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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


I just bought a Canon T3i and I've heard that the 18mm-55mm lens it comes with isn't very good for video as it isn't able to auto focus fast enough and it's VERY loud.

What would be a good lens for HD video with a quick silent/quiet auto focus? Nothing extreme just want a nice video. Mainly for product reviews.

I use a $80 HD webcam now to shoot videos so I want nothing insane, the only issue with the webcam is it picks up EVERY possible sound in the room and I always have to turn everything off. TV, fans, computers.

Thanks for the help!
Feb 13 13 07:49 pm  Link  Quote 
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Steven Bodo
Posts: 453
Seattle, Washington, US


a camcorder may be better suited for your need than a DSLR

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sorry, now i see you just bought one
Feb 13 13 07:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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AG_Boston
Posts: 345
Boston, Massachusetts, US


Are you using the built in mic? You will benefit greatly by using a mic which is not mounted on the camera.
Feb 13 13 08:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


Steven Bodo wrote:
a camcorder may be better suited for your need than a DSLR

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sorry, now i see you just bought one

Ya haven't got it yet though. I want it for pictures too though and just basic video.

Feb 13 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


AG_Boston wrote:
Are you using the built in mic? You will benefit greatly by using a mic which is not mounted on the camera.

I haven't got my t3i yet but I will buy a mic if the built in one sucks.

As far as my webcam ya I use the built in mic.

Feb 13 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,514
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:
I just bought a Canon T3i and I've heard that the 18mm-55mm lens it comes with isn't very good for video as it isn't able to auto focus fast enough and it's VERY loud.
Lady Akara wrote:
What would be a good lens for HD video with a quick silent/quiet auto focus? Nothing extreme just want a nice video. Mainly for product reviews.

The T3i doesn't autofocus while recording, so noise, and overall autofocus is a nonissue.

For good audio, getting the mic as close to you, and away from the camera will make it great. I played with this one and for under $20 it is quite nice, especially since you record straight to the camera, and you don't have to deal with syncing audio.

Feb 13 13 08:25 pm  Link  Quote 
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AG_Boston
Posts: 345
Boston, Massachusetts, US


-JAY- wrote:

Lady Akara wrote:
I just bought a Canon T3i and I've heard that the 18mm-55mm lens it comes with isn't very good for video as it isn't able to auto focus fast enough and it's VERY loud.

The T3i doesn't autofocus while recording, so noise, and overall autofocus is a nonissue.

Problem solved!

Feb 13 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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VA Photographer
Posts: 231
Richmond, Virginia, US


I know you just bought a T3i, but if you are able too, might consider upgrading to the T4i (sorry not sure what the price difference would be).  This lens might meet your needs, but the continuous auto focus only works on the T4i

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8 … ncake.html
Feb 13 13 08:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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D Nick Falana
Posts: 15
Los Angeles, California, US


Have a t3i and just shot first video yesterday. Finding out all about the auto focus issue. Would probably swing for the t4i if I had to do it over again and might just do a trade in. Purchased the tascam DR-05 for sound but haven't deployed it yet. That wouldn't help how loud the lens is. I do like a basic 50mm portrait lens ($100) for the video but that still doesn't fix our auto focus issue. Nothing I know of really will. Best you can hope for is get a cheap remote and use the flip out view finder.
Feb 13 13 08:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


Thanks. There is a bunch of videos of it auto focusing though:-(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSWs-sufRY
Feb 13 13 08:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


VA Photographer wrote:
I know you just bought a T3i, but if you are able too, might consider upgrading to the T4i (sorry not sure what the price difference would be).  This lens might meet your needs, but the continuous auto focus only works on the T4i

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8 … ncake.html

Will that work on the t3i as well?

Feb 13 13 09:12 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:
Thanks. There is a bunch of videos of it auto focusing though:-(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSWs-sufRY

That's just autofocusing while recording, different from continuous autofocus. No different than just manual focusing. For what you're looking for, what do you need autofocus for?

Feb 13 13 09:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:

Will that work on the t3i as well?

On the T3i, it will work just like any other lens. The 40mm, and the other STM lenses are all about continuous autofocus, which the T3i doesn't do.

Feb 13 13 09:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


-JAY- wrote:

That's just autofocusing while recording, different from continuous autofocus. No different than just manual focusing. For what you're looking for, what do you need autofocus for?

Ohhh I see. Just for videos, nothing extreme just sitting in front of the game but moving in close on my face. I shoot the videos myself so it would be nice to have auto focus lol.

Feb 13 13 10:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


Just something like this. So the loud auto focus would be bad since I get so close to the camera lol

http://images.kinkbomb.net/images/P/108 … ock-01.gif
Feb 13 13 10:56 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


If I should just get a camcorder as well, which one do you guys suggest?
Feb 13 13 11:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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DraganSutic
Posts: 304
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


if you're going to be making extreme movement from up close to far away, you either want a camera operator to track you, or use a ton of lighting so you can use a small aperture and give yourself deep DOF.
Feb 13 13 11:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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DraganSutic
Posts: 304
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


if you're going to be making extreme movement from up close to far away, you either want a camera operator to track you, or use a ton of lighting so you can use a small aperture and give yourself deep DOF.
Feb 13 13 11:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


DraganSutic wrote:
if you're going to be making extreme movement from up close to far away, you either want a camera operator to track you, or use a ton of lighting so you can use a small aperture and give yourself deep DOF.

Oh I didn't know it was extreme haha. I might buy a camcorder too rather than a expensive lens. Suggestion on a camcorder?

