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John Jebbia
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Interesting discussion on the radio today. Apparently there is a growing movement to apply equal employment opportunity rules to those with tattoos. I knew this was coming sooner or later.
Feb 17 13 10:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Marlow Rae
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Seattle, Washington, US


I'm glad it is. What I choose to do with my skin in no way effects my competence in the workplace.
Feb 17 13 10:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Lee N wrote:
I'm glad it is. What I choose to do with my skin in no way effects my competence in the workplace.

You don't think an employer should have the right to hire or not hire someone with a face full of tattoos?

Feb 17 13 10:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
Posts: 8,587
Pensacola, Florida, US


John Jebbia wrote:

You don't think an employer should have the right to hire or not hire someone with a face full of tattoos?

Not really.
Face tats used to be an automatic qualifier for disability benefits, since it rendered folks unemployable and they were believed the be mentally ill.  But.. that's not the way it is anymore.

Feb 17 13 10:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Lee N wrote:
I'm glad it is. What I choose to do with my skin in no way effects my competence in the workplace.

Yup.

But it's also a major reason why I got mine where they are easily hidden for work purposes.

Feb 17 13 10:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


Lee N wrote:
I'm glad it is. What I choose to do with my skin in no way effects my competence in the workplace.
NicoleNudes wrote:
Yup.

So personal choices in life should come with no consequences?

Feb 17 13 10:15 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eastfist
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Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


I'd have a problem with a kid with true Nazi swastika and other Nazi propaganda all over his scrawny arms serving me my fries.
Feb 17 13 10:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Velvet Paper Photo
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Lexington, Kentucky, US


Eastfist wrote:
I'd have a problem with a kid with true Nazi swastika and other Nazi propaganda all over his scrawny arms serving me my fries.

+1

Feb 17 13 10:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
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Pensacola, Florida, US


John Jebbia wrote:

Lee N wrote:
I'm glad it is. What I choose to do with my skin in no way effects my competence in the workplace.

So personal choices in life should come with no consequences?

This is a broad question.  Whether or not I believe there should be a consequence would depend on the personal choice.  Choosing to have a visible tattoo?  No.  [However, as the person above me mentioned, people with racist or hateful tattoos will probably face consequences.  But is it because they are racist or because they have a tattoo?]

Feb 17 13 10:22 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
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John Jebbia wrote:
So personal choices in life should come with no consequences?

When it comes to making a modification to your own body, like a tattoo, I don't think it should have consequences in a work environment or being employable.

Feb 17 13 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
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Wynd Mulysa wrote:

This is a broad question.  Whether or not I believe there should be a consequence would depend on the personal choice.  Choosing to have a visible tattoo?  No.  [However, as the person above me mentioned, people with racist or hateful tattoos will probably face consequences.  But is it because they are racist or because they have a tattoo?]

+1

Feb 17 13 10:29 pm  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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NicoleNudes wrote:
When it comes to making a modification to your own body, like a tattoo, I don't think it should have consequences in a work environment or being employable.

What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

Feb 17 13 10:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Eastfist
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Green Bay, Wisconsin, US


Wynd Mulysa wrote:
This is a broad question.  Whether or not I believe there should be a consequence would depend on the personal choice.  Choosing to have a visible tattoo?  No.  [However, as the person above me mentioned, people with racist or hateful tattoos will probably face consequences.  But is it because they are racist or because they have a tattoo?]

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with body modifcation (tattoos, piercings, etc), but it goes back to the same argument of wearing a T-Shirt with something "potentially" offensive to work.  Who knows what will offend whom? That's why it's called a "uniform" or "dress code", to keep things simple and neutral, which isn't unreasonable in itself.

Feb 17 13 10:38 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
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John Jebbia wrote:

What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

I would look at the comment, I just agreed with above this post.

Feb 17 13 10:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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NicoleNudes
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


John Jebbia wrote:
What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

Wynd Mulysa: [However, as the person above me mentioned, people with racist or hateful tattoos will probably face consequences.  But is it because they are racist or because they have a tattoo?]

Feb 17 13 10:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
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John Jebbia wrote:

What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

Human Resources would issue you daily temporary tatts to turn the forehead tatt into "Duck You," with a graphic of Donald.

