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Samantha Kellyn
Posts: 7
Fort Wayne, Indiana, US


Are there any photographers out there that don't charge...I am  just wondering... I mean if the model is building his/her portfolio And the photographer is building his/her portfolio as well. It's like a mutual thing .., does any one do that ... Where it's just about the art of photography and not money.,. Jw...
Feb 26 13 10:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,636
Seattle, Washington, US


Samantha Kellyn wrote:
Are there any photographers out there that don't charge...I am  just wondering... I mean if the model is building his/her portfolio And the photographer is building his/her portfolio as well. It's like a mutual thing .., does any one do that ... Where it's just about the art of photography and not money.,. Jw...

Hi Jw,

Have you heard of TF shoots?

i have photographed over 160 different models here on model mayhem. all were TF shoots.

Feb 26 13 10:30 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shoreline Studio
Posts: 302
Sandusky, Ohio, US


Really, are you kidding? That is a large part of what this site is about.

The term is TFP - standing for Time For Prints (now really more time for a cd) - where both the photog and the model work on a shoot/project, and both get images to use.

What is shot, how many images you get, all that is worked out between the parties on a session to session and person to person basis.

Just check the pages of the photogs and models on Mayhem. If you want to work with someone and are unsure, email and ask. There are some photographers on Mayhem who only do paid work, but a lot willl do some TFP, and some will do TFP for about any model who is serious about doing a good shoot.

And some GWC (look it up) will shoot anyone (usually females) who will give them a show, lol. And to be honest, some GWC shoots come out really nice, and the images are well worth having in your book.

Good luck!
Feb 26 13 10:34 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jhono Bashian
Posts: 2,432
Cleveland, Ohio, US


I don't charge and I won't pay.  My time, gear, studio space and creative is a fair trade to any naked body in front on my camera taking directions!
Feb 26 13 10:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Albertex Photography
Posts: 15,246
Mansfield, Texas, US


Feb 26 13 11:32 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
GeM Photographic
Posts: 2,367
Chicago, Illinois, US


Samantha Kellyn wrote:
Are there any photographers out there that don't charge...I am  just wondering... I mean if the model is building his/her portfolio And the photographer is building his/her portfolio as well. It's like a mutual thing .., does any one do that ... Where it's just about the art of photography and not money.,. Jw...

Post a casting call looking for people willing to trade (TFP)

Feb 26 13 05:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
mark thirkill
Posts: 2
Corby, England, United Kingdom


I am always looking for male and female llamas to photography (TFP)
Feb 27 13 01:41 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Photo Bill
Posts: 275
Baltimore, Maryland, US


Samantha Kellyn wrote:
Are there any photographers out there that don't charge...I am  just wondering... I mean if the model is building his/her portfolio And the photographer is building his/her portfolio as well. It's like a mutual thing .., does any one do that ... Where it's just about the art of photography and not money.,. Jw...

I charge to shoot weddings and private parties but I never charge for a model.  Matter-a-fact if they are just starting out, I will give them gas money to help out. 

That is just the way I roll.

Feb 27 13 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Shot By Adam
Posts: 5,739
Las Vegas, Nevada, US


Most of my photos that have been published in magazines were as a result of a TF shoot.
Feb 27 13 02:52 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Pantaleoni Photographer
Posts: 77
San Diego, California, US


Ms. K:  You've been 'here' since October.  You have two pictures in your portfolio. 

I second and endorse you post a casting call saying, "I want to work!"  Pick something you'd like to do.  ("Looking to pose in the park."  "Let's go to a car wash."  "How about a picnic shoot...." )  Post that.

Find your local photo groups.  Go to your local art schools or Art Department of the local college(s).  Check Craig's List - or the Yellow Pages if there is still such a thing - and look for 'Art Schools' and any other category you can find.  Not EVERY Craig's List ad is for nude work.  (Well, I think that might be the case.)
  Look for a local model agency.  They might even give you some of the money they make for working.  National Association of Media Professionals.

Get a friend - get several! friends - to take pictures of you.  Get a boy and girl to take pictures of you and post and challenge us to tell which was shot by which.

Don't get discouraged.

