Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.
We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?
Anna Von Leigh wrote: Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?
This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p
I recommend a tactical nuclear device. Wow, just sucks that this enters the mind, don't blame anyone and wish our experience led to more trust and less suspicion.
Azimuth Arts
Posts: 1,135
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Anna Von Leigh wrote: This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
Where are you going to carry a weapon while doing a nude shoot in the woods?
I prefer that models not be carrying any weapons while shooting, it distracts from the fashion (or lack thereof for nude shoots).
In every studio shoot I have done the model's purse is usually 30 feet from where the model is for most of the shoot. Maybe it will be of use to you as you travel the streets on the way to or from the shoot, but it will be useless to you once on set.
Surely any alleged photographer who intends to harm you will wait until you are nude or scantily dressed and yards from your protection before attempting anything untoward. Do your research in advance. If when you get there you have a bad feeling leave, otherwise just do everything you would do to prepare (or arm) yourself when you are going shopping, on a date or to work.
photographers have this concern about their models (and especially anyone else the model might want to bring to the set). we all want to stay safe and not get robbed, etc.
i've only heard one horror story (rape on a bondage shoot) based on things models have told me.
and so far having done lots of shoots i haven't had any significant trouble with a model or escort.
but if i had a daughter pursuing the sexier side of modeling then i would advise due diligence and caution. some of those guys want POV without telling the model it will be POV!
Anna Von Leigh wrote: This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p
i think some of the most dangerous people are also the most charming. so maybe the moral of the story is to watch out for people who seem too good to be true (come on too strong, always have an answer for everything). get yourself a good BS meter in other words. real people are kind of messy, not glossy and slick.
regarding weaponry is that going to help if you are busy modeling and a 240 pound photographer suddenly attacks you? you're probably better off with some kind of fight training. go to one of those seminars about how to get your attacker to let go.
and if my model shows up packing heat and knives (unless it's a prop) i'm out of there!
Anna Von Leigh wrote: I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject
Anna Von Leigh wrote: Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?
This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p
*please don't make this into a gun debate*
The true weirdos are the ones who carry an arsenal of weapons to a photoshoot rather than check references like a normal sane person.
I think every woman and teenage girl should carry pepper spray or mace everywhere she goes. It is unfortunate, but necessary. Learning self-defense techniques is a great idea as well.
But if you seriously feel that you need to carry weapons of any type to a photo shoot, only because it is a photo shoot, then perhaps you should not be modeling.
If you are not comfortable with the people you will be working with after checking several references of other models they have worked with in the past, then pass on that assignment and find someone else to work with.
The true weirdos are the ones who carry an arsenal of weapons to a photoshoot rather than check references like a normal sane person.
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Hey, I never said I was sane!
Haha, honestly though, unless I could spray someone in the eyes with hairspray or use a bobbypin as a weapon I'm useless. I just wanted to see others opinions on the subject.
salvatori.
Posts: 2,622
State College, Pennsylvania, US
Anna Von Leigh wrote: I agree with doing your research, absolutely. I was just curious as to what people's thoughts were on the subject
My thoughts? This wouldn't turn into a gun debate nearly as fast as a debate about paranoia and ludicrous thinking.
And you do realize, OP, that photographers vet models just as models should be vetting photographers. And when they do a check of forum threads/posts, they will see that you posted this.
IMHO, I would NEVER work with a person who has the issues you do. Never.
My thoughts? This wouldn't turn into a gun debate nearly as fast as a debate about paranoia and ludicrous thinking.
And you do realize, OP, that photographers vet models just as models should be vetting photographers. And when they do a check of forum threads/posts, they will see that you posted this.
IMHO, I would NEVER work with a person who has the issues you do. Never.
If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.
If I were shooting nude models in semi-public places, it is always possible that authorities of one type or another may be attracted to the scene. The model had best be sure not to be violating local laws with her choice of weaponry in many places - especially parks - even a little mace spray is illegal..... and would be much more serious than being told to either put clothes on or be more discrete.....
the same goes true for any recreational substances - I am not against them just don't bring them along where unwanted attention might happen -
when I am shooting otherwise, I am shooting in a professional studio with professional management on site. Weapons of any kind are not allowed.
I can certainly understand where a model might feel a need for self protection -
what I admittedly do not understand is why a model would put herself in a situation where she felt unsafe - just because someone asks does not mean you have to do it......
in my case I invite anyone to check my very extensive references with well known models..... if that's not enough please pass me by - no escorts, or weapons, are allowed on my set, or with me when shooting on location.
