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my_other_profile
Posts: 666
Ankeny, Iowa, US


Right now, I'm limited to heal brush to remove imperfections and adjusting contrast/clarity/color to change the appearance of skin.  I don't really want to go the gaussian blur route at any point, ever.

How do you even go about beginning to learn to retouch skin?  The first few articles I read went the "just blur it" route.
Feb 18 13 05:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Velvet Paper Photo
Posts: 468
Lexington, Kentucky, US


Create a new layer, fill with 50% grey, set blend mode to overlay & dodge & burn on that.
Feb 18 13 05:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


Feb 18 13 05:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Chase Retouching
Posts: 39
Kansas City, Missouri, US


R G wrote:
Get this down... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT8ZBSoy_IY

That's an amazing video. So many things to learn from it. I think he does an especially good job focusing on the overall image and improving it, instead of saying "hey, watch me spend ten hours zoomed in at 400% perfecting every single pore and wrinkle." Obviously that's important too, but it can be too easy to just focus on that and miss the big picture.

The very start of the video where he's talking about learning how to do something vs why (and when) to do it is really good to think about too.

Feb 18 13 08:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


Chase Retouching wrote:

That's an amazing video. So many things to learn from it. I think he does an especially good job focusing on the overall image and improving it, instead of saying "hey, watch me spend ten hours zoomed in at 400% perfecting every single pore and wrinkle." Obviously that's important too, but it can be too easy to just focus on that and miss the big picture.

The very start of the video where he's talking about learning how to do something vs why (and when) to do it is really good to think about too.

It's a good video and zooming at 400% is a no no. : )

Feb 18 13 08:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Chase Retouching
Posts: 39
Kansas City, Missouri, US


R G wrote:

It's a good video and zooming at 400% is a no no. : )

Oh come on. More zoom = better skin. Everyone knows that.

Kidding, I promise smile

My point is that after watching this video about ten times, you could round it out well by learning various finer-detail techniques like ways to remove stray hairs, for instance. I divide things into two rough categories in my mind: broad and pixel-level adjustments. Using dodge and burn with a big brush to reshape the light and emphasize features would be a broad adjustment, using dodge and burn to make individual skin blemishes would be a pixel-level one.

Of course, the funny part is that in a lot of ways the broad adjustments take a fraction of the time as the tiny ones, yet they have an equal or bigger impact on the picture. It's good to learn a balance of both!

Feb 18 13 09:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


Chase Retouching wrote:

Oh come on. More zoom = better skin. Everyone knows that.

Kidding, I promise smile

My point is that after watching this video about ten times, you could round it out well by learning various finer-detail techniques like ways to remove stray hairs, for instance. I divide things into two rough categories in my mind: broad and pixel-level adjustments. Using dodge and burn with a big brush to reshape the light and emphasize features would be a broad adjustment, using dodge and burn to make individual skin blemishes would be a pixel-level one.

Of course, the funny part is that in a lot of ways the broad adjustments take a fraction of the time as the tiny ones, yet they have an equal or bigger impact on the picture. It's good to learn a balance of both!

I see you are focused on the clean ups but make sure you have a good conversion first that helps a lot. For me the clean ups is all in one I move in and out cloning and d&b but I do try to clone first especially if I see things that would take too long to d&b (Also, I do try the healing brush from time to time). Then color, lastly final touches then i look at the image with everything on and might clean up some more or change this or that with adjustment layers. Really basic and old school really.

Feb 18 13 10:18 pm  Link  Quote 
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robert b mitchell
Posts: 1,042
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Just about everything you wanted to know about retouching and more. Join and learn. Its exciting!!!

http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/
Feb 18 13 10:26 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
chasecaleb
Posts: 154
Kansas City, Missouri, US


R G wrote:

I see you are focused on the clean ups but make sure you have a good conversion first that helps a lot. For me the clean ups is all in one I move in and out cloning and d&b but I do try to clone first especially if I see things that would take too long to d&b (Also, I do try the healing brush from time to time). Then color, lastly final touches then i look at the image with everything on and might clean up some more or change this or that with adjustment layers. Really basic and old school really.

You're talking to the guy who shoots on film more than digital, couldn't agree more about basic and old school.

