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V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?
Feb 20 13 02:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Jackson frontier photos
Posts: 531
Joplin, Missouri, US


vbabe wrote:
What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?

The greatest and most professional photographer that ever lived once had a lack of experience.

Feb 20 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Andrew Thomas Evans
Posts: 23,956
Minneapolis, Minnesota, US


Bad or distasteful images. Past work is not always correct in predicting future work, but if their images aren't something you could see yourself in then I would pass.




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Feb 20 13 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jackson frontier photos
Posts: 531
Joplin, Missouri, US


And, red flags for what?  Poor quality or psychopathology?
Feb 20 13 02:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Abbitt Photography
Posts: 11,365
Oakland Acres, Iowa, US


A portfolio that indicates they will not represent your likeness well or in a way you desire.

Requirements or pay statements that in inconsistent with what you seek.

Personally, I wouldn't care about credits. Not knowing the name of the person does not in any way reduce the talent that it took to produce that photo.
Feb 20 13 02:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


I got a request for a shoot recently and the photographer has 2 photos in the port. One is a photo of himself and another I cannot tell if it's a model or himself as the lighting is a bit dark. He joined earlier last year, no tags or anything. I am iffy on it if he's been on MM for almost a year and no photos of his work online since it states he's been doing photography for years. He wants to shoot a good concept, but with no samples of any of his work, I am iffy on it.
Feb 20 13 02:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 18,984
Chicago, Illinois, US


vbabe wrote:
I got a request for a shoot recently and the photographer has 2 photos in the port. One is a photo of himself and another I cannot tell if it's a model or himself as the lighting is a bit dark. He joined earlier last year, no tags or anything. I am iffy on it if he's been on MM for almost a year and no photos of his work online since it states he's been doing photography for years. He wants to shoot a good concept, but with no samples of any of his work, I am iffy on it.

Your questions are reasonable so ask him.   Heck, I'm curious.   Any member model or photographer who's been here for a while should have more images.   Especially someone who claims to have been shooting for years.   If you have safety concerns ask if you can bring a friend.   More importantly if its unpaid will you get images you can use.

Feb 20 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
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BeautybyGod
Posts: 3,016
Los Angeles, California, US


vbabe wrote:
I got a request for a shoot recently and the photographer has 2 photos in the port. One is a photo of himself and another I cannot tell if it's a model or himself as the lighting is a bit dark. He joined earlier last year, no tags or anything. I am iffy on it if he's been on MM for almost a year and no photos of his work online since it states he's been doing photography for years. He wants to shoot a good concept, but with no samples of any of his work, I am iffy on it.

CAM the sumbitch. lol

"Provide 4 Different Photos (or more!)
At least four different photos are required for all accounts. No duplicates, re-crops, or manipulations of the same image. Members are expected to maintain a minimum of four relevant photos at all times."


i don't understand why a model would even bother to trade messages with somebody with only 2-4 photos in their portfolio. you have no idea whether you're going to get any decent images or not.

Feb 20 13 03:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mark Harris Photography
Posts: 490
Edison, New Jersey, US


vbabe wrote:
What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?

If a model claims extensive experience and has only a few cell phone mirror photographs in their port, that is indicative of a problem. For photographers, I would expect to see some variety in both concept and models and some level of technical quality.

Feb 20 13 03:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


Good points. His profile pic looks like it's his photo for his OkCupid profile. Even has the OkCupid label on the image. He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.
Feb 20 13 03:39 pm  Link  Quote 
Digital Artist
ShuttingDown
Posts: 68
Crystal Lake, Illinois, US


I'm very new to MM, but these may be helpful.  Just some observations I have made in my own searching for folks to work with.

Red flags:

1. Port contains only self-shot images of low quality.

2. Port contains images that are all similar (e.g. from a single shoot with same wardrobe, etc.)  I like to see a bit of variety myself.

3. Newest photos are one or more years old, yet the person is still actively signing in to MM.  Makes you wonder if their look/work is the same.

4. Links in their profile to other websites showing off work that is against your personal views.  Personally, some models linked to blogs, etc. that were porn; I choose not to work with folks in that industry.  That's just speaking for myself of course.

5. I'll also take off a "few points" if the person has been here a while, but doesn't have any credited photos.
Feb 20 13 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,490
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


vbabe wrote:
Good points. His profile pic looks like it's his photo for his OkCupid profile. Even has the OkCupid label on the image. He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.

Why would you even bother, their must by more photographers near you with a stronger port to shoot with.