But then you'd claim to suffer from Anatidaephobia, a fear of being watched by a duck. Another disability lawsuit.

Feb 17 13 10:55 pm  Link  Quote 
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Orca Bay Images
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Lodi, California, US


Wynd Mulysa wrote:
[However, as the person above me mentioned, people with racist or hateful tattoos will probably face consequences.  But is it because they are racist or because they have a tattoo?]

The employer will likely suffer, too. Imagine swastika tattoos on the catering staff at a bar mitzvah.

Feb 17 13 11:00 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
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Columbus, Ohio, US


If I was hiring someone, and there was no public/customer contact, I wouldn't give shit.

But if I was hiring someone who would have public/customer contact on behalf of my company....on my dime....yes I'm gonna give a shit about facial, neck, & hand tattoos.

Right, wrong, or indifferent doesn't matter, it is what it is. I'm not going to lose business on the account of someone elses personal choices.
Feb 17 13 11:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
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Pensacola, Florida, US


Small Fruit Pits wrote:
If I was hiring someone, and there was no public/customer contact, I wouldn't give shit.

But if I was hiring someone who would have public/customer contact on behalf of my company....on my dime....yes I'm gonna give a shit about facial, neck, & hand tattoos.

Right, wrong, or indifferent doesn't matter, it is what it is. I'm not going to lose business on the account of someone elses personal choices.

One time a friend of mine was trying to sell his old car stereo on craigslist and he asked me to hold it so he could take a picture of it.  He'd put up the ad without a picture and had gotten a response from someone wanting a picture.  I asked my friend if he thought my hand tattoos were going to make the person not want to buy it anymore.  He is also covered in tattoos and he said, "no."  But after he sent the picture, the guy never got back to him.  smile.  So now we joke that my hand tattoos made the car stereo look too terrible to buy. 

Now, that is discrimination.

Feb 17 13 11:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mischa Marie
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Sacramento, California, US


John Jebbia wrote:

What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

Come on John, how many people actually go around tattooing "fuck you" on their heads? Are you comparing a harmless wrist tattoo to a curse word on the face? hmm

Feb 17 13 11:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Mischa Marie
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Sacramento, California, US


I like how people are just going with the worst, like we all fucking walk around with swastikas and curse words....

Is my flower on my arm really comparable to hate symbols? Really? SMH...
Feb 17 13 11:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wynd Mulysa
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Mischa Marie wrote:
Come on John, how many people actually go around tattooing "fuck you" on their heads? Are you comparing a harmless wrist tattoo to a curse word on the face? hmm

I do know of a few people with tattoos on that level, but they are not the type of people who will ever apply for jobs.

Edit: This guy, Horseshit, came to mind.  I googled him and found this photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/marketmedi … otostream/

The guy's name is Horseshit because that's what he got tattooed on his face.


...But anyway, people with tattoos who want to work jobs are a different story.

Feb 17 13 11:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Burlap Rats
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Riverside, California, US


Mischa Marie wrote:

Come on John, how many people actually go around tattooing "fuck you" on their heads? Are you comparing a harmless wrist tattoo to a curse word on the face? hmm

Yeah, When I got my hands, head and wrists tattooed I knew full well I would cut job probability down by way more than half. I was fine with that. But to compare my kids names, a goldfish and a rose to Hitler's portrait on my forehead. . .

Feb 17 13 11:51 pm  Link  Quote 
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Michael Kerrek
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Orlando, Florida, US


John Jebbia wrote:
What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

I'm thinking someone with "fuck you" tattooed on their forehead is likely to have many other factors which make them unemployable, beyond the tattoo. Besides, even if tattoos are deemed a protected status for employment, there's nothing that says they have to hire people who are vulgar. That tattoo makes you vulgar before you even open your mouth, so it's a pretty moot point.

Feb 18 13 01:04 am  Link  Quote 
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Gianantonio
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Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


John Jebbia wrote:
What if I was applying for a job at Disneyland with "fuck you" tattooed on my forehead?

Who would see it while you are wearing your Mickey Mouse costume?

Feb 18 13 05:16 am  Link  Quote 
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Cherrystone
Posts: 36,036
Columbus, Ohio, US


Gianantonio wrote:

Who would see it while you are wearing your Mickey Mouse Goofy costume?