Good luck.  Hope that helps.
Feb 27 13 03:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
S W I N S K E Y
Posts: 24,315
Saint Petersburg, Florida, US


Samantha Kellyn wrote:
Are there any photographers out there that don't charge...I am  just wondering... I mean if the model is building his/her portfolio And the photographer is building his/her portfolio as well. It's like a mutual thing .., does any one do that ... Where it's just about the art of photography and not money.,. Jw...

yes, all of them..

http://i.imgur.com/m8TQi.png

Feb 27 13 03:10 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jennifer Francesco
Posts: 1,869
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US


Jhono Bashian wrote:
I don't charge and I won't pay.  My time, gear, studio space and creative is a fair trade to any naked body in front on my camera taking directions!

Great port, but if I was a model, I wouldn't want to work with someone who just wants to see me naked..

Feb 27 13 03:12 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
M Pandolfo Photography
Posts: 12,116
Tampa, Florida, US


Jennifer Francesco  wrote:
Great port, but if I was a llama, I wouldn't want to work with someone who just wants to see me naked..

If I was a llama I wouldn't want to work with someone who didn't want to see me naked. But I have very low self-esteem.

Feb 27 13 03:24 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
afplcc
Posts: 5,998
Fairfax, Virginia, US


There are a lot of photographers (and models) willing to do TF.  But the key thing is:  it has to be something that is a win-win for both parties. 

I've had models who are new, aren't amazingly beautiful, and say "hey, let's shoot glamour TF...you provide the space, we'll shoot when it's convenient for me."  I've been shooting models for 30+ years.  There's no reason why this is a win for me.  Maybe if the model is amazingly beautiful or has a really unique look.  Or maybe if she's providing the space and it's cool space.  Or maybe if I want to try out a new lens or body.  Or maybe if she's willing to shoot something I want to shoot (like...artistic nudes....or a specific vintage concept....or an editorial concept that she has no interest in but really rings my bells).

There has to be a reason why a photographer would want to work with you.  No insult intended.  But think of a new photographer approaching an experienced model and effectively saying "give me a couple of hours of your time to shoot some concepts you have no interest in or you already have 2,000 shots of you with that theme and they may be of questionable quality b/c I'm not a veteran with years of experience doing this...deal?"

If you want to attract TF options than offer something that would entice photographers to work with you.  Maybe it's a really cool concept.  Maybe you research the photographer, find out what they want to shoot, and then pitch it as "I"ll pose for A if you shoot me for B" offer.  Or maybe find some really cool space that any photographer practically wets his/her pants to have an opportunity to shoot at/in.  But make it a win for the photographer and you'll get responses to a TF offer.

Ed
Feb 27 13 03:53 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Hedy Suder
Posts: 166
Hagerstown, Maryland, US


I do all tf
Feb 27 13 03:58 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,865
Upland, California, US


For the most part, it all depends upon your level of expertise.  Agency models and established professional photographers, more often than not, will expect to be paid.  Exceptions to that are the individuals in this category who are seeking out the established professionals on the other side of the fence, to create images of perfection for the benefit of both.  That's where TFP or TFCD usually steps in. 

On the other side of the coin, there's thousands of beginning, or wannabee models and amature and hobbiest photographers on this site, who are striving to include themselves within the ranks of those mentioned above. 

Unfortunately for many of these beginners and amatures, regardless of how hard they try, they will never achieve the level of expertise experienced by those who are established professionals and agency represented.  That's largely because either they don't have the potential, haven't marketed themselves in the right direction, or educated themselves on what it takes to succeed in the brick and mortar world of this industry... wink
Feb 27 13 05:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Good Egg Productions
Posts: 15,452
Orlando, Florida, US


S W I N S K E Y wrote:

yes, all of them..

+1

ALL photographers will do a trade shoot if it's something they want.
Even the ones who say they won't.

Feb 27 13 05:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Steve Lim
Posts: 63
Falls Church, Virginia, US


Good Egg Productions wrote:

+1

ALL photographers will do a trade shoot if it's something they want.
Even the ones who say they won't.

+1

Feb 27 13 05:45 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Carle Photography
Posts: 9,227
Oakland, California, US


The top 10% in any "industry" model or photographer does not need to pay or work for free they are in demand, and they have enough clients that will hire them to do what they like.

The bottom 10% in any "industry" model or photographer will be paying others to help learn, experience, study, and such. The students, newbies, and beginners.

The middle 80% all work together in trade for fun or to try to get into that top 10% tier.

At the end of the day it all shakes out.
Feb 27 13 05:46 pm  Link  Quote 
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