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Photographer
Rays Fine Art
Posts: 5,917
New York, New York, US


I had a couple of shots of men, headshots, commercial and nudes, for a while, but since I generally only do them only either as a favor or as professional pictures for actors, etc. I didn't find that they were of any real use to me. 

As others have said, A portfolio should represent both the skills and the interests of the photographer, not necessarily conform to some sort of "balance".    A baker of specialty breads would not put a wedding cake in his window, would he?  No point in wasting the space and/or alienating potential customers who would be disappointed when he told them that he doesn't do wedding cakes.

All IMHO as always, of course.
Feb 24 13 07:57 am  Link  Quote 
Model
M A U I
Posts: 1,587
Harare, Harare, Zimbabwe


Even I admit it. I'd prefer to shoot women over men if I was a photographer. I'd keep a 70:30 Female-Male ratio in my portfolio. If my profile was a sausage-fest, noobs would think I'm gay.
Feb 24 13 08:21 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Connor Robertson
Posts: 3
London, England, United Kingdom


Absolutely!
We love to be included!

C
Feb 24 13 08:24 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Richard Nolan
Posts: 112
London, England, United Kingdom


No.  A good MM portfolio should have good images...male, female, dog, cat, aardvark, I don't care...just good images please.
Feb 24 13 08:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,427
Cleveland, Ohio, US


shoot whatever, whomever your good at.
Feb 24 13 08:46 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,721
Los Angeles, California, US


Feb 24 13 03:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RONALD NZ TAN
Posts: 2,378
San Francisco, California, US


[Testing]

I replied using my other profile and my post didn't show up.

[Once I submitted this post, the reply I made with my other profile showed up].
Feb 24 13 03:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RONALD NZ TAN
Posts: 2,378
San Francisco, California, US


There's nothing wrong with being gay. I understand you don't want to be falsely preconceived for a sexual orientation you are not.

If you take a look at my SF profile dedicated to my personal work, you will clearly know which team I cheer for.

Sexuality is complex and people don't enjoy being boxed-in or labeled. I am certain with my team and I have no intention of cheering for anyone else. Case in point: I know of a photographer friend in Miami, Florida. He is straight and has a girlfriend. Some of his male images rivaled mine. Remember, I am gay and he's straight.

M A U I wrote:
Even I admit it. I'd prefer to shoot women over men if I was a photographer. I'd keep a 70:30 Female-Male ratio in my portfolio. If my profile was a sausage-fest, noobs would think I'm gay.

Feb 24 13 03:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
afplcc
Posts: 5,971
Fairfax, Virginia, US


The OP is based upon an erroneous assumption.  You could just as easily say:
--a good MM portfolio should include women
--a good MM portfolio should include glamour nudes
--a good MM portfolio should include environmental settings
--a good MM portfolio should include studio shots
--a good MM portfolio should include runway shots
--a good MM portfolio should include B&W (as well as color).
--a good MM portfolio should include pinup.
--a good MM portfolio should include vintage.
--a good MM portfolio should include boudoir.
--a good MM portfolio should include no repeats of the same model.
--a good MM portfolio should include a range of different lens.
--a good MM portfolio should include a range of different ages (prove you can work with models over 30 or over 40).
....and I'm sure I"ve left off 10-15 other requires for a "good" portfolio.

Bah!  I know a number of people (photographers and models) who have separate portfolios...one for their nude work, one for their fashion, etc.  Put good work in your portfolio that accurately represents your MM interest and focus.   That's sufficient.

Ed
Feb 24 13 04:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leonard Gee Photography
Posts: 16,035
Sacramento, California, US


I think all bad portfolios should include a few shots of cats.


Otherwise all the good portfolios should have whatever they want.
Feb 24 13 05:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julian W I L D E
Posts: 1,798
Los Angeles, California, US


Only if you enjoy shooting men and are "casting upon the waters" for that sort of thing.  Otherwise... what's the point?  ;-)

-JULIAN
Feb 24 13 05:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


Here's the point...

I'm simply not in a position to be turning down ANY paying gigs...(many of you clearly are!)...
I'm NOT a "well-to-do,in-demand,almost famous,specialist photographer...(many of
you clearly are!)...
I will accept a male models $$...or a clients $$ that needs photos of males for
their advirts...(many of you won't!)

Circulation of GQ,Esquire,Playboy,Maxim,FHM and other mens fashion mags exceeds
10 million copies PER MONTH...just in the USA.
Nearly 47% of those pages have ads featuring mens fashions and accessories!

