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Photographer
Star
Posts: 17,907
Los Angeles, California, US


Here is the http://assets.modelmayhem.com/images/smilies/scary.pngthing, for people living in LA the majority of clients you meet outside cold calls, and having your book called in because someone saw your work somewhere else, is craigslist.

Some of the clients I have met on craigslist include editorial clients. Small magazines, (circ 50,000) and below will sometimes advertise on craigslist because they just don't know where else to look for photographers. They have an editor who not only does all the layout, and proof reading, and creative direction but who also might have to be the writer for the story they need a photographer for. They don't have time to call Art Center and see some alumni work and then hope they can find someone willing to work for a low editorial rate whose work they also love.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110514/02/4dce475c6a179_m.jpg

The above shot is from an editorial in Pasadena Magazine. I "hooked up" with the editor there by answering a craigslist ad. Crazy right? They don't pay much, but they got us an amazing location in the boneyard for the shoot, and the designers willing to let you pull for a boutique magazine are almost any designer you could wish for.

Some of the other clients I have found are amazing fashion designers putting together their first small lookbook. Again, this is very rewarding work for the right client because you get to combine working with clothes so new no one has seen them, with beautiful locations that designers usually get through friends of friends.

Jobs you might find

Maybe you are free next weekend and don't have a job yet. Getting a $400 second shooting 8 hour wedding gig from an out of town photographer might not be that bad? They use craigslist because they don't know anyone out here, and they need someone good that they can book long distance. Craigslist is perfect for that.

Maybe you use craigslist to score a $500 day event gig for a big brand like Cetaphil who is hosting a table at a gifting suite?

Speaking of gifting suites, they almost all book their new photographers through craigslist. Those gigs pay between $250-$500 a day AND usually the brands you are paired with send home some product with you. $200 perfume for your girlfriend is almost worth having to pretend you watch Pretty Little Liars or 90210.

Want to shoot concerts? I know of several specialty magazines that book concert photographers through craigslist. Some even are national magazines and maybe they just don't have someone in the city that the concert is in so they need a one off, but that one off could lead to steady work. And shooting concerts pays crap, but most concert photographers do it for the music and if they are good enough the relicensing through their agency- not the initial fee.

Are you just starting out? I have more than once booked $300 assisting gigs off of craigslist. A photographer can post an ad and wade though literally dozens of qualified applicants with great references within an hour of posting a casting call. Sure for the better money you need to know how to work every type of grip known to man, but for a smaller day rate ($10 an hour) they really just need a warm body to hold a reflector. You learn and get paid. 

During certain months there is the red carpet work. Smaller films, TV premiers, gifting suites, high end parties- they all need house photographers. And when they get turned down by Getty, they need to find someone to make their guests feel special, and beef up the productions facebook page. Sure they only pay a few hundred, but it is probably the easiest work you will do if you know how to do it. But make sure you know how to do it, cause if you mess it up you will be wishing you had screwed up all the film from a destination wedding. PR people are much worse than brides when disappointed.

$1200 lookbook, not the greatest pay but limited licensing and a nice client. Sure, why not?

In 2006 I used to have steady work shooting cheerleading teams for $250-$400 a day per diem. Every Sat and Sunday during the cheer season. Exhausting, but knowing that I would have between $2000-$3200 a month for three months straight, worth it. Found it on craigslist.



The fact is that there is a shit ton of crap work on craigslist. Like being a tosher, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosher, it can be dirty and degrading to wade through all the literal crap to find the shiny new farthing. But it doesn't make you an automatic loser just because you get some of your work each year from that website.

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/files/2012/06/Mayhew-sewer-flushers.jpg

Craigslist is good for employers, and they know it too

For mid level employers in the photographic industry it is much easier to post an ad on craigslist than to wade through dozens of portfolios on a site like MM, or APA, or well you get what i mean. By posting an ad they know the people responding want to work with them, so they are already ahead of the game and only need to choose whom they want to work with.

For photographers it is the single most visited website when looking for people to round out your team.

For the low ballers and bullshitters, they get flagged off pretty soon, and in the meantime receive a ton of hate mail. You will see 100 bad postings for every good posting, but that is true for any profession looking for work on craigslist.


Here is an example of a gig that isn't the best ever, but not bad for the money being paid and the notice being given.

