 14 13 05:56 am Link Does size matter on a beauty dish? I have a Bowens mount mono light and there are so many to chose from I have no clue... Feb 14 13 06:11 am Link bw fotograf wrote: I do say that a lot in reality, but online you usually get battered for this. So I tend to not say it too often in forums. Feb 14 13 06:15 am Link Wow! You may not have asked for a critique, but I'm going to give you a (very positive) one. I have the same equipment as you--AB800 and PCB beauty dish, and I wish I could use them half as well as you do. Great job! Feb 14 13 06:40 am Link Select Models wrote: you know goddamn well what i mean. it's a shit ton easier to work with the modeling light then moving a speed light around to find the right shadows and expect the model to not come off pose. i'm not giving up on speed lights, but unless i'm on location, i absolutely will not use one as my key from now on. this is way easier. GreatMomentsPhotography wrote: not a chance. i'm keeping everything for travel. GM Photography wrote: i don't agree. I never found a convincing BD for a speed light that produces the same quality of light as one of the several available BDs for mono lights. the only one that I felt was really exceptional was the mola and that is like $700 all said and done with the dish, bracket and any grids you wanted. Marin Photography wrote: 22" seems to be pretty standard among most manufacturers MiGel wrote: if you had a crystal ball and could convince me not to spend as much as i did on my nikon SBs and modifiers vs this one light and BD, i'd say that there would have been a very good chance of me listening. Hacklight wrote: thanks! appreciate the kind words. Feb 14 13 07:46 am Link Working with a strobe that has a proper (and reasonably proportional) modelling light is critical IMHO when you are shooting anything that involves any kind of shadows. Shadows, shadow play, light play, the way light opposes shadow are all crucial elements of composition and the mood of the image, and they require careful timing to get right with a moving model. If you don't have a modelling light you can't see the shadows and so you're effectively shooting with your eyes shut (or at least half closed) most of the time. Just my $0.02 Ciao Stefano www.stefanobrunesci.com Feb 14 13 07:50 am Link bw fotograf wrote: That is the point. I don't need a crystal ball to see what I already know from experience. But there would be no way that I could've convinced you when dozens of guys in the forums tell you "light is light" (how I hate that slogan). Feb 14 13 08:36 am Link MiGel wrote: Exactly, just as glass is glass and it is hard to understand why you would pay ten times the cost for one equivalent lens over another, until you have a chance to use that better lens and realize why the extra money is well spent. Feb 14 13 02:57 pm Link Innovative Imagery wrote: As did I, and many others. Feb 14 13 03:52 pm Link -B-R-U-N-E-S-C-I- wrote: I have to shoot with eyes half closed to see what I am doing. Feb 14 13 03:59 pm Link MiGel wrote: Hey!!!! Your talking about me. Feb 14 13 04:04 pm Link bw fotograf wrote: Honestly... I had NO IDEA what you meant... UNTIL you explained it this way... which WASN'T the explanation you used in your original post... thankyouverymuch... Feb 14 13 04:30 pm Link I use fake studio lights with real models. LOL You know... human models. Feb 14 13 04:35 pm Link bw fotograf wrote: There's no doubt that having a modeling light makes things easier, although you didn't really point that out in your original post. To be clear, I have a set of AB800's and a number of other strobes which I started with before speedlights. Given a choice, my strobes are my first choice. I'm not going to set up speedlights in my home studio over my strobe lights, but for location shoots, I can do pretty much everything I can in the studio with speedlights. If I need to, I can always grab the Vagabond Mini and take my strobes on location, but it's rare that I'd do that. Feb 15 13 05:46 am Link Marin Photography wrote: 22" seems to be pretty standard among most manufacturers Feb 15 13 05:55 am Link Great shots! I have the AB800 and silver beauty dish with grid as well. Love it! Think about adding a backing hair light on the other side if you like that look. Feb 15 13 06:05 am Link |