AdelaideJohn1967
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And at least our "democracy" has let him have his say. I kind of agree with a lot of the things Gert Wilders has to say about what's happening in other parts of the world.
Interesting article on cowardly attacks on his person, according to the Herald Sun.
To counter his appearance there is a so called "peace conference" in Melbourne but look what some of the speakers are saying when they attend.
The "chief guest" - Sheikh Abdur-Rahman Al-Sudais, imam of Mecca's Grand Mosque - has said of Jews: "The scum of the human race, the rats of the world, . . . the offspring of apes and pigs" whom God should "terminate".
I've checked what other invited speakers have said about killing gays, beating women to make them "shape up", executing apostates and supporting terrorists.
Has the world gone mental pandering to the religious while not giving the other side a chance to say what they want?
How can a so called peaceful religion condone beating people up and such?
AOP Studios
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And Christians are worst. Wanting to kill women and doctors who are involved with abortions, kill and persecute homosexuals and many people of color, and destroy and condemn any other religions not sanctioned by what they THINK their prophet Jesus may have said.
AdelaideJohn1967
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AOP Studios wrote: And Christians are worst. Wanting to kill women and doctors who are involved with abortions, kill and persecute homosexuals and many people of color, and destroy and condemn any other religions not sanctioned by what they THINK their prophet Jesus.
Hmmm, not much different.
Totally agree. Seems the way. But the muslims are way more vocal about who they want to kill and why. Howcome they don't get censured?
AOP Studios wrote: And Christians are worst. Wanting to kill women and doctors who are involved with abortions, kill and persecute homosexuals and many people of color, and destroy and condemn any other religions not sanctioned by what they THINK their prophet Jesus may have said.
Hmmm, not much different.
You let us know when you come on back down to reality. Hmmm-kay?
Many more Christians were burned at the stake, fed to wild animals, and torn apart in the games, than the total combined number of abortion doctors killed by lunatics, gays lynched by rednecks, or women inconvenienced by words.
The attitude you expressed is the one which cried "Witch!" in Salem and throughout Europe.
AOP Studios wrote: And Christians are worst. Wanting to kill women and doctors who are involved with abortions, kill and persecute homosexuals and many people of color, and destroy and condemn any other religions not sanctioned by what they THINK their prophet Jesus may have said.
Hmmm, not much different.
You have any cites to support this? What christian group has that as official policy as I know of none.
How many abortion Doc have been killed since Roe? I think it is two and in both cases the nuts that did it were denounced by christian leaders and most anti abortion groups. Compared to roughly 50MILLION US abortions.
Christians have tried to eradicate the Jews as well
the pendulum keeps swinging from attempts at total eradication to preferential treatment at the expense of other groups, to thoughts of total eradication again
my opinion on this? I think the whole "we're chosen" thing and inclusiveness just gets on everyone's nerves. The media concentration and investment banking concentration doesn't help, in a world so influenced by those two trades
but I also thinks its quite clever that the world is now so influenced by these things. Partially coincidence. I've learned a lot from the Rothschild's in days of olde
Many more Christians were burned at the stake, fed to wild animals, and torn apart in the games, than the total combined number of abortion doctors killed by lunatics, gays lynched by rednecks, or women inconvenienced by words.
The attitude you expressed is the one which cried "Witch!" in Salem and throughout Europe.
Not a Christian one.
The attitude you expressed is the one which cried "Witch!" in Salem and throughout Europe.
Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!!!!
Earth to SK - really dude try to stick to reality and if that's hard then at least be connected to the world the rest of us inhabit.
Virtual Studio wrote: The attitude you expressed is the one which cried "Witch!" in Salem and throughout Europe.
Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!!!!
Earth to SK - really dude try to stick to reality and if that's hard then at least be connected to the world the rest of us inhabit.
Earth to VS - really dude, you should get to know some actual Christians instead of the non-believers, like many here in SB, non-believers who go to church, for whatever reason, but they are not there because they believe.
Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!! Those who believe there is no God, otherwise how could they possibly commit such horrendous crimes?
Much like the atheists who've murdered a solid 200+ million during the last century alone...in the search for their people's paradise.
When comparing apples to apples it doesn't matter what you name them, they're apples.
Daniels Light
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Fort Lauderdale, Florida, US
SKPhoto wrote:
Earth to VS - really dude, you should get to know some actual Christians instead of the non-believers, like many here in SB, non-believers who go to church, for whatever reason, but they are not there because they believe.
Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!! Those who believe there is no God, otherwise how could they possibly commit such horrendous crimes?
Much like the atheists who've murdered a solid 200+ million during the last century alone...in the search for their people's paradise.
When comparing apples to apples it doesn't matter what you name them, they're apples.
Oh goody! Back to the numbers game ... "If my religion kills less than your non-religion, then I win ...."
Sorry, that means that Agnostics are on the most peaceful path. Then Buddhists.