Feb 20 13 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Melodye Joy
Posts: 542
Rancho Cucamonga, California, US


Lack of imagination, creativity and an artists eye.

I also look at what they have done, and if anything they did in past reflects what I might be looking for to update my portfolio or complete a published inquiry.

A major issue is when someone comes to me with a large opportunity, especially a paid shoot that is in some erroneous, unrealistic amount, when I personally have a lack of experience.
Feb 20 13 03:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,462
Salinas, California, US


vbabe wrote:
Good points. His profile pic looks like it's his photo for his OkCupid profile. Even has the OkCupid label on the image. He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.

Our profiles and portfolio is how we represent ourselves on this site.  Even though he might write a "good line" of ideas, he does not represent himself well for having been around for so long.  Also he does not even have the minimal amount of images (2?) required for a membership here, as it should be at least 4 images.   You could send a CAM and let the admin of this site check him out. 

That being said, "red flags" to you personally might be considered any profile or portfolio that does not present itself to you in a manner to your own liking.   Work with those who've already impressed you with what they present of themselves through what you see of their work here.  The comments (tags) should also be considered as well.  Most important is try to find a group of "like minded" people to work with and stick with them.  You'll be happier for it!  wink

Feb 20 13 04:03 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


Here is my list of what i look for in red flags.

1. Incorrect spelled words on bio.

2. Cell self shot images on port.

3, More Ass Booty Tail images I car to look at.

4. Credits that indicate nothing worth reading about.

5. No expierance but wants top dollar for pay.

6. will not shoot nudes unless paid the allowed amount.

7.No TFP unless you pay them for gas make up artist and wardrope

8. Must have llama herder friend grandma or bouncer at shoot.

9. Demands all RAW images on day of the shoot.

10. Will not shoot with Fat over weight photographers

just a few red flags i dont bother with.
Feb 20 13 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,462
Salinas, California, US


Gosh, the slowness of some posts sure is screwy!  A server problem?  hmm
Feb 20 13 04:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
V for Victory Modeling
Posts: 436
Roseville, California, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
10. Will not shoot with Fat over weight photographers

just a few red flags i dont bother with.

OMG, I cannot believe that would even be an issue with some people. LOL!

Feb 20 13 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ontherocks
Posts: 22,209
Salem, Oregon, US


diva'ness in the profile. negativity. a picture of them with their boyfriend who is a navy seal and will beat me up. so skinny they look unhealthy.
Feb 20 13 04:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,080
Sacramento, California, US


vbabe wrote:
the photographer has 2 photos in the port. One is a photo of himself and another I cannot tell if it's a model or himself as the lighting is a bit dark. He joined earlier last year, no tags or anything.
vbabe wrote:
He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.

I would disagree. That is not a "red flag".

That is a air raid siren with fireworks and blazing search light.

With two pictures, he can have a 60 page screenplay; but he won't be able to get those ideas on to an image. Ideas will be useless without the ability to create the images

Feb 20 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,909
Los Angeles, California, US


1. one bad image and i go to the next portfolio. Only one.

2. the model has lots of "creative ideas" they want to partner with a photographer on

3. they don't match the stats I need to fit the clothing

4. they say god bless or some other religious saying on their profile or in a message to me

5. they don't list their stats

really for me it a matter of the perfect face for what i need at the time
Feb 20 13 04:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Bravo Magic Images
Posts: 765
Temple City, California, US


vbabe wrote:

OMG, I cannot believe that would even be an issue with some people. LOL!

Model had asked for me to email her images of me or meet up for coffee as she does not or will never shoot with fat photographers i told her i was a body builder but she still demanded to see what i looked like lol

Feb 20 13 04:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Art of the nude
Posts: 11,781
Olivet, Michigan, US


vbabe wrote:
What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?

Demands, like "all images at the end of the shoot" or "I get to decide what is done with the images", unless they're planning on paying.

Nasty attitudes, including the likes of "I don't do nudes because I have morals."  Make your own choices for yourself, but when it comes to the choices others make, being judgmental doesn't look good.

Fear / threats.  "I always bring my boyfriend to shoots; it's a matter of safety."  If the model is afraid of me, how are we supposed to build a working relationship.

Lack of value for my role; "I won't work for FREE!!" or "NO FREE NUDES!!!".  Nude work is a big part of what I do, but whether or not it's in the plans for a specific shoot, I want to work with people who value my efforts.  An exchange of professional services is not "free."

Feb 20 13 04:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Light and Lens Studio
Posts: 1,204
Sisters, Oregon, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Here is my list of what i look for in red flags.