Feb 18 13 10:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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pellepiano
Posts: 2,250
Stockholm, Stockholm, Sweden


Feb 19 13 01:29 am  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
Koray
Posts: 6,672
Ankara, Ankara, Turkey


robert b mitchell wrote:
Just about everything you wanted to know about retouching and more. Join and learn. Its exciting!!!

http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/

hahaha big_smile

Feb 19 13 02:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sbourson
Posts: 538
Paris, Île-de-France, France


natalia taffarel DVD & Workshop is the perfect way to learn retouching
Feb 19 13 03:14 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pascual Stromsnes
Posts: 228
Oslo, Oslo, Norway


sbourson wrote:
natalia taffarel DVD & Workshop is the perfect way to learn retouching

I concur.

Go to http://digitalphotoshopretouching.com/o … uching-dvd and buy them all.

Feb 19 13 03:35 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Kristiana-Retouch
Posts: 284
London, England, United Kingdom


You can find million videos about skin retouching without using blur.
http://youtu.be/J2i8epv1HiM

http://youtu.be/AlcCWQAZDic

http://youtu.be/RM0byiIcTJ0

http://youtu.be/4ROqt6ZLBXw

Principles are the same. Already mentioned D&B in few different variations.
It is long and painful route.

Maybe in some cases you can use less "painful" route:
http://youtu.be/tei5qFXJUpY

Have a popcorn and enjoy your youtube evening smile
Feb 19 13 12:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Greg Curran
Posts: 194
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


sbourson wrote:
natalia taffarel DVD & Workshop is the perfect way to learn retouching

I have them all, great place to start.  But then you have to practice them a lot.  Can't just run through them once and think you have it.

Feb 19 13 12:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
365 Digitals Exposed
Posts: 725
Perris, California, US


sbourson wrote:
natalia taffarel DVD & Workshop is the perfect way to learn retouching

you mean you want People to go back to cs4 tutorials .....we are in the CS6 era.

I want  a DVV with color toning, like  ibarra, emily soto, david hills, and much more. including extracting crazy hairs using chanels,  you tube/vimeo  is  flooded of good D/B tutorials.

Feb 19 13 04:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Natalia_Taffarel
Posts: 7,221
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina


365 Digitals Exposed wrote:
you mean you want People to go back to cs4 tutorials .....we are in the CS6 era.

LOL

You can do everything I do with photoshop 7 smile

365 Digitals Exposed wrote:
I want  a DVV with color toning, like  ibarra, emily soto, david hills, and much more. including extracting crazy hairs using chanels,  you tube/vimeo  is  flooded of good D/B tutorials.

In this we agree. Loads of perfectly good tutorials out there.

BTW Ibarra does workshops, Emily Soto does too.
David Hill has videos

Extracting crazy hair aint that hard if the shoot was set up for it smile

Feb 19 13 05:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
365 Digitals Exposed
Posts: 725
Perris, California, US


Natalia_Taffarel wrote:

365 Digitals Exposed wrote:
you mean you want People to go back to cs4 tutorials .....we are in the CS6 era.

LOL

You can do everything I do with photoshop 7 smile


In this we agree. Loads of perfectly good tutorials out there.

BTW Ibarra does workshops, Emily Soto does too.
David Hill has videos

Extracting crazy hair aint that hard if the shoot was set up for it smile

I know they sale tutorials but I want  all in one. smile

Feb 19 13 05:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


Christiana1990 wrote:
Maybe in some cases you can use less "painful" route:
http://youtu.be/tei5qFXJUpY

Have a popcorn and enjoy your youtube evening smile

Please don't promote blurring and filters (lol) as person that started thread didn't want blur but to learn the best way for the best possible result and it isn't painful you can do a really good d&b in about 1hr or 90 mins at most. Barring beauty, heavy cosmetic jobs those take time.

Feb 19 13 05:30 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 339
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


robert b mitchell wrote:
Just about everything you wanted to know about retouching and more. Join and learn. Its exciting!!!

http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/

Absolutely, anything you want do to, there is a step by step video.  In detail.  Best money you'll ever spend.

Feb 19 13 06:46 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


David Nelson Photograph wrote:
Absolutely, anything you want do to, there is a step by step video.  In detail.  Best money you'll ever spend.