Christians, Atheists, Muslims ... whatever ... they all need someone to hate to vindicate their beliefs. Agnostics - not so much.
Earth to VS - really dude, you should get to know some actual Christians instead of the non-believers, like many here in SB, non-believers who go to church, for whatever reason, but they are not there because they believe.
Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!! Those who believe there is no God, otherwise how could they possibly commit such horrendous crimes?
Much like the atheists who've murdered a solid 200+ million during the last century alone...in the search for their people's paradise.
When comparing apples to apples it doesn't matter what you name them, they're apples.
WW II was a Christian war. Hitler was a Christian and Germany was a Christian nation. Russia was a Christian nation. Most of the people who died in WW II died in Europe which is was a continent dominated by Christianity. Almost all people participating in the war were Christians. Most victims were Christians (Jews and Gypsies are an exception). Germans and Russians didn't turn into murderous atheists just for the war.
BTW, the number of victims of WW II is estimated at 60 million, not 200 million.
Digital Photo PLUS wrote: WW II was a Christian war. Hitler was a Christian and Germany was a Christian nation. Russia was a Christian nation.
That Hitler was a Christian is a position difficult to prove and easily refuted. Yes he was raised Catholic but did not believe its teachings as an adult.
"According to Max Domarus Hitler promoted the idea of God as the creator of Germany, but Hitler "was not a Christian in any accepted meaning of that word."[52] Domarus also points out that Hitler did not believe in organized religion and did not see himself as a religious reformer.[52] According to historian Laurence Rees, "Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."[53] Historian Richard Overy maintains that Hitler was not a "practising Christian," nor was he a "thorough atheist."[54] According to Robert S. Wistrich Hitler thought Christianity was finished but he did not want any direct confrontation for strategic reasons.[55] Samuel Koehne, a Research Fellow at the Alfred Deakin Research Institute, working on the official Nazi views on religion, answers the question Was Hitler a Christian? thus: "Emphatically not, if we consider Christianity in its traditional or orthodox form: Jesus as the son of God, dying for the redemption of the sins of all humankind. It is a nonsense to state that Hitler (or any of the Nazis) adhered to Christianity of this form."[56] Koehne says Hitler was probably not an atheist and refers to the fact that recent works have asserted that he was a deist.[56] Richard Evans concluded his statements on Hitler's religious views by suggesting that the gap between Hitler's public and private pronouncements was due to a desire not to cause a quarrel with the churches that might undermine national unity.[51]
Richard Steigmann-Gall argues that even after a rupture with institutional Christianity (which Steigmann-Gall dated to around 1937) Hitler continued to hold Jesus in high esteem, considering him to have been an Aryan fighter who struggled against Jewry.[57] In Hitler's view, Jesus' true Christian teachings had been corrupted by the Apostle Paul, who had transformed them into a kind of Jewish Bolshevism, which Hitler believed preached "the equality of all men amongst themselves, and their obedience to an only god. This is what caused the death of the Roman Empire."[58] Steigmann-Gall concluded Hitler was religious at least in the 1920s and early 1930s, citing him expressing a belief in God, divine providence, and Jesus as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[59] However, he admits that by holding this position he "argues against the consensus that Nazism as a whole was either unrelated to Christianity or actively opposed to it."[60]
...Many clergy were killed by the Nazis. In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland the persecution was most severe: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; 108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[75] Religious persecution was not confined to this region: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[75] The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.[75]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ … olf_Hitler
Now that may fit somepeople's definitions of being a christian but not anyone who is knowledgable. In short your assertation is wrong.
That Hitler was a Christian is a position difficult to prove and easily refuted. Yes he was raised Catholic but did not believe its teachings as an adult.
"According to Max Domarus Hitler promoted the idea of God as the creator of Germany, but Hitler "was not a Christian in any accepted meaning of that word."[52] Domarus also points out that Hitler did not believe in organized religion and did not see himself as a religious reformer.[52] According to historian Laurence Rees, "Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."[53] Historian Richard Overy maintains that Hitler was not a "practising Christian," nor was he a "thorough atheist."[54] According to Robert S. Wistrich Hitler thought Christianity was finished but he did not want any direct confrontation for strategic reasons.[55] Samuel Koehne, a Research Fellow at the Alfred Deakin Research Institute, working on the official Nazi views on religion, answers the question Was Hitler a Christian? thus: "Emphatically not, if we consider Christianity in its traditional or orthodox form: Jesus as the son of God, dying for the redemption of the sins of all humankind. It is a nonsense to state that Hitler (or any of the Nazis) adhered to Christianity of this form."[56] Koehne says Hitler was probably not an atheist and refers to the fact that recent works have asserted that he was a deist.[56] Richard Evans concluded his statements on Hitler's religious views by suggesting that the gap between Hitler's public and private pronouncements was due to a desire not to cause a quarrel with the churches that might undermine national unity.[51]
Richard Steigmann-Gall argues that even after a rupture with institutional Christianity (which Steigmann-Gall dated to around 1937) Hitler continued to hold Jesus in high esteem, considering him to have been an Aryan fighter who struggled against Jewry.[57] In Hitler's view, Jesus' true Christian teachings had been corrupted by the Apostle Paul, who had transformed them into a kind of Jewish Bolshevism, which Hitler believed preached "the equality of all men amongst themselves, and their obedience to an only god. This is what caused the death of the Roman Empire."[58] Steigmann-Gall concluded Hitler was religious at least in the 1920s and early 1930s, citing him expressing a belief in God, divine providence, and Jesus as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[59] However, he admits that by holding this position he "argues against the consensus that Nazism as a whole was either unrelated to Christianity or actively opposed to it."[60]
...Many clergy were killed by the Nazis. In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland the persecution was most severe: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; 108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[75] Religious persecution was not confined to this region: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[75] The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.[75]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ … olf_Hitler
Now that may fit somepeople's definitions of being a christian but not anyone who is knowledgable. In short your assertation is wrong.