1. Miss spelled words on bio.

2. Cell self shot images on port.

3, More Ass Booty Tail images I car to look at.

4. Credits that indicate nothing worth reading about.

5. No expierance but wants top dollar for pay.

6. will not shoot nudes unless paid the allowed amount.

7.No TFP unless you pay them for gas make up artist and wardrope

8. Must have Escort friend grandma or bouncer at shoot.

9. Demands all RAW images on day of the shoot.

10. Will not shoot with Fat over weight photographers

just a few red flags i dont bother with.

All of the above + the biggie: REFERENCES !  If he can't give references, that would be the biggest red flag of all for me. 

And, before scheduling a shoot, you might want to consider meeting him in a safe, public place.  There you can discuss his work (or lack thereof) and his vision for what he wants to shoot.  You might want to also ascertain that he has something more advanced than a point and shoot -not that good work can't be done with one, but if he's a serious photographer he's probably going to have serious tools of the trade.

Feb 20 13 04:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,462
Salinas, California, US


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Model had asked for me to email her images of me or meet up for coffee as she does not or will never shoot with fat photographers i told her i was a body builder but she still demanded to see what i looked like lol

I am good friends with some black male photographers here on this site.  They don't sound "black" on the phone and have told me about female models who are racist and say something upon meeting them and walk out!  I'm sure that racism still exists, and so does prejudice towards age, weight, and just not looking like the models "idea" of what a photographer should look like.  Shocking, isn't it!  And photographers are the ones supposed to be making the model look good, and therefore should have the most concern about physical appearance.   It's a strange World, huh?

Feb 20 13 04:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Images by MR
Posts: 7,490
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada


Patrick Walberg wrote:

They don't sound "black" on the phone

What does black sound like?

Feb 20 13 04:43 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,462
Salinas, California, US


Art of the nude wrote:
Demands, ...

Stop right there!  ANY "demands!"  I don't like people who are demanding divas.  All those with demands can take it else where.  wink

Feb 20 13 04:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,462
Salinas, California, US


Patrick Walberg wrote:
They don't sound "black" on the phone
Images by MR wrote:
What does black sound like?

Man, that's a GREAT question!  They've had models say "well, um ... you didn't sound black on the phone" or some such thing.  I would love for one of my buddies to tell about that because even though I'm a mix of a whole bunch of stuff ... I look white.   I don't even know what I'm supposed to sound like!  lol

Feb 20 13 04:47 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
name removed3
Posts: 264
Boston, Massachusetts, US


if every shot sucks
Feb 20 13 04:51 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Cherrystone
Posts: 36,025
Columbus, Ohio, US


Light and Lens Studio wrote:

All of the above + the biggie: REFERENCES !  If he can't give references, that would be the biggest red flag of all for me.

References given by the photographer are about as handy as tits on a boar.

References in general, aren't all they're cracked up to be, but better than the above.

Google is your friend OP.....learn how to use it well. And learn how to see what's in front of you on many profiles, vis a vis, learn to read between the lines.

Feb 20 13 04:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Eliza C
Posts: 7,884
Monmouth, Wales, United Kingdom


Bravo Magic Images wrote:
Here is my list of what i look for in red flags.

1. Miss spelled words on bio.

2. Cell self shot images on port.

3, More Ass Booty Tail images I car to look at.

4. Credits that indicate nothing worth reading about.

5. No expierance but wants top dollar for pay.

6. will not shoot nudes unless paid the allowed amount.

7.No TFP unless you pay them for gas make up artist and wardrope

8. Must have Escort friend grandma or bouncer at shoot.

9. Demands all RAW images on day of the shoot.

10. Will not shoot with Fat over weight photographers

just a few red flags i dont bother with.

How about mis spelled words in forum posts?

Ha ha just kidding....I hate grammar fascists. But one of the best models on here with amazing credits does not speak English as her first language so there are a dozen mistakes. So that is nothing to go by.

Feb 20 13 04:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Top Gun Digital
Posts: 1,204
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


vbabe wrote:
Good points. His profile pic looks like it's his photo for his OkCupid profile. Even has the OkCupid label on the image. He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.

The very fact that you posted here asking for red flags is an indication you are not comfortable with this photographer and you have already seen enough red flags to make you concerned.  Why bother proceeding any further, just find someone else to work with.  As others have said, look for someone with a quality port that credits the models so you can contact them for their opinion of the photographer.

Feb 20 13 04:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BeautyAndTheEast
Posts: 16
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


vbabe wrote:
What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?