Feb 14 13 01:08 pm  Link  Quote 
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MZ PhotoFilm
Posts: 202
Jacksonville, Florida, US


its actually perfect for video, your just using the auto features which isnt going to get you anywhere! Auto focus and white balance are better for snap shot cameras...I have done plenty of videos using my basic T3i and lens, they all came out clean
Feb 14 13 02:16 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


MZ PhotoFilm wrote:
its actually perfect for video, your just using the auto features which isnt going to get you anywhere! Auto focus and white balance are better for snap shot cameras...I have done plenty of videos using my basic T3i and lens, they all came out clean

Oh ok but is there any chance I can record video myself without having to have someone there to focus it for me?

Feb 15 13 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erik Ballew
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Westminster, Colorado, US


Lady Akara wrote:
Just something like this. So the loud auto focus would be bad since I get so close to the camera lol

http://images.kinkbomb.net/images/P/108 … ock-01.gif

With plenty of lighting and a small aperture, you wont have to worry about a small depth of field.  If you have decent lighting and shoot at f4 to f8ish you're area of focus will be big enough for work like that .gif you posted.

Feb 15 13 07:05 pm  Link  Quote 
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Erik Ballew
Posts: 715
Westminster, Colorado, US


I'll chime in one last time, This is the camera man for Digital RevTV.  I know Lok is kind of hard to understand.  But he has some really good tips on DSLR video.

& your 18-55 kit lens is IS and wide, so you'll be fine for this.

Hope that helps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gHxZh7kjic
Feb 15 13 07:10 pm  Link  Quote 
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irisheyescreations
Posts: 160
Anaheim, California, US


T3i's are good, reliable camera's... Great looking video too.  Auto focus is not good and that's where the T4i supersedes it.  We've also tried attaching any and all types of mics to the camera itself and the noise problem, from within or exterior, just couldn't cope with it - you just can't escape or get around the dull quality that you'll get and the noise factor.  You're truly best off getting a separate system to record sound such as a Tascam as mentioned above... or even hiring someone or renting a system.  I'd say use the camera solely for it's visual purpose only... that's where the $ is!  Good luck to ya!!
Feb 15 13 07:27 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


Lady Akara wrote:

Oh ok but is there any chance I can record video myself without having to have someone there to focus it for me?

it really depends on what your expectations are.  when they use DSLRs for TV shows they have a shit ton of other gear attached to it and a full crew, not just someone pulling focus.  At the other end of the spectrum is iPhone videos.  tell us where you wanna be and we can tell you what you need or if your expectations are too high.
One thing for sure is getting the mic off-camera instantly helps with the audio. I use a 20$ wireless mic from walmart and I can just hand it to them and let them talk.  If they hold it near a band its not bad at all but not pro recording.  again what do you want to do? it all boils down to that.

Feb 15 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,514
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:

Oh ok but is there any chance I can record video myself without having to have someone there to focus it for me?

Put something where you will be. I put my laundry hamper in my chair.

Focus on the thing (my hamper) then once it's in focus, turn the lens from AF to Manual focus so it won't change.

Start recording, remove the thing (my hamper) take its spot, and start your video.

Edit out the whole moving the hamper bit.

Feb 15 13 10:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,533
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


-JAY- wrote:

Put something where you will be. I put my laundry hamper in my chair.

Focus on the thing (my hamper) then once it's in focus, turn the lens from AF to Manual focus so it won't change.

Start recording, remove the thing (my hamper) take its spot, and start your video.

Edit out the whole moving the hamper bit.

I think you forgot to mention the whole "dont move out of the chair or move around a lot" thing.  If you move, you have to redo the "chair focus" thing and restart recording.

Feb 16 13 12:04 am  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

I think you forgot to mention the whole "dont move out of the chair or move around a lot" thing.  If you move, you have to redo the "chair focus" thing and restart recording.

*** focus on the chair area, with settings to give you 3-5 feet of in focus area*** move around all you want wink

Feb 16 13 12:17 am  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


I am going to be ordering a lens off amazon willing to spend $1000 or less. Suggestions for a fast and quiet lens for recording video? :-D
Mar 04 13 06:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lady Akara
Posts: 2,992
Riverside, California, US


If you suggest I buy a camcorder, then which? :-)
Mar 04 13 07:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,514
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:
I am going to be ordering a lens off amazon willing to spend $1000 or less. Suggestions for a fast and quiet lens for recording video? :-D

17-55 2.8IS

However, it will pretty much work exactly like your 18-55 in pretty much every respect.

Things will be blurry when you move in, you'll then press your wireless trigger, and it will try and focus, and it'll be in focus while you're close. When you move back into your normal position, you'll be blurry while you press your wireless trigger again, and the camera tries to focus on your new position. It's a somewhat slow process.

It will not be seamless, your camera does not support this feature, you will have to press a wireless shutter release halfway down, and wait for it to acquire focus any time you move. Half a second or more each time you move will consist of pressing a button to get it back into focus.

Even spending $2,500 on canon's best zoom for this range will only net you a slightly less noisy focus, it will still be time consuming and awkward.

Canon's T4i and STM lenses can potentially get what you want, but even the new continuous autofocus on these cameras takes 3-5 seconds if you're lucky.

Mar 04 13 07:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
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Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Lady Akara wrote:
If you suggest I buy a camcorder, then which? :-)

If you're looking for a camera to Vlog with... why not the Vloggie, since that's what it was made for?

Mar 04 13 07:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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