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first5678
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BeautybyGod
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Los Angeles, California, US


George Ruge wrote:
But FBI statistics show that where there are more citizens with cary permits, violent crime goes down. The district of Columbia has one of the highest murder rates of any areas in the US and is a "No Gun Zone". Where people are not allowed to protect themselves, criminals have carte-blanche.

"In 2000, 242 homicides occurred,[11] and the downward trend continued in the 2000s. In 2012, Washington, D.C. had only 92 homicides in 91 separate incidents, the lowest annual tally since 1963.[14]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

Feb 17 13 09:08 am  Link  Quote 
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KonstantKarma
Posts: 2,513
Hickory, North Carolina, US


George Ruge wrote:

We are nowhere near what I would consider an armed society at this time in the US. There's not enough people carrying on a daily basis. But FBI statistics show that where there are more citizens with cary permits, violent crime goes down. The district of Columbia has one of the highest murder rates of any areas in the US and is a "No Gun Zone". Where people are not allowed to protect themselves, criminals have carte-blanche.

Yep. Those impolite, brash and mean and violent areas are the locally gun-free areas.

Ain't no way in HELL we'd put up with that kind of behaviour in other parts of the US. smile

Feb 17 13 09:09 am  Link  Quote 
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Daeda1us
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Little Rock, Arkansas, US


Envy wrote:
The true weirdos are the ones who carry an arsenal of weapons to a photoshoot rather than check references like a normal sane person.

This sounded dangerously close to a personal attack on the OP.
Hopefully it was not intended as such.

btw, as a group, we are not 'normal'. Whether we are 'sane' is debatable.
For example, it is not 'normal' to take off your clothes to let a stranger take a picture of you.

Lots of things we do are not 'normal'.
But then again, if we were 'normal', we would not be doing them.

As the quote from Practical Magic goes;
"My darling girl, when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage!"

My two cents, YMMV
Daeda1us

Feb 17 13 09:33 am  Link  Quote 
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WIP
Posts: 15,490
Cheltenham, England, United Kingdom


Are there any stats on the number of models murdered by photographers of MM ?
Feb 17 13 09:40 am  Link  Quote 
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Gabby57
Posts: 413
Coppell, Texas, US


BeautybyGod wrote:

"In 2000, 242 homicides occurred,[11] and the downward trend continued in the 2000s. In 2012, Washington, D.C. had only 92 homicides in 91 separate incidents, the lowest annual tally since 1963.[14]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

Well, if wikipedia is to be regarded as a source:

DC per capita murder rate is 70% higher than here in Dallas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … crime_rate

Feb 17 13 09:59 am  Link  Quote 
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BeautybyGod
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Los Angeles, California, US


Gabby57 wrote:
Well, if wikipedia is to be regarded as a source:

DC per capita murder rate is 70% higher than here in Dallas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … crime_rate

i'll be it was closer to even last year.

"Dallas murder rate up last year: 152 slayings "

"Dallas police say the number of murders citywide rose almost 13 percent last year "

"Dallas had 26 domestic violence-related killings last year, compared to 10 the previous year."

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/185545831.html

washington down, dallas up. something for you to be proud of. lol

Feb 17 13 10:55 am  Link  Quote 
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Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,690
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


So, a llama brings a weapon to a shoot.  What next?  Is she going to hold onto it the entire time?  That obviously won't work well.  If some crazed photographer suddenly attacks a llama, how will having mace or a knife or even a gun in her handbag be of any assistance?  Does it seem likely the attacker will, in the name of fairness allow the llama to retrieve her weapon first?

It seems to me there are much better ways to reduce risk than bringing a weapon.
Feb 17 13 11:48 am  Link  Quote 
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D-Light
Posts: 615
Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland


Daeda1us wrote:
As the quote from Practical Magic goes;
"My darling girl, when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage!"

I like this one, must remember it, it's very true.

Feb 17 13 12:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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D-Light
Posts: 615
Newcastle, Limerick, Ireland


BeautybyGod wrote:

i'll be it was closer to even last year.

"Dallas murder rate up last year: 152 slayings "

"Dallas police say the number of murders citywide rose almost 13 percent last year "

"Dallas had 26 domestic violence-related killings last year, compared to 10 the previous year."

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/185545831.html

washington down, dallas up. something for you to be proud of. lol

Wow, that's amazing. With quarter the population of Ireland, Dallas has three times the number of murders. Does anyone know why things have gone so far wrong?

Feb 17 13 12:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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ArtisticGlamour
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Are there any stats on the number of llamas murdered by photographers of MM ?

You mean "photographically"? lol I'd say about 50/50.

Feb 17 13 12:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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imcFOTO
Posts: 579
Bothell, Washington, US


Anna Von Leigh wrote:
Ok kids, I want to get other models ideas on this subject. Feeling protected on photo shoots. I'm talking about bringing a weapon or pepper spray, or something of that matter to a shoot.

We all have our bag full of clothes and makeup, do you also carry a knife? Gun? Taser?


*EDITED*

If I knew a model was carrying a weapon into my studio - there's no way we'd be working together. I understand about women feeling vulnerable - but let's talk about upfront meetings, or check my references or an escort (not desirable either sometimes) - but if one of my models really thought she needed a weapon - I would be really offended and would not want to work with them.

For the record, if one of my friends was carrying a weapon, they wouldn't be welcome in my home either.

Feb 17 13 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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L Bass
Posts: 957
Nacogdoches, Texas, US


c_h_r_i_s wrote:
Are there any stats on the number of models murdered by photographers of MM ?

Yes... I believe the latest statistics show that just under 50% of MM photo shoots end up in a murder situation, so it's still a safe bet wink

Feb 17 13 12:35 pm  Link  Quote 
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Charlie-CNP
Posts: 2,644
New York, New York, US


Ken Marcus Studios wrote:

Agreed !

KM

+1 and check out http://www.newmodels.com. If you do your homework there should be no reason for any weapons. Simple referrals generally tell you more than you would ever want to know about a shoot before you ever set foot on location or in studio.

Feb 17 13 12:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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