Fixed! big_smile

Feb 18 13 06:11 am  Link  Quote 
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Justin
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Fort Collins, Colorado, US


I've learned to make my hiring decisions based upon the interests of the company and just keep the reasons to my own self. There's very little you can say to someone that they won't take personally.

Recommended: "We have filled the position. Thank you for your interest."

Less recommended, but if they press: "You and others were well qualified, and it was a close call, but we had a stellar candidate who's just the right fit."

Not recommended: "We just were not impressed by your attitude / posture / language / presentation / attire / inexperience / unkempt hair / tattoos / body odor / cigarette breath / tardiness / flatulence / attention deficit during the interview," whatever.
Feb 18 13 06:44 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I love how the OP is going with the most extreme examples of tattoos. Seriously dude... How does a "Fuck You" tattoo on the forehead compare with my Russian doll tattoo on my biceps? Or my mermaid on my calf? Or my Eye of Horus on my wrist? Get a fucking clue.

I showed up to my interview for a big financial institution with 2 of my 4 tattoos being visible. And guess what? I was hired. There is this one dude who has lots of tattoos from the neck down. He's been working there for a long time.

My tattoos are making me unemployable? Bitch, please.
Feb 18 13 07:37 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


P I X I E wrote:
I love how the OP is going with the most extreme examples of tattoos. Seriously dude... How does a "Fuck You" tattoo on the forehead compare with my Russian doll tattoo on my biceps? Or my mermaid on my calf? Or my Eye of Horus on my wrist? Get a fucking clue.

I showed up to my interview for a big financial institution with 2 of my 4 tattoos being visible. And guess what? I was hired. There is this one dude who has lots of tattoos from the neck down. He's been working there for a long time.

My tattoos are making me unemployable? Bitch, please.

For someone who supposedly loves what I said, it sure doesn't seem like it from the rest of your drivel.

Feb 18 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


John Jebbia wrote:

For someone who supposedly loves what I said, it sure doesn't seem like it from the rest of your drivel.

Sarcasm. I can't believe I have to mention it...

Feb 18 13 07:45 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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P I X I E wrote:
Sarcasm. I can't believe I have to mention it...

Well thanks for clearing that up.

Feb 18 13 07:46 am  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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depends on the tattoo...
Feb 18 13 07:47 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


John Jebbia wrote:

Well thanks for clearing that up.

Still though, I'd love to know why you take the most extreme example, which is not very common.

Feb 18 13 07:48 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Anna Adrielle wrote:
depends on the tattoo...

Obviously.

Feb 18 13 07:49 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


What I find interesting is people covered in tattoos talk about freedom of choice... unless the person making a choice is the one interviewing them for a job.
Feb 18 13 07:50 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


P I X I E wrote:
Still though, I'd love to know why you take the most extreme example, which is not very common.

Ok.. here's a less extreme example. A person with "I love monkeys" tattooed on their forehead. Shouldn't an employer be allowed to decide they don't want that representing their business interests?

Feb 18 13 07:53 am  Link  Quote 
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P I X I E
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Toronto, Ontario, Canada


John Jebbia wrote:

Ok.. here's a less extreme example. A person with "I love monkeys" tattooed on their forehead. Shouldn't an employer be allowed to decide they don't want that representing their business interests?

Forehead tattoos are not very common either.

Jesus Christ you're dense.

Feb 18 13 07:54 am  Link  Quote 
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Decay of Memory
Posts: 572
Asheville, North Carolina, US


I see a difference between applying equal opportunity rules, or the state mandating an action, and what may be reasonable for an employer and an employee.

Tattoos are becoming more acceptable, there seems little reason to mandate through government action that employers have to accept them.
Feb 18 13 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


P I X I E wrote:
Forehead tattoos are not very common either.

Jesus Christ you're dense.

My name's not Jesus Christ.

Feb 18 13 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
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John Jebbia
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Phoenix, Arizona, US


P I X I E wrote:
Forehead tattoos are not very common either.

Jesus Christ you're dense.
John Jebbia wrote:
My name's not Jesus Christ.

Unless of course, you're telling Jesus Christ he's dense. Though not sure what that has to do with the topic..

Feb 18 13 07:59 am  Link  Quote 
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