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Image Works Photography
Posts: 2,890
Orlando, Florida, US


Got a octabox two weeks ago. It came with a cover plate from what I have read it says its a beauty dish cover which makes the octabox like a BD. It didn't bring a diagram on how to put the cover in. I think I got it the right way in. I did a few test shots against the wall. I haven't used it yet on a model. Wonder if anyone have used this setup. Its a 36" octabox foldable. B1600 Here is a picture: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8483618616_06ba4fdb51_z.jpg
Feb 17 13 01:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Veit Photo
Posts: 667
London, England, United Kingdom


I think the apex of the curve should point outwards to focus the light back on to the reflective part of the strobe behind the flash tube. But the main thing is that it covers the flash tube so it should work with any orientation.
Feb 17 13 01:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Digiography
Posts: 3,333
Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada


Veit Photo wrote:
I think the apex of the curve should point outwards to focus the light back on to the reflective part of the strobe behind the flash tube. But the main thing is that it covers the flash tube so it should work with any orientation.

I was thinking that too, but then I wonder if it might be right in the photo because if you turned it around it might just focus it back toward the source resulting in very little light being emitted.

Feb 17 13 03:01 pm  Link  Quote 
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Warren Leimbach
Posts: 2,547
Tampa, Florida, US


Interesting.  Can't wait until you post some pics.
Feb 17 13 07:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Broughton
Posts: 2,162
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Veit Photo wrote:
I think the apex of the curve should point outwards to focus the light back on to the reflective part of the strobe behind the flash tube. But the main thing is that it covers the flash tube so it should work with any orientation.

you think wrong. it's meant to spread the light over the entire inner surface of the octobox.

Feb 17 13 08:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


I'm pretty sure that gold disc should be flipped around and kept as close to the flash tube as the "ribs" will allow...try it both ways though...can't hurt!
Feb 17 13 09:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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WMcK
Posts: 5,227
Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom


It has to be correct as in the photo, to spread the light evenly over the umbrella surface.
Feb 18 13 01:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


http://crit365.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/beauty-dish.jpg

This is an "old school " BD...See how the internal reflectors curve is oriented?
Feb 18 13 06:07 am  Link  Quote 
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Gabby57
Posts: 360
Coppell, Texas, US


I improvised something similar on mine, used a flat stainless cover for electric cook top element.  Main reason I did it was to facilitate gels, now I can wrap them around the three stand offs and all of the light is gelled, and reflected before double diffusion out the front.  And it takes very little gel material.
Feb 18 13 07:16 am  Link  Quote 
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AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,520
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


GreatMomentsPhotography wrote:
Got a octabox two weeks ago. It came with a cover plate from what I have read it says its a beauty dish cover which makes the octabox like a BD. It didn't bring a diagram on how to put the cover in. I think I got it the right way in. I did a few test shots against the wall. I haven't used it yet on a model. Wonder if anyone have used this setup. Its a 36" octabox foldable. B1600 Here is a picture: http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8236/8483618616_06ba4fdb51_z.jpg

this got my wallet thinking.  can I ask what brand it is and where you got it?

Feb 18 13 07:22 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Works Photography
Posts: 2,890
Orlando, Florida, US


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:

this got my wallet thinking.  can I ask what brand it is and where you got it?

http://www.photography-lighting.com/ali … boxes.html

Feb 18 13 07:25 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
AVD AlphaDuctions
Posts: 10,520
Gatineau, Quebec, Canada


thanks.  I see its only for ABs not other mounts. I'll have to keep looking.

Feb 18 13 07:30 am  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


AVD AlphaDuctions wrote:
this got my wallet thinking.  can I ask what brand it is and where you got it?

Looks a lot like my SP Studio Systems box - but mine didn't come with the little reflector.

It has a fabric diffuser that is attached with Velcro - but I usually leave it off. With the diffuser, it's much softer than a BD. Without it, the light is harder and harsher. But I like it that way for some things.

Feb 18 13 07:39 am  Link  Quote 
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Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Jay Strange wrote:
http://crit365.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/beauty-dish.jpg

This is an "old school " BD...See how the internal reflectors curve is oriented?

This is the way most BD's are. The one in the photo looks a lot like a the old Photogenic 20-inch reflector. That one was like Photogenic's other reflectors - more like a bowl than a dish (a little deeper and less rounded than the one in the photo). It was made for the old Photogenic mount - but a machinist had made an adapter so it could be used as a "quick change" reflector on Powerlights, Solairs and other late-model Photogenics.