I'm not suggesting my work is appearing in those mags...(I wish!)...I'm merely
pointing out the need for male models to have pro-level pix in their ports...
I have no prob supplying that service...They pay me well for it!
Feb 24 13 06:19 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photographe
Posts: 2,350
Bristol, England, United Kingdom


Male modelling in the UK is entirely different to female modelling, there isn't actually that much work and models need to travel to Milan or NY to beef up the income. It's more specialist and a much narrower market. Also I have no real skill with men, I have shot mostly female singers and beauty all my life.

Also, if limited to 15 shots, then secondary types of work take a back seat here on MM, men, still life etc is shown somewhere else.
Feb 24 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,073
Orlando, Florida, US


Jay Strange wrote:
Here's the point...

I'm simply not in a position to be turning down ANY paying gigs...(many of you clearly are!)...
I'm NOT a "well-to-do,in-demand,almost famous,specialist photographer...(many of
you clearly are!)...
I will accept a male models $$...or a clients $$ that needs photos of males for
their advirts...(many of you won't!)

Circulation of GQ,Esquire,Playboy,Maxim,FHM and other mens fashion mags exceeds
10 milloin copies PER MONTH...just in the USA.
Nearly 47% of the pages have ads featuring mens fashions and accessories!

I'm not suggesting my work is appearing in those mags...(I wish!)...I'm mearly
pointing out the need for male models to have pro-level pix in their ports...
I have no prob supplying that service...They pay me well for it!

Then what's the point of your thread?

Do what you want to do.  Everyone else will too.

Feb 24 13 06:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Chicchowmein
Posts: 14,348
Palm Beach, Florida, US


Jay Strange wrote:
Here's the point...

I'm simply not in a position to be turning down ANY paying gigs...(many of you clearly are!)...
I'm NOT a "well-to-do,in-demand,almost famous,specialist photographer...(many of
you clearly are!)...
I will accept a male llamas $$...or a clients $$ that needs photos of males for
their advirts...(many of you won't!)

Circulation of GQ,Esquire,Playboy,Maxim,FHM and other mens fashion mags exceeds
10 million copies PER MONTH...just in the USA.
Nearly 47% of those pages have ads featuring mens fashions and accessories!

I'm not suggesting my work is appearing in those mags...(I wish!)...I'm mearly
pointing out the need for male llamas to have pro-level pix in their ports...
I have no prob supplying that service...They pay me well for it!

And you're booking these well paying jobs shooting male llamas from MM?

I shoot males but I don't book the majority of my paying work from here so for me MM is for the shiggles.

Feb 24 13 06:37 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


No...I'm not booking from here on MM...I just joined last week...
And,
Yes,
many are here just for giggles I think...Giggles are good though!
Maybe I misunderstood exactly the purpose and value of MM?
From now on,I will try to be an argumentative,sarcastic,bastard...
MM is a funny place!
Feb 24 13 07:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,486
Houston, Texas, US


KonstantKarma wrote:
In my experience, male "models" on this site have no interest in posing for a photographer, only hitting on the female models.

Out of the 15 in my area, one agreed to work with me, and it only took a year after I sent the email.

My experience is the opposite. I find male models eager to shoot with me. Of course there are more than 15 in the Houston area. I have only had a couple flakes, one a travelling model who could not get a standby seat and a first timer who got cold feet on the way to the shoot. He called to say he was running late stuck in traffic. I said no hurry I will be here when you arrive. Then he musta got abducted by aliens as I never heard from him again.

I find male models to be by and large professional, and not temperamental at all.

Feb 24 13 07:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Srefis Limited
Posts: 960
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Nah, I've seen portfolios with nothing but men.

I've also seen portfolios of nothing but feet.

... Maybe mine will evolve to nothing but butts... lol. (No not really)
Feb 24 13 07:55 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Julian W I L D E
Posts: 1,798
Los Angeles, California, US


Jay Strange wrote:
When you walk into "Luigi's" there is an automatic understanding that they don't have sushi or fried catfish on the menu.
When someone is looking at your port for the first time,that same automatic understanding isn't there...I think.
I'll accept $150-$200 from anyone who needs a port update...male OR female.

I remember thinking the same thing.

But that was 3 or 4 Lifetimes ago.  ;-)

-JULIAN

Feb 24 13 08:01 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Stanley L Moore
Posts: 1,486
Houston, Texas, US


RNZTAN wrote:
There's nothing wrong with being gay. I understand you don't want to be falsely preconceived for a sexual orientation you are not.

If you take a look at my SF profile dedicated to my personal work, you will clearly know which team I cheer for.

Sexuality is complex and people don't enjoy being boxed-in or labeled. I am certain with my team and I have no intention of cheering for anyone else. Case in point: I know of a photographer friend in Miami, Florida. He is straight and has a girlfriend. Some of his male images rivaled mine. Remember, I am gay and he's straight.