religion and peace in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
Religion is about power at any price, usually to those on the lowest steps of the social ladder.
The OP may not be a student of history but there have been far more Christians killing Muslims then the reverse. here in the US. Hate groups like the Klan killed Jews and Blacks. Years past Pastors would openly talk about how evil Jews were.
Totally agree. Seems the way. But the muslims are way more vocal about who they want to kill and why. Howcome they don't get censured?
Actually, a more accurate comment would be that the Muslims like this get more press.
Things like this: http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2 … ain-a.html don't get much press, and neither does the fact that the most populous Islamic nation on Earth elected a moderate Muslim as President on an anti-terrorism platform.
The OP may not be a student of history but there have been far more Christians killing Muslims then the reverse. here in the US. Hate groups like the Klan killed Jews and Blacks. Years past Pastors would openly talk about how evil Jews were.
The Arab world and the Islamic world are not the same thing.
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Seems like they are more so than the United States....
lmao when are the americans going to realize who is really censored
you know how you watch TV alone and certain things are funny, but when you watch the same things with someone else you realize how awkward that same TV show is?
I took a muslim girl out to a friend's party and realized just how awkward Fox news and all the media outlets were
The Arab world and the Islamic world are not the same thing.
There is a difference between culture and faith. Islam is not anti-women and most Muslims don't hate Jews. At least the Jewish faith. Their problems are in some cases disputes over land. I would say that in large part the Arab world is the Islamic world. The OP is Islam isn't a faith of peace. I would counter that Christianity has not been for a lot longer. It was Christians who murdered the American Indians in this country and enslaved Blacks. It was Christians who were complicit in the mass murders of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals and the handicapped during Hitlers era. It was Christians who killed women and children in Salem. Part of why some Christians hate Jews is they blame them for the murder of Jesus.
SKPhoto wrote: Yes - damn those atheist witch burners!!! Those who believe there is no God, otherwise how could they possibly commit such horrendous crimes?
It's easy to kill if you believe in God and an afterlife. After all, you are not depriving the victim of much. He has infinitely more life after he's dead. That makes life in this world very cheap indeed.
Tony Lawrence wrote: I would say that in large part the Arab world is the Islamic world.
The great majority of Muslims are not Arab and do not live in the Middle-East. The Arab world is NOT the Islamic world. Not even close. The Arab world is a culture of tribal warfare and petty conflicts that have been solidified over thousands of years. The Islamic world is a diverse place spread across the world with the great majority being not interested in conflicts with anyone.
ElisAbEtH
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Charleston, West Virginia, US
You can find good people in every religion. Sad when people use religion as a crutch- so they don't have to be responsible for their actions... Oh God made me do it...
And just because someone claims to be something (christian, baptists, atheist, buddist, muslims etc) doesn't mean they are. I can claim to be anything, doesn't make it true...
The great majority of Muslims are not Arab and do not live in the Middle-East. The Arab world is NOT the Islamic world. Not even close. The Arab world is a culture of tribal warfare and petty conflicts that have been solidified over thousands of years. The Islamic world is a diverse place spread across the world with the great majority being not interested in conflicts with anyone.
http://www.everyculture.com/Africa-Midd … igion.html Countries in Africa are considered part of the Arab world and most that live there are Muslims. Based on the numbers alone there are more Asian Muslims. However who could argue with big Al. Expert on all things. I will agree that the vast majority of Muslims are not violent at least those I know.
AdelaideJohn1967 wrote: ...
How can a so called peaceful religion condone beating people up and such?
As long as part of religion is getting the common man to set aside reason those men will be at risk for manipulation by evil men.
It doesn't mean that religion has to be corrupt and violent - I think it just means that extra vigilance needs to be shown by the common man when listening to church leaders - regardless of religion.
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