Event photographer - $500 (San Francisco)
We need a sports event photographer this Saturday. Must have Canon 5D Mark II/III (or 6D/7D). There will be a total of 3 photographers shooting together as a team to cover the event and I need 1 more solid photographer. If you're interested and available, please send me an email with a brief overview of your qualifications and experience along with a link to some of your work for review.

Thanks!

    Location: San Francisco
    it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
    Compensation: $500


Conclusion

Unless you are billing in the hundreds of thousands each year craigslist is still a useful tool. Especially in a major metropolitan area, like Los Angeles County. Sure I only make a small fraction of my living off of gigs I find on there, an event here, a lookbook there, some red carpets, maybe some headshot work, but when doing my taxes at the end of the year I am 5 or 6 thousand ahead of where I would be without it, and I not only get the cash I get the images too.


Now be aware, just like if you work in a preschool, if you look on craigslist for work regularly you are going to get exasperated and need to vent about how the whole world is just so darn aggravating and why can't people be less stupid. The world isn't really that stupid, and as long as you keep your ratning to places like home or MM no one in the real world will know how you feel for those few moments when you just want those sticky hands off your jeans for one gosh darn minute, god I hate all children, they are just the worst or other dark and exasperated thoughts; but if you stick with it, and try not to rant more than once every 2-4 months, you might just find the rewards to sifting through the muck of craigslist is worth the musk itself.

If nothing else it sure does beat working at Spaghetti Factory for a living.
Feb 21 13 10:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,459
Salinas, California, US


Hey Star, are you doing promo for Craigslist now? 


I'm teasing! 


I have used Craigslist for lots of things.  Perhaps the 'best find" was the programmer I now have working on coding projects.   He is really great at programming and at a fair price.  Very professional in his invoice, billing, and bookkeeping in regards to the work he does for me too.   

There have been some models that I've pulled from there, but the funny thing is that most of everyone I know now ... has a profile on Mayhem, Facebook, AND watches Craigslist!  wink
Feb 21 13 10:40 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Patrick Walberg
Posts: 42,459
Salinas, California, US


There are photography and modeling related jobs on there.
Feb 21 13 10:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Marin Photography NYC
Posts: 6,748
New York, New York, US


Great info!...I gotta check it out. I don't have a job at the moment! lol
Feb 21 13 10:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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-JAY-
Posts: 6,277
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


hmm
Feb 22 13 12:27 am  Link  Quote 
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Brooks Avenue Studio
Posts: 582
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


I think they call that hustling;)
Feb 22 13 09:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Anthony
Posts: 2,230
Glendale, California, US


Star nailed it on the head...

I scored some good, steady clients via Craigslist over the past couple years...

A couple of those clients paid straight cash at the end of the day while others did the whole invoice and 1099, but pay is pay, right?

Even in the photo classified sections, I have met and networked with some great professionals and one even helped me out on a video project that I was struggling with.  Met the guy when I sold a tripod on CL...
Feb 22 13 09:58 am  Link  Quote 
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Flex Photography
Posts: 5,085
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada


"Must have Canon 5D Mark II/III (or 6D/7D). "

Must be a promo shoot for Canon.
Why should the brand of camera be a consideration at all!
Feb 22 13 03:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Anthony
Posts: 2,230
Glendale, California, US


Flex Photography wrote:
"Must have Canon 5D Mark II/III (or 6D/7D). "

Must be a promo shoot for Canon.
Why should the brand of camera be a consideration at all!

some cients may like the quality of those cameras or have worked with the CR2 files and are comfortable with it...

either way, works for me since i shoot with a mk2..

mo' money, mo' money...

Feb 22 13 04:44 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sleepy Weasel
Posts: 4,547
Castle Rock, Colorado, US


I really dig that plane engine photo. Gorgeous.
Feb 22 13 07:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jouissance Images
Posts: 744
Bloomington, Minnesota, US


Two many vice cops running stings on Craig's List for my taste. True, some of the same cops are on MM posing as models or photographers.
Feb 22 13 07:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MKPhoto
Posts: 5,664
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada


Flex Photography wrote:
"Must have Canon 5D Mark II/III (or 6D/7D). "

Must be a promo shoot for Canon.
Why should the brand of camera be a consideration at all!

Wedding photographers here, hiring second shooters, want to make sure the images shot by these second shooters blend seamlessly to their workflow.