I too am gay and shoot exclusively with men. But sex doesn't enter into the equation.
First of all most of them are straight. Only three or four in my port are gay.
Second of all the gay models are one half to one third of my age and not interested in older men.
Third of all I am happily partnered for the last 29 years.....he DID start out as a model back in 1984...
But I DO love to look  at and photograph a certain type of man. I think I know the Miami photographer you refer to and he is indeed a fantastic  lens man so the team one roots for is not that important. Though I doubt I could do photographic justice to the beautiful young ladies whom most of you all shoot with.

Feb 24 13 08:06 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
curiosa des yeux
Posts: 1,457
Seattle, Washington, US


I think a good MM portfolio should show both what you are capable of (skill level) and what inspires you. If I'm going to shoot for fun, I'll shoot what I'm naturally inspired by and I'll make no apologies for the fact that it is women.

I work with male models from time to time and have produced some pretty good work that has been well received by agencies, yet I'll admit that I have somewhat of a detective for hire approach to working with men. I'm not inspired by them, but I can be inspired by their money. In the words of Sam Spade:

" We didn't exactly believe your story, Miss O'Shaughnessy. We believed your 200 dollars. I mean, you paid us more than if you had been telling us the truth, and enough more to make it all right."
Feb 24 13 08:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,073
Orlando, Florida, US


Jay Strange wrote:
I'm kinda' new around here and my initial impression is that most
MM photographers have only female models in their ports....
Not ALL but,most...
I would agree that when a person mentions the word "model",
97% of people immediately think "female".
But,don't you think having a few token males in your port adds
balance and could be beneficial?

EDIT:Apologies...seems my use of the word "good" was mis-construed by some...It was never my intention to suggest that a port couldn't be Pro level quality and/or artistic
w/o pix of male models...Sorry.

Jay, the answer to your question is "yes".

All this other stuff is how the forums work here.  Otherwise, this would be a REALLY boring place to be.

Lighten up.

Feb 24 13 08:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
SME
Posts: 20,833
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US


I used to have male models in my portfolio, but I took them out for a few years because they didn't drive any interest.  I recently added a few back, since I'm specifically looking to book with male models again.  We'll see how it goes.
Feb 25 13 05:17 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


Hey good Egg...Yep,I think I got that finally...
Sort of a "let's fuck with the new guy" thing...

I'm a bit of a slow learner...ask ANY of my teacherz!!!
Feb 25 13 06:15 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shy L
Posts: 584
Burlington, Vermont, US


I think having at least one male model in a port is a good thing.  At the very least it shows that you can work with the different body type.  Male models are harder to come by, though.
Feb 25 13 08:50 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Image Works Photography
Posts: 2,890
Orlando, Florida, US


I strictly shoot female models. I have shot a male model at a local group shoot but it was as a favor and I emailed him the pictures. I never used them in my port. I can see commercial paid work doing some but not on my personal time. I am not the only one. You can look around in the ports and see 90 percent or more have all females in their ports. The market is not large for male models.
Feb 25 13 08:56 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,113
Tampa, Florida, US


Jay Strange wrote:
Here's the point...

I'm simply not in a position to be turning down ANY paying gigs...(many of you clearly are!)...
I'm NOT a "well-to-do,in-demand,almost famous,specialist photographer...(many of
you clearly are!)...
I will accept a male models $$...or a clients $$ that needs photos of males for
their advirts...(many of you won't!)

Circulation of GQ,Esquire,Playboy,Maxim,FHM and other mens fashion mags exceeds
10 million copies PER MONTH...just in the USA.
Nearly 47% of those pages have ads featuring mens fashions and accessories!

I'm not suggesting my work is appearing in those mags...(I wish!)...I'm merely
pointing out the need for male models to have pro-level pix in their ports...
I have no prob supplying that service...They pay me well for it!

I think you're making a false assumption here though. Just because a MM portfolio does not feature or include shots of male models doesn't mean that that photographer isn't or hasn't photographed male models...or been hired to shoot images with male models.

What's featured on MM is not the entirety of someone's work...only what they choose to present.

Feb 25 13 09:12 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Ronald N. Tan
Posts: 2,721
Los Angeles, California, US


Hi Stanley,

For the record and just in case to avoid misinterpretation from any new outside readers: sex does NOT come anywhere when I am at work. I refer to the sexuality, the attraction that you find the subject in front of you appealing and NOT the physical process of invoking the urges. In other words, work and pleasure do not mix. It is an ardent and strict rule of mine.

I am replying to your reply to mine. I replied to Maui that there is nothing wrong with being gay. He was worried that if he shoot guys, new people would think he was gay and he doesn't want room for misrepresentation.