A picture speaks a thousand words.

Credits are no guarantee of safety or quality. Lack of shoots doesnt mean anything, everyone starts somewhere.

Feb 20 13 05:38 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
The Trousseau
Posts: 469
Alameda, California, US


As a photographer/stylist, I am looking for someone I want to work with.  I want to see clear photos of a face and body that aren't overly processed.  I want to see some intelligence shine through in the writing and I want a positive person who is up for trying something new and having fun at it. 

Were I a model, I would shy away from anyone who didn't have quality images properly credited.  When you are new, you might not get the best, but you don't have to be a top photographer to know that you put your best shots out there, and you give credit where credit is due. 

I don't worry about working with new people.  I am far more concerned that I don't work with creepy or unethical people. 

And remember, you will get lots of offers for TF.  Pick and choose those you want to work with.
Feb 20 13 06:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Gianna Virginia
Posts: 178
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


vbabe wrote:
What are the red flags you look for when browsing ports and people to work with? Lack of credits? Lack of shoots? What else?

I always look at their work and their profile page. If I see they have all these requirments like.... you need to have this, you need to have that, I dont put up with this, I dont put up with that. I never bother with those folks. I'd rather not deal with that kind of arrogance. I dont care how good their work is.

Also, if someone messages me, and gives little or no infomation other than... lets shoot!

There's lots to look out for, but one thing I find obnoxious on a photogs profile is when they write FLAKES: (referring to a potential model they already assume is gonna flake out) Thats a real turn off. If you have been burned on here by someone, that's just one person. Move on, and dont take it out on every other innocent model who is reliable.

But to be safe, I always talk with them over the phone before shooting to get a feel for their character. I get their phone number's and website info and contact one of the model's they have worked with.

Feb 20 13 06:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Deacon Tyler
Posts: 36
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Credited images are a tricky beast - not every model is on model mayhem and not every photographer cares enough about model mayhem to keep their port updated or dig up credits.  The model certainly has the ability to upload the photos to her own port.

I'd much rather show them my websites and invite them into our studio for a consultation to see if it's the best match.  They're more than welcome to bring an escort to the consultation, but unless the escort needs a portfolio update, I'm more comfortable with shoots being down to be down to myself, a female assistant, a makeup artist and the model. 

For me, the big red flags are the escort thing (I've tried to be reasonable about this, but have just had too many problems), or anyone that makes demands, is a diva, or acts as though every photographer is a rape-asaurus rex.

Aside from that, everyone is worth a fair chance.
Feb 20 13 06:14 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BlueMoonPics
Posts: 3,945
New York, New York, US


My only red flag is if a model doesn't write back to my message.
Feb 20 13 06:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MCPHOTO
Posts: 730
Duvall, Washington, US


vbabe wrote:
Good points. His profile pic looks like it's his photo for his OkCupid profile. Even has the OkCupid label on the image. He has some great ideas, but I really need more samples of his work to continue.

Big red flags there at least to me

Feb 20 13 06:20 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
37photog
Posts: 692
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Mostly I look for last login date.  If it's relatively recent I'll still write them.  For the most part about 3-6months & I don't bother.  That and cell phone pics in the mirror, myspace/duckface/booty shot style stuff.
Feb 20 13 06:21 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,930
New York, New York, US


vbabe wrote:
I got a request for a shoot recently and the photographer has 2 photos in the port. One is a photo of himself and another I cannot tell if it's a model or himself as the lighting is a bit dark. He joined earlier last year, no tags or anything. I am iffy on it if he's been on MM for almost a year and no photos of his work online since it states he's been doing photography for years. He wants to shoot a good concept, but with no samples of any of his work, I am iffy on it.

I'd call that red flags.  If he's been a member for a year, he should have some forum posts.  If not it's at least yellow flags.  You might also google both his screen name and his real name, if he'll give it to you.  If he won't, a very large red flag.

And you could also meet in a public place such as a Starbuck's, etc. but from the description you give of his portfolio and his time as a member, I probably wouldn't go to all that much trouble, I'd just send a "Thanks but no thanks," message, if it were me.

Feb 20 13 06:25 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RiverGrizzly
Posts: 688
Annandale, New Jersey, US


37photog wrote:
Mostly I look for last login date.  If it's relatively recent I'll still write them.  For the most part about 3-6months & I don't bother.  That and cell phone pics in the mirror, myspace/duckface/booty shot style stuff.

Duckface really bugs me. But demanding is the real red flag. That and putting down the work of others. -- John ==

Feb 20 13 06:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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