Feb 22 13 07:17 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


I have had success with Craigslist for some commercials.  Yes, there is a ton of porn and garbage to dig through, but there are some gold nuggets hidden in there.

The last commercial I did was through Craigslist.

Plus it is good for entertainment. Sometimes it is amazing to see the crazy things that people post.
Feb 22 13 09:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


oops sorry. Double post. It didn't look like the first one took.
Feb 22 13 09:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Anthony
Posts: 2,230
Glendale, California, US


Misty R H wrote:
Plus it is good for entertainment. Sometimes it is amazing to see the crazy things that people post.

i like posting crazy ones i find on my Facebook to share a laugh with friends...

Feb 22 13 09:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Misty R H
Posts: 471
Anaheim, California, US


Michael Anthony wrote:

i like posting crazy ones i find on my Facebook to share a laugh with friends...

You are so right.  I have to admit I have also learned alot.  I didn't know how many different fetishes there were until I started looking at Craigslist talent postings.

Feb 22 13 09:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
BBH Photography
Posts: 90
Windsor, Ontario, Canada


Thanks for the tip!
Feb 22 13 10:44 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Michael Anthony
Posts: 2,230
Glendale, California, US


Misty R H wrote:

You are so right.  I have to admit I have also learned alot.  I didn't know how many different fetishes there were until I started looking at Craigslist talent postings.

oh totally...

and the whole CL prostitution thing is crazy... i was selling some RC hobby stuff to this guy and we decided to meet at a local 7-11... i got there about 30 mins before he did, and while im parked there, i see these two pretty girls in a nice car sitting there doing their makeup...

they get a phone call and they take off... 20 mins later, they come back, park and start doing their makeup again... 5 mins later, another call and they take off...

the guy im meeting shows up and we complete the sale, and we start hanging out talking about RC cars when the same girls come back and again, start doing their makeup...

i tell the story to this guy, and he tells me about the CL hookers... the 7-11 was next door to a few motels and that's where these girls were disappearing off to...

turns out, he knows how it goes cuz he hires girls like that on a regular basis at one of the hotels by where we were at... then it gets really weird as he asks me if i want to go hook up with one of these girls as he found a new girl on CL that he has been recently hiring... tells me it will be his treat...

i was in shock and just told him i was out...

haha

Feb 22 13 11:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,859
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Thanks for the info, Star!
Feb 23 13 04:49 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jerry Nemeth
Posts: 26,859
Dearborn, Michigan, US


Michael Anthony wrote:

oh totally...

and the whole CL prostitution thing is crazy... i was selling some RC hobby stuff to this guy and we decided to meet at a local 7-11... i got there about 30 mins before he did, and while im parked there, i see these two pretty girls in a nice car sitting there doing their makeup...

they get a phone call and they take off... 20 mins later, they come back, park and start doing their makeup again... 5 mins later, another call and they take off...

the guy im meeting shows up and we complete the sale, and we start hanging out talking about RC cars when the same girls come back and again, start doing their makeup...

i tell the story to this guy, and he tells me about the CL hookers... the 7-11 was next door to a few motels and that's where these girls were disappearing off to...

turns out, he knows how it goes cuz he hires girls like that on a regular basis at one of the hotels by where we were at... then it gets really weird as he asks me if i want to go hook up with one of these girls as he found a new girl on CL that he has been recently hiring... tells me it will be his treat...

i was in shock and just told him i was out...

haha

Quickies!   smile

Feb 23 13 04:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,784
New York, New York, US


Great resource!!!

Thanks for posting, I will look more into this the coming summer.

Subscribed!  smile
Feb 23 13 05:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
udor
Posts: 21,784
New York, New York, US


double
Feb 23 13 05:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
MN camera
Posts: 1,860
Saint Paul, Minnesota, US


I've had a few bookings from CL myself.  The best one was for a location guide for a feature that was traveling the same route I had done as principal shooter for a documentary a few years before.

I just keep a skeptical eye.  If it's too...CL I pass it by.
Feb 23 13 05:52 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Studio Photography
Posts: 963
Santa Clara, California, US


Jouissance Images wrote:
Two many vice cops running stings on Craig's List for my taste. True, some of the same cops are on MM posing as models or photographers.

why would this be a problem? unless you are doing something illegal

Feb 23 13 03:41 pm  Link  Quote 
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