There's one brand that comes with a "diflector" that lets part of the light pass through (diffuser). The rest of the light is reflected back into the main reflector and dispersed (reflector). Don't recall which brand though.

Mola dishes (at least the Euro) come with a round disc with holes in it (think food strainer, but it's sturdier, and the holes are larger) which simply limits the amount of light that that passes through directly in front of the tube.

Any of these methods will avoid a "hot spot" in the area lit by the flash tube (direct light, not reflected from the main reflector).

Feb 18 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Raymond Irvine
Posts: 300
Camarillo, California, US


OP, It looks like you have the right way:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jqIqTqOaL.jpg

The same thing is sold as Pro Studio Solutions by Fotodiox on Amazon.  This is for a Bowens compatible softbox but they have Alien Bees and other mounts available:

http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-10SBXBW3 … B003EWPJDY
Feb 25 13 07:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rafael_Alexander
Posts: 82
Atlanta, Georgia, US


Looks to be in the right place....
Feb 25 13 08:09 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Kev Lawson
Posts: 6,659
Fort Myers, Florida, US


Raymond Irvine wrote:
OP, It looks like you have the right way:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jqIqTqOaL.jpg

The same thing is sold as Pro Studio Solutions by Fotodiox on Amazon.  This is for a Bowens compatible softbox but they have Alien Bees and other mounts available:

http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-10SBXBW3 … B003EWPJDY

Dang you making me spend money! wink

Feb 25 13 08:18 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Works Photography
Posts: 2,890
Orlando, Florida, US


Raymond Irvine wrote:
OP, It looks like you have the right way:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61jqIqTqOaL.jpg

The same thing is sold as Pro Studio Solutions by Fotodiox on Amazon.  This is for a Bowens compatible softbox but they have Alien Bees and other mounts available:

http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-10SBXBW3 … B003EWPJDY

Thanks for the link. Now I am left scratching my head. I spent $150 for mines and this one looks just like the one I bought for half the price. I think I got screwed. Well, its now done with.

Feb 25 13 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 5,022
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


Looks like the OP isn't the only one to have the idea. Westcott sells an accessory beauty dish-style deflector to be used with their Rapid Box softboxes including their Octa. It's on sale for $20.

http://fjwestcott.com/product/light-mod … ctor-plate

Rapid Boxes are Westcott's contribution to the growing list of softboxes that open like umbrellas and don't require speed rings - just a less expensive "speed ring adapter" for each brand of strobe.

Now Westcott, Norman, Photogenic, SP Studio Systems and probably others market these quick-to-setup softboxes.

I have two 3x4-foot Norman softboxes as well as a strip box and an Octo from SP Studio Systems that I've had for years. If I'm using all four at a shoot (not likely, but three is common), these little jewels save me 20-30 minutes in setting up for a shoot and another 20 minutes or so tearing down afterwards.

The only problem is, none of these take grids. Of course you wouldn't want a grid if you're using your Octo as a dish. But I'd like to have grids for the boxes - especially the small strip light.

The mechanisms for all of these boxes (including the OP's) all look the same, but I don't know whether the Westcott deflector will fit all of them. I think there's a good chance that it will.

A rep for Omega Brandess, who markets SP's probucts (and those of a couple dozen other small photo equipment manufacturers) told me that SP has the patent on the mechanism.

The Rapid Boxes are shown with speedlights, but if they use the SP-patented mechanism the should work with studio strobes as well.

Btw, for those of you who shoot film and like your enlargers sturdy, Omega Brandess started out marketing Omega enlargers and darkroom equipment. Their predecessor companies were Simmon Omega (which Simon Nathan once joked in his photo mag column was named for two brothers, Simmon and Omega) and Omega Satter.
Mar 26 13 01:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chad Andreo Photo-Video
Posts: 22
West Palm Beach, Florida, US


any updates on this setup?
Jan 13 14 12:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,129
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Looks to be as expensive as PCB products.

Jan 13 14 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Herman Surkis
Posts: 8,129
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


And it is amazing that stores that say they have it do not show it.
Or that Fotodiox on their site show the AB model without the beauty dish adapter for $100, and on Amazon the one for Bowens with the  BD adapter is only $80. Oh and Amazon, does not charge shipping but Diox does.

What gives with crazy pricing and availability???
Jan 13 14 03:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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