That's all. I wanted to make sure. Because I am immensely proper and formal regarding things and topics of this sort.

Stanley L Moore wrote:

I too am gay and shoot exclusively with men. But sex doesn't enter into the equation.
First of all most of them are straight. Only three or four in my port are gay.
Second of all the gay models are one half to one third of my age and not interested in older men.
Third of all I am happily partnered for the last 29 years.....he DID start out as a model back in 1984...
But I DO love to look  at and photograph a certain type of man. I think I know the Miami photographer you refer to and he is indeed a fantastic  lens man so the team one roots for is not that important. Though I doubt I could do photographic justice to the beautiful young ladies whom most of you all shoot with.

Feb 25 13 09:19 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
David Garvey
Posts: 2
New York, New York, US


Sure, in lifestyle or advertising scenarios, but not really in fashion or editorial stuff.
Feb 25 13 09:24 am  Link  Quote 
Model
Dekilah
Posts: 4,859
Detroit, Michigan, US


I know a few photographers who have shot with me (I am a girl ^_~), and mostly women and who tell me that they want to shoot more guys, but have difficulty finding models because:

- most of the readily available ones are the boyfriends of the female models and they mainly want couples stuff

- the talented male models in the area tend to not be interested in TF (and are not interested in paying)

- the photographer is unsure if they can provide the male model with good photos as they are unsure if their shooting style will translate well to male model

There have been some that use the "I just not see the beauty in the male form..." line and I just shrug and say "to each their own."

But then I am told repeatedly by friends who shoot fetish and erotic (not porn, but erotic art type work) that there is a pretty big market for guy stuff. Not even necessarily gay, but I guess the equivalent to female glamour.
Feb 25 13 09:42 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


Hey Michael P.
You are correct...I already admitted to misunderstanding the dynamics, intents
and purposes of an MM port for most...
(I've only been here for 10 days...)
I'm starting to understand that many,many photogs consider this somewhat of a playground...and their ports are simply (in many cases) showcases for
"what they like to shoot."...
Feb 25 13 10:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carl Blum Photography
Posts: 544
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


no
Feb 25 13 10:31 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Decay of Memory
Posts: 571
Asheville, North Carolina, US


Jay Strange wrote:
(snip)
From now on,I will try to be an argumentative,sarcastic,bastard...
MM is a funny place!

And I thought that was what you were doing with your op. You're going to be hell on wheels when you really get going.

Feb 25 13 12:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jay Strange
Posts: 127
Tampa, Florida, US


That's funny!!!

Nope...last week,when I joined,I was naive and stupid...
Now,
I'm just stoopid!!!smile
Feb 25 13 07:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Model
Elizabeta Rosandic
Posts: 939
Santa Fe, New Mexico, US


IMHO, versatility is good and makes for a better portfolio. I'm an artist as well as a model, and I know for a fact that there's no way I'd be taken seriously in today's art world if I only made images depicting one gender. However, way too many people seem to view aesthetically pleasing art as what gets them horny.

I should also mention though that male nude models can be a little weird and difficult to work with, so I'm sure that makes a huge difference.
Feb 26 13 06:47 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Conrad Turner
Posts: 33
New York, New York, US


Neil Snape wrote:
Nothing against shooting males, but it's not what drives me.

To each his own.

+1

Feb 26 13 12:02 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
sospix
Posts: 21,105
Orlando, Florida, US


No, it should have more carz, bikes and dawgs  .  .  .  wink

SOS
Feb 26 13 12:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Nor-Cal Photography
Posts: 2,532
Walnut Creek, California, US


Elizabeta Rosandic wrote:
IMHO, versatility is good and makes for a better portfolio. I'm an artist as well as a model, and I know for a fact that there's no way I'd be taken seriously in today's art world if I only made images depicting one gender. However, way too many people seem to view aesthetically pleasing art as what gets them horny.

+1

I have 3 images of men in my portfolio.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100904/10/4c8281283713f_m.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100902/09/4c7fd3d3e65f4_m.jpg

and (warning - 18+)

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/pic/24208056

But just one worthless opinion.   smile

Feb 26 13 03:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
TomFRohwer
Posts: 577
Hamburg, Hamburg, Germany


Shouldn't a good MM Port include a few male models

A good MM portfolio should include well done photographs. Diversity is a plus but comes second.

Feb 26 13 04:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Wardrobe Stylist
Pretty Deadly Stylz
Posts: 559
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


I get paid to style both men and women, for the most part though people come to me to dress women.

There are some men in my portfolio, maybe not as many as a stylist may need, But I'm happy with my overall ratio of men/women.
Feb 26 13 04:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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