If society continues heading into the downward spiral, procreation as we know it will cease to exist because all seven billion people on this rock will adopt the same motto: Trust No One.
Anna Von Leigh wrote: This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
Aside from the obvious grammar issues, why is a "tfp" shoot more dangerous than a paid one???
salvatori.
Posts: 2,622
State College, Pennsylvania, US
Anna Von Leigh wrote:
If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.
I'm not paranoid, and I don't carry weapons.
I will be honest with you. I am not ridiculing your writing ability, but I see ZERO sarcasm in your initial post. IMHO, you may want to edit it so that it is more clear that that was your intention.
Sita Mae
Posts: 19,564
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US
I once had a model pull a concealed weapon for which he did not have a permit, to show it off, without any kind of warning. If I had been alone on set, I probably would have locked myself in the bathroom and called the police. It scared the bejeezus out of me.
So, the moral of that story, I guess, is that unexpected weapons brandishment can be extremely effective in clearing the room of a photographer!
If you would have read my previous reply you would have seen that I posted this mainly to start a discussion and to see what other people thought about the subject. It's hard to read sarcasm, but my initial post had a lot in it.
I'm not paranoid, and I don't carry weapons.
I'm usually pretty good at picking up sarcasm. And if the OP was meant as a tongue-in-cheek or satirical statement on absurdity of model thoughts on protection, it could have been done much more effectively. Something like this...
"So...I'm looking for some help.
I have a nude shoot coming up next week and I'm torn between the Tek-9 or Mac 10. I know both have their pros & cons but I usually just carry a knife from the Gil Hibben "Rambo" collection. But I'm thinking it will cut up my entire wardrobe when I'm traipsing through the woods with my weekend bag.
But, like they say, the best defense is a good offense so maybe I just need to pick up a good holster for it.
What weapon do you use for protection on your shoots?"
I always check references, bring pepper spray, text all my friends and family the times and location and name of person I am shooting with just in case. I'm not paranoid, I would expect someone to do the same to me. You never know nowadays. But I'm also that girl who can't go to the bathroom alone in a public place
If you felt there was a need for some form of self protection on a shoot, then you should not be at that shoot in the first place.. be it TFP or paid..
Does a model carrying a weapon really think they can react faster than it takes for me to place the Cloroform over their nose and mouth? smh...silly silly.
When I do shoots in out of the way locations, I do take a few extra safety precautions:
- Generally, I only do these with photographers I have worked with before or who have at least a couple good references from models I know and respect the opinion of.
- I get the address of the location in advance and send it to a couple people just in case, if the photographer refused to give it I would see that as a red flag.
- I usually set up a time to text or call someone after the shoot and when we are getting close to that time, if it appears we may run over, I remind the photographer that I need to make the call so I need to be in service. Most photographers are really, really understanding about this.
- I have someone drive me to the shoot and drop me off if I can, though sometimes the photographer has been my transportation.
- I trust my instincts. If I feel at all iffy about communications prior to the shoot, I do not do it.
Anna Von Leigh wrote: Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.
This is mainly for tfp shoots where your meeting the photographer for the first time at the shoot, maybe it's a nude shoot, in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?
This is the Internet after all, who knows what kind of weirdos are out there :p
*please don't make this into a gun debate*
If a model (or anyone) brought a gun to my studio, they'd be so FUCKING OUTTA THERE....it wouldn't be funny!!
I have a zero tolerance for that.
MHO....If you don't want to generate a gun debate, don't frame your OP around being armed.
Dekilah wrote: When I do shoots in out of the way locations, I do take a few extra safety precautions:
- Generally, I only do these with photographers I have worked with before or who have at least a couple good references from models I know and respect the opinion of.
- I get the address of the location in advance and send it to a couple people just in case, if the photographer refused to give it I would see that as a red flag.
- I usually set up a time to text or call someone after the shoot and when we are getting close to that time, if it appears we may run over, I remind the photographer that I need to make the call so I need to be in service. Most photographers are really, really understanding about this.
- I have someone drive me to the shoot and drop me off if I can, though sometimes the photographer has been my transportation.
- I trust my instincts. If I feel at all iffy about communications prior to the shoot, I do not do it.
If we're shooting in Highland Park, I will discard my "no weapons for models" clause.
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