Would you guys please put an LOL at the end of your statements so I know that your kidding. You are kidding right? : )

Feb 19 13 06:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Kristiana-Retouch
Posts: 284
London, England, United Kingdom


R G wrote:

Please don't promote blurring and filters (lol) as person that started thread didn't want blur but to learn the best way for the best possible result and it isn't painful you can do a really good d&b in about 1hr or 90 mins at most. Barring beauty, heavy cosmetic jobs those take time.

Maybe you didn't notice - I posted 4(!) d&b tutorials and 1(!) fs using words "maybe", "in some cases" - in my opinion my statements shouldn't lead to: "oh this technique is the best - I will use only this over all face" lol

And for beginner d&b IS painful for first times. More experience you gain for it, more easy it goes.

Feb 20 13 03:50 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


I know you did my friend and I like those first four you posted those are helpful that last one sucked and is responsible for a lot of okay to bad retouching trying to pass off as good it's pretty obvious when its done. At least to the trained eye. That is not true it's not painful maybe for some it is but for others it's simple they don't overcomplicate or overthink it like I did myself and maybe you also from the sound of it.

If the poster likes my style of retouching and has any questions after a few months of trying she can send me a message and I will help. There is a tendency to remove everything but there should be variations on skin anyhow it shouldn't look like a dish unless you are told to do it like that.
Feb 20 13 07:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 339
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


my_other_profile wrote:
Right now, I'm limited to heal brush to remove imperfections and adjusting contrast/clarity/color to change the appearance of skin.  I don't really want to go the gaussian blur route at any point, ever.

How do you even go about beginning to learn to retouch skin?  The first few articles I read went the "just blur it" route.

Here is a basic skin softening that will allow you to retain skin  texture.  this does not enhance the eyes, just the skin.
1. Duplicate the background
2.  Go under Gaussian Blur-drag the slider to the right until skin smoothers out and different skin tones go away.  DO NOT click ok, simply remember where you stopped.  Probably 8.2 to 8.4
3. Cancel
4. Go under filter and choose High Pass.  Enter the number from the Gaussian Blur.
5. Re-open Gaussian Blur and enter 1/3 of the number you memorized from the Gaussian Blur
6. Invert the layer
7. Go to layers panel and change blend mode to Linear Light.
8. Lower the opacity to 50%
9. Hold the alt key and click on add layer mask
10. Change your foreground color to white, choose a soft edged brush, set the opacity to 100%
11. Paint over the skin area, make sure to avoid lips, eyes, nostrils, eyebrows, hair or the edge of the face.
12. Check to see if you missed any areas by going to the layers panel and press and hold the alt key and click directly on layer mask thumbnail.  Any black areas haven't been softened, so get your brush and cover those areas.
13 Alt click on the layer mask to return to the normal image.

It seems many steps at first, but after you do it a few times it will become second nature.
Note that we haven't enhanced the eyes, and the blemishes should be removed before softening the skin.

Feb 20 13 08:03 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 339
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


R G wrote:

Would you guys please put an LOL at the end of your statements so I know that your kidding. You are kidding right? : )

Actually, I'm not kidding.  As a professional retoucher, you obviously have a different skill set, but for the rest of us it fill all of my needs

Feb 20 13 08:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Nelson Photograph
Posts: 339
Eau Claire, Wisconsin, US


David Nelson Photograph wrote:

Actually, I'm not kidding.  As a professional retoucher, you obviously have a different skill set, but for the rest of us it fill all of my needs

Actually, I misread that as photoshopuser, when it actually was photoshopelementsuser.  Two different animals.

Feb 20 13 08:10 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


365 Digitals Exposed wrote:

I know they sale tutorials but I want  all in one. smile

Sign me up I want one too : )

Feb 20 13 08:21 am  Link  Quote 
Retoucher
Retouch007
Posts: 403
East Newark, New Jersey, US


David Nelson Photograph wrote:

Actually, I'm not kidding.  As a professional retoucher, you obviously have a different skill set, but for the rest of us it fill all of my needs

Cool, I will take a look I stay the student looking to learn something all the time.

Feb 20 13 09:16 am  Link